Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[31550]

If the 3 cars FM mentioned were real the people in them might not have taken William, but maybe watchers.
Watching when they arrived, when they went out and what they were doing.
According to FM she saw the two cars hours before William disappeared.

So now it's not just 3 cars nobody but FM saw, but at least 4? If they were watchers, how and why did the abductor come to the house at exactly the right time? There was no sign of unsupervised children before William went round the corner. Not enough time for a watcher to contact a kidnapper to come to the scene with certainty of nabbing William unsupervised. What's the point of watchers if you are just going to drive up there at random anyway?
"According to the FM" is unfortunately not an immutable source of evidence. FM also said at one time, "They caught the guy and let him go!“ Why aren't police arresting "the guy“?

 

[passball]

So now it's not just 3 cars nobody but FM saw, but at least 4? If they were watchers, how and why did the abductor come to the house at exactly the right time? There was no sign of unsupervised children before William went round the corner. Not enough time for a watcher to contact a kidnapper to come to the scene with certainty of nabbing William unsupervised. What's the point of watchers if you are just going to drive up there at random anyway?
"According to the FM" is unfortunately not an immutable source of evidence. FM also said at one time, "They caught the guy and let him go!“ Why aren't police arresting "the guy“?

Who is the guy they caught?

 

[passball]

I still think it comes down to the photos. And why did FM say she took 3?
If there were no photos William could have 'disappeared' or ceased to exist anytime after McDonalds

 

[31550]

Who is the guy they caught?

Ask the FM. Those were her words.

 

[KEEP MOVING]

I still think it comes down to the photos. And why did FM say she took 3?
If there were no photos William could have 'disappeared' or ceased to exist anytime after McDonalds

I am still uncertain about photos but in my opinion everything in this disturbing case revolves around FM’s drive in FGM’s car and the deleted texts/phone calls between FM and FF. Didn’t the FM basically reveal the drive by accident then had to justify it, saying it was to look for William.
I firmly believe she contacted FF and drove to meet FF either where his business meeting was taking place at Lakewood, in a panic. Or arranged to meet him at BCR on his return to Kendal. In either instance it was for FF to dispose of a deceased William to a location somewhere further away from either location. He knew the dirt trails from trail biking on previous visits. More than likely he met FM at BCR as he probably knew an ideal spot to temporarily hide William ( from potential searchers) well out of site. He potentially drove faster and further than anyone would anticipate even though he had limited time frame, which would end up outside initial search area. This would also explain and tie in with FF leaving FGM property suspiciously at a very early time the following morning (after being strictly advised NOT to leave property without contacting authorities) to find an even more suitable permanent resting place for William where there was basically zero chance of him being found(much much further away from initial site, possibly down deep rock crevices, buried etc.) FF could have left very very early that morning well before sunlight and he did return looking quite exhausted didn’t he? From possibly carrying William much much further than anyone would predict, potentially digging grave, and we must remember his adrenaline fully pumping in fight/flight mode and both their careers, reputations and freedom at stake. You could cover a fair distance if your life depended on it. It seems we will never know what was on secretive messages deleted but it would explain EVERYTHING. If only the police/detectives demanded the handover of all phones/laptop/computers on the day. This is all based on the accidental death in fall from balcony of William through neglect and lack of supervision. And the sheer panic that followed that fateful morning. It also explains FF’s complete meltdown in bathroom (Ambulance called) as he had to quickly come to terms with everything that took place that day and how he was now suddenly involved in a extremely serious crime against someone (William) that he more than likely cared for a lot. All just my opinion only.

 

[passball]

I am still uncertain about photos but in my opinion everything in this disturbing case revolves around FM’s drive in FGM’s car and the deleted texts/phone calls between FM and FF. Didn’t the FM basically reveal the drive by accident then had to justify it, saying it was to look for William.
I firmly believe she contacted FF and drove to meet FF either where his business meeting was taking place at Lakewood, in a panic. Or arranged to meet him at BCR on his return to Kendal. In either instance it was for FF to dispose of a deceased William to a location somewhere further away from either location. He knew the dirt trails from trail biking on previous visits. More than likely he met FM at BCR as he probably knew an ideal spot to temporarily hide William ( from potential searchers) well out of site. He potentially drove faster and further than anyone would anticipate even though he had limited time frame, which would end up outside initial search area. This would also explain and tie in with FF leaving FGM property suspiciously at a very early time the following morning (after being strictly advised NOT to leave property without contacting authorities) to find an even more suitable permanent resting place for William where there was basically zero chance of him being found(much much further away from initial site, possibly down deep rock crevices, buried etc.) FF could have left very very early that morning well before sunlight and he did return looking quite exhausted didn’t he? From possibly carrying William much much further than anyone would predict, potentially digging grave, and we must remember his adrenaline fully pumping in fight/flight mode and both their careers, reputations and freedom at stake. You could cover a fair distance if your life depended on it. It seems we will never know what was on secretive messages deleted but it would explain EVERYTHING. If only the police/detectives demanded the handover of all phones/laptop/computers on the day. This is all based on the accidental death in fall from balcony of William through neglect and lack of supervision. And the sheer panic that followed that fateful morning. It also explains FF’s complete meltdown in bathroom (Ambulance called) as he had to quickly come to terms with everything that took place that day and how he was now suddenly involved in a extremely serious crime against someone (William) that he more than likely cared for a lot. All just my opinion only.

