Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Saint]

It would be a critical first step and a turning point in upgrading the national culture. It would be cathartic to hear our leaders finally say something so simple and truthful that we all know - like a spell had been broken or something.

It absolutely would not. It would create more division for the nearly million Muslims in Australia.

It would embolden racists and spur attacks against Muslims, which are already too high.

And it would absolutely draw the rightful questions about the fact that many forms of Islam are more peaceful than many parts of Christianity and Judaism. If a Christian then attacks an Islamic gathering, do we then ban Christianity?

Singling out one broad religion as being problematic would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

 

[Bloods86]

It would be a critical first step and a turning point in upgrading the national culture. It would be cathartic to hear our leaders finally say something so simple and truthful that we all know - like a spell had been broken or something.

Fortunately, at least for the moment, our leaders appear to have more intelligence and a grasp on reality, than that.

 

[Hoop1888]

It absolutely would not. It would create more division for the nearly million Muslims in Australia.

It would embolden racists and spur attacks against Muslims, which are already too high.

And it would absolutely draw the rightful questions about the fact that many forms of Islam are more peaceful than many parts of Christianity and Judaism. If a Christian then attacks an Islamic gathering, do we then ban Christianity?

Singling out one broad religion as being problematic would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

He has to be on the wind up.

 

[nut]

there is nothing wrong with Australia's Immigration intake though.

there are plenty of law abiding Muslims that make Australia a better place, the problem is extremists. These extremists aren't exactly hiding and are the ones that need to be dealt with.

I know … I’m half immigrant

 

[Bloods86]

He has to be on the wind up.

As a former fundamentalist Christian from regional Aus, who was brought up to fear Muslims (among other minorities), I think it's probably a genuine view that many have, even if they aren't religious.

 

[T2B_]

Being piss weak and woke in the face of extremism is.

Oh dear, you were almost doing well.

 

[ElectricG]

It absolutely would not. It would create more division for the nearly million Muslims in Australia.

It would embolden racists and spur attacks against Muslims, which are already too high.

And it would absolutely draw the rightful questions about the fact that many forms of Islam are more peaceful than many parts of Christianity and Judaism. If a Christian then attacks an Islamic gathering, do we then ban Christianity?

Singling out one broad religion as being problematic would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Worrying about kicking the hornet’s nest is just justifying political cowardice. If there were any discernible pattern of Christians going and shooting up muslim gatherings, then that would absolutely be on Christians. It has happened once to my knowledge. Across the west we know what the pattern is - this type of activity comes overwhelmingly from one minority religion.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Oh dear, you were almost doing well.

to be fair and honest. i'm not at all concerned what your view is.

extremism is the problem, and needs to be addressed.

You disagree with that, cant help you much.

 

[faible]

It absolutely would not. It would create more division for the nearly million Muslims in Australia.

It would embolden racists and spur attacks against Muslims, which are already too high.

And it would absolutely draw the rightful questions about the fact that many forms of Islam are more peaceful than many parts of Christianity and Judaism. If a Christian then attacks an Islamic gathering, do we then ban Christianity?

Singling out one broad religion as being problematic would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

It would be a bit like blaming Judaism for the crimes committed by the state of Israel or the various terror attacks carried out by Zionist terrorists in the early parts of the 1900s. Most sensible people know that demonising Jews for the actions of a nominally Jewish nation state would be a stupid thing to do, but when applying the logic to Islam they're all lumped in as one homogenous group.

 

[Bloods86]

Worrying about kicking the hornet’s nest is just justifying political cowardice. If there were any discernible pattern of Christians going and shooting up muslim gatherings, then that would absolutely be on Christians. It has happened once to my knowledge. Across the west we know what the pattern is - this type of activity comes overwhelmingly from one minority religion.

It's nice to know you're fine with stoking tensions just so you can have your cathartic moment.

 

[the_interloper]

Thoughts about this take I read on Linkedin? I wonder what the victims would have thought of this as well as their families, also the people who had to witness this atrocity.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Do you differentiate between different branches of Islam? Or do you see it all as one monolithic structure?

I think the Islamic faith has overall had a net positive experience. I would argue that they definitely haven't overtaken what the Christians did in the early days of Colonial Australia and probably never will. And I'm not convinced their current influence is worse than current fringe branches of Christianity like The Saints or Exclusive Brethren.

One set of terrorists (and a relatively few others in the past 20 years) is not enough to convince me about a whole religion for either Islam or Christianity. I still view these outliers as outliers.

What do you think of what’s going on in Sudan?

 

[faible]

Worrying about kicking the hornet’s nest is just justifying political cowardice.

I'd have said state sanctioned division and hatred likely to lead to violence against a group of Australians is a bit different than the way you're framing it.