This makes complete sense.

Do you think William is still buried where he was put on the Saturday?
Could he have been moved again just before the FPs left Kendall? Taken to Sydney with them?

 

[KEEP MOVING]

This makes complete sense.

Do you think William is still buried where he was put on the Saturday?
Could he have been moved again just before the FPs left Kendall? Taken to Sydney with them?

I believe he is still where he was buried, not back in Sydney. But it’s just an opinion I’ve held for a long time after following this group for a long time

 

[passball]

I believe he is still where he was buried, not back in Sydney. But it’s just an opinion I’ve held for a long time after following this group for a long time

I mentioned Sydney as I think i read they did renovations at their forever home. Something about a concrete driveway, addition???
Then there were the blue barrells FF was selling on Marketplace or something similar

 

[KEEP MOVING]

I mentioned Sydney as I think i read they did renovations at their forever home. Something about a concrete driveway, addition???
Then there were the blue barrells FF was selling on Marketplace or something similar

Yeah no why would they do that. Added risk of prosecution. But like I said I’m just expressing an opinion I’ve held for a long time and I’m definitely not looking for any controversy. Just my take on things.

 

[Curious Clues]

I am still uncertain about photos but in my opinion everything in this disturbing case revolves around FM’s drive in FGM’s car and the deleted texts/phone calls between FM and FF. Didn’t the FM basically reveal the drive by accident then had to justify it, saying it was to look for William.
I firmly believe she contacted FF and drove to meet FF either where his business meeting was taking place at Lakewood, in a panic. Or arranged to meet him at BCR on his return to Kendal. In either instance it was for FF to dispose of a deceased William to a location somewhere further away from either location. He knew the dirt trails from trail biking on previous visits. More than likely he met FM at BCR as he probably knew an ideal spot to temporarily hide William ( from potential searchers) well out of site. He potentially drove faster and further than anyone would anticipate even though he had limited time frame, which would end up outside initial search area. This would also explain and tie in with FF leaving FGM property suspiciously at a very early time the following morning (after being strictly advised NOT to leave property without contacting authorities) to find an even more suitable permanent resting place for William where there was basically zero chance of him being found(much much further away from initial site, possibly down deep rock crevices, buried etc.) FF could have left very very early that morning well before sunlight and he did return looking quite exhausted didn’t he? From possibly carrying William much much further than anyone would predict, potentially digging grave, and we must remember his adrenaline fully pumping in fight/flight mode and both their careers, reputations and freedom at stake. You could cover a fair distance if your life depended on it. It seems we will never know what was on secretive messages deleted but it would explain EVERYTHING. If only the police/detectives demanded the handover of all phones/laptop/computers on the day. This is all based on the accidental death in fall from balcony of William through neglect and lack of supervision. And the sheer panic that followed that fateful morning. It also explains FF’s complete meltdown in bathroom (Ambulance called) as he had to quickly come to terms with everything that took place that day and how he was now suddenly involved in a extremely serious crime against someone (William) that he more than likely cared for a lot. All just my opinion only.

I think some of your theories could be possible. FF is one weird pos excuse for a man that’s for sure.
His behaviour and activities after William’s disappearance are not in keeping with parents of missing children.

 

[passball]

Yeah no why would they do that. Added risk of prosecution. But like I said I’m just expressing an opinion I’ve held for a long time and I’m definitely not looking for any controversy. Just my take on things.

Where did FF bury him?
The 1st time?
2nd?
Did a phone also get buried with William, another phone?
The FPs must be very confident that William will never be found where he lies.

I really don't understand how a mum, especially a working mum, wouldn't have their mobile phone on them.
Even in 2014 people had their phones attached to them.
That was how everyone knew about William missing in the first place and that's what brought people to the area.
For FM not to have used hers until the afternoon doesn't make sense.
I know it's said FM used FGM's landline until then but I question why.
Wasn't it also the day that Ben was supposed to be having a talk to someone about adoption?

Going by the timeline, when did FF bury William?
After the chemist and before picking up FGM's paper? Did he backtrack for the paper after hiding William?
Is that why he said he had to go home to the caller in the chemist?

FF said he ran the area for 40 mins. Was that a lie but also the truth?
Maybe ran for 40mins but not in the area of FGM's. Ran disposing of William?

These are a few things I have remembered as I was typing.

My post has so many questions

 

[Curious Clues]

Released or leaked. Unclear to me which.

There is also the radio call from Peter the truck driver which I think was aired a few days after the disappearance? The walkthrough was I believe the 17th? Not sure what day Peter went on air. I should have written this stuff down. ( So should SFR ).

IMO the police knew or thought the Big Dig would be futile or they would have ordered it themselves. It was only done on the coroners insistence. Perhaps she got the funding for it?

Peter Bashkurt called into the 2GB radio show on the 16th. FM did her walkthrough video on the 18th. Is it possible she or FGM were listening to the radio and heard Peter’s story?
FM is definitely a talker and a liar. we know that. I wonder if she has a long history of telling lies and it’s simply one of her personality traits or disorders. Maybe sometimes she takes it too far and lies about things she didn’t need to lie about. Her lies then evolve into complete mind fkery and that’s how she gets away with things.
IMO even though the FM’s timeline is vague and inconsistent, the drive she describes does not fit into her story where it’s supposed to go. She knows it doesn’t fit and that’s why she never spoke about it in media interviews and any other formal police interviews after the walkthrough video. Major miss there by early detectives and also not investigated by Jubelin. IMO

Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy

Superintendent Paul Fehon, gives an update on the search for three-year-old William Tyrell,…

www.2gb.com

 

[Jim Cricket]

I am still uncertain about photos but in my opinion everything in this disturbing case revolves around FM’s drive in FGM’s car and the deleted texts/phone calls between FM and FF. Didn’t the FM basically reveal the drive by accident then had to justify it, saying it was to look for William.
I firmly believe she contacted FF and drove to meet FF either where his business meeting was taking place at Lakewood, in a panic. Or arranged to meet him at BCR on his return to Kendal. In either instance it was for FF to dispose of a deceased William to a location somewhere further away from either location. He knew the dirt trails from trail biking on previous visits. More than likely he met FM at BCR as he probably knew an ideal spot to temporarily hide William ( from potential searchers) well out of site. He potentially drove faster and further than anyone would anticipate even though he had limited time frame, which would end up outside initial search area. This would also explain and tie in with FF leaving FGM property suspiciously at a very early time the following morning (after being strictly advised NOT to leave property without contacting authorities) to find an even more suitable permanent resting place for William where there was basically zero chance of him being found(much much further away from initial site, possibly down deep rock crevices, buried etc.) FF could have left very very early that morning well before sunlight and he did return looking quite exhausted didn’t he? From possibly carrying William much much further than anyone would predict, potentially digging grave, and we must remember his adrenaline fully pumping in fight/flight mode and both their careers, reputations and freedom at stake. You could cover a fair distance if your life depended on it. It seems we will never know what was on secretive messages deleted but it would explain EVERYTHING. If only the police/detectives demanded the handover of all phones/laptop/computers on the day. This is all based on the accidental death in fall from balcony of William through neglect and lack of supervision. And the sheer panic that followed that fateful morning. It also explains FF’s complete meltdown in bathroom (Ambulance called) as he had to quickly come to terms with everything that took place that day and how he was now suddenly involved in a extremely serious crime against someone (William) that he more than likely cared for a lot. All just my opinion only.

Why did FF have a limited time frame? This is the main area where your theory comes undone. There was no time frame, they just ring 000 when it's all done. It didn't need to be at 11am.

 

[Curious Clues]

Who is the guy they caught?

IMO FM was referring to the next guy Jubelin was gonna try and stitch up, Savage. But then her adoring bumbling cop got taken off the case and convicted of corruption.

 

[KEEP MOVING]

Why did FF have a limited time frame? This is the main area where your theory comes undone. There was no time frame, they just ring 000 when it's all done. It didn't need to be at 11am.

The limited time frame was on the day of Williams disappearance after FF and FM had arranged to meet after secret text messages/phone calll and explains her drive. The following day I agree he had unlimited time frame basically. FF could have left potentially somewhere between 2am and sunrise the following morning and until he was seen on his return I believe.
Like I said I’m just thinking of possible scenarios. FF and FM could have met somewhere entirely different. I’m just leaning towards where I said as FF knew that area better and knew he could access it the following morning on foot without drawing anyone’s attention (until he was seen returning and questioned).
Deleted texts and FM’s drive has to be linked. And the fake text ‘home in 5’ when really they had just been in each other’s company.
Also really strange they never answered the door to police at FGM house on night of Williams disappearance. Wouldn’t you be anxious and hopeful or them bringing you good news. If your child was genuinely missing in the wild. Unless you already knew otherwise. Just my opinion only.

 

[Wallace52]

A spokesperson for the NSW Coroner’s Court this month confirmed no date had been fixed for the findings, more than a year after the final evidence was heard.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/exdetective-slams-william-tyrrell-inquest-for-delivering-zero-after-years-of-delays/news-story/0f0747be788016374bef6ea2e92ae1a9

 

[31550]

Peter Bashkurt called into the 2GB radio show on the 16th. FM did her walkthrough video on the 18th. Is it possible she or FGM were listening to the radio and heard Peter’s story?
FM is definitely a talker and a liar. we know that. I wonder if she has a long history of telling lies and it’s simply one of her personality traits or disorders. Maybe sometimes she takes it too far and lies about things she didn’t need to lie about. Her lies then evolve into complete mind fkery and that’s how she gets away with things.
IMO even though the FM’s timeline is vague and inconsistent, the drive she describes does not fit into her story where it’s supposed to go. She knows it doesn’t fit and that’s why she never spoke about it in media interviews and any other formal police interviews after the walkthrough video. Major miss there by early detectives and also not investigated by Jubelin. IMO

Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy

Superintendent Paul Fehon, gives an update on the search for three-year-old William Tyrell,…

www.2gb.com

It's really poignant to listen to this entire interview with Paul Fehon again. To put it into context, it solidifies (what should have been) the turning point in the investigation. It was blatantly clear that William had not wandered off. No dog scent. Fehon says not just search dogs but also cadaver dogs! Police desperately appealing to the community to come forward with information about possible visitors to the community before 11am that morning. (Implicit in this is they would have to come by vehicle). Stresses how quiet and remote the location normally is. Stresses that nobody could have reasonably expected a young unsupervised child to be visible from the street. In other words, almost certainly human intervention. And highly unlikely to be opportunistic. Human intervention from someone with a vehicle who knew he was there. Fehon is obviously aware of this.

My question is whether SFR ever identified Peter's lady and/or the black Camry? Surely there weren't too many NSW registered Black Camrys in 2014 to look at?

 

[BFew]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/exdetective-slams-william-tyrrell-inquest-for-delivering-zero-after-years-of-delays/news-story/0f0747be788016374bef6ea2e92ae1a9

'Ex-detective slams William Tyrrell inquest for delivering ‘zero’ after years of delays'​

'December 28, 2025 - 10:01AM
...
A spokesperson for the NSW Coroner’s Court this month confirmed no date had been fixed for the findings, more than a year after the final evidence was heard.
...
Police in 2023 presented a brief of evidence to the NSW Director of Public Prosecutions recommending the foster mother be charged with perverting the course of justice and interfering with a corpse. But in May 2024 it was revealed investigators had asked for assessment of the brief by the DPP to be stalled until after the last inquest sitting dates in November and December 2024.
News.com.au understands consideration of the brief has still not resumed a year later.
...'

Go read the rest of the Jubelin rant/article today yourself.

 

[Curious Clues]

It's really poignant to listen to this entire interview with Paul Fehon again. To put it into context, it solidifies (what should have been) the turning point in the investigation. It was blatantly clear that William had not wandered off. No dog scent. Fehon says not just search dogs but also cadaver dogs! Police desperately appealing to the community to come forward with information about possible visitors to the community before 11am that morning. (Implicit in this is they would have to come by vehicle). Stresses how quiet and remote the location normally is. Stresses that nobody could have reasonably expected a young unsupervised child to be visible from the street. In other words, almost certainly human intervention. And highly unlikely to be opportunistic. Human intervention from someone with a vehicle who knew he was there. Fehon is obviously aware of this.

I agree, I think asking people to ask each other what they were doing on that Friday was a great idea too. Fehon sounds so sensible and methodical. It makes you wonder where the investigation went balls up. Personally I find it hard to read Fehon saying early on to media something about the parents (fosters) being good Christian people from a wealthy area of Sydney. Him saying goodbye to them in a carpark 7 days after William disappeared and the car not getting searched, or followed all the way to Sydney, flawed IMO considering all their odd behaviour and falling out with the FGM. If the fosters were battlers from West Sydney would they have been managed or looked at differently or properly even?

My question is whether SFR ever identified Peter's lady and/or the black Camry? Surely there weren't too many NSW registered Black Camrys in 2014 to look at?

Pretty sure they concluded the blond woman in the black car was the local postie.

 

[Leon Higgins]

Where did FF