 

[Hoop1888]

As a former fundamentalist Christian from regional Aus, who was brought up to fear Muslims (among other minorities), I think it's probably a genuine view that many have, even if they aren't religious.

Here's a thought - why don't the West stop interfering in the Middle East, get out of their holy land in Saudi & see what happens. Only when wars/coups/despots are removed, we see an escalation of sectarianism between Sunnis and Shias Muslims and after the 1st Gulf War, the Kurds got massacred. We know it won't happen and we know why.

 

[Bloods86]

It would be a bit like blaming Judaism for the crimes committed by the state of Israel or the various terror attacks carried out by Zionist terrorists in the early parts of the 1900s. Most sensible people know that demonising Jews for the actions of a nominally Jewish nation state would be a stupid thing to do, but when applying the logic to Islam they're all lumped in as one homogenous group.

Or having a "Christianity is simply bad" campaign because of The Troubles, Yugoslav War crimes, African "Christian" militias, bombings and shootings carried out by professing Christians or touting Christian values, or what Christian nationalists are trying to do to democracies.

 

[Seeds]

It would be a critical first step and a turning point in upgrading the national culture. It would be cathartic to hear our leaders finally say something so simple and truthful that we all know - like a spell had been broken or something.

A turning point in upgrading the culture would be coming out and saying all religion is based off false beliefs and breeds intolerance and violence, mistreatment of women, interference with the scientific quest with truth and acceptance of the class system. Christianity is no different to islam. Its just that christianity in western countries is losing its influence to athiesm and has had to tone down its natural impulses. Now is the time for our leaders to further push a turn away from religion. Ending religious schools and subsidies for religions would be a start. We need our kids to spend 6 hours a day away from religion propoganda.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Worrying about kicking the hornet’s nest is just justifying political cowardice. If there were any discernible pattern of Christians going and shooting up muslim gatherings, then that would absolutely be on Christians. It has happened once to my knowledge. Across the west we know what the pattern is - this type of activity comes overwhelmingly from one minority religion.

Whenever Christians do horrible things, we see newscorp headlines like ‘nice family guy pushed to limit’ and interviews with his mates saying ‘he was a top bloke’ .

 

[The Punter]

A turning point in upgrading the culture would be coming out and saying all religion is based off false beliefs and breeds intolerance and violence, mistreatment of women, interference with the scientific quest with truth and acceptance of the class system. Christianity is no different to islam. Its just that christianity in western countries is losing its influence to athiesm and has had to tone down its natural impulses. Now is the time for our leaders to further push a turn away from religion. Ending religious schools and subsidies for religions would be a start. We need our kids to spend 6 hours a day away from religion propoganda.

"Love your neighbour as yourself."

The kids needs to hear that less.

 

[ElectricG]

It's nice to know you're fine with stoking tensions just so you can have your cathartic moment.

I mean, we’re happy to say “sexism is bad” or “racism is bad” without worrying about upsetting racists or the anticipated backlash. We are willing to have courage and be moral on those topics.

 

[faible]

"Love your neighbour as yourself."

The kids needs to hear that less.

Pretty sure you can hear good things from non-religious sources too, it's not as though religious folk have a monopoly on being decent humans.

 

[Bloods86]

Here's a thought - why don't the West stop interfering in the Middle East, get out of their holy land in Saudi & see what happens. Only when wars/coups/despots are removed, we see an escalation of sectarianism between Sunnis and Shias Muslims and after the 1st Gulf War, the Kurds got massacred. We know it won't happen and we know why.

I'd have to check, but violence committed by majority Christian countries, often based on dishonest indoctrination, simply can't be included in these sorts of discussions about how violent people of a particular religion are.

For reasons.

 

[faible]

I mean, we’re happy to say “sexism is bad” or “racism is bad” without worrying about upsetting racists or the anticipated backlash. We are willing to have courage and be moral on those topics.

Almost like sexism and racism aren't the same as an entire religion.

 

[Saint]

What do you think of what’s going on in Sudan?

A civil war, based, in part, on boundaries drawn by European powers. But mostly because of local warlords fighting for power.

Is it the only country to have had a civil war?

Sometimes I think Australians' luck at being born in a place without an independence fight means we just have no idea what the rest of the world is like.

 

[Bloods86]

I mean, we’re happy to say “sexism is bad” or “racism is bad” without worrying about upsetting racists or the anticipated backlash. We are willing to have courage and be moral on those topics.

The equivalent would be "Islamic terrorism/violence is bad".

But that isn't what you're arguing to be said, and you know it.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Richard Marles asked point blank if they need to do something more about Islamic hate speech by Muslim Clerics in the West of Sydney. Mumbles about the Nazi salute as if that means anything to this context and refuses to answer the question.

This is the fundamental flaw with Labor politics they cannot and will not act to protect Australians for fear of being considered "racist".

They are despicable, evil people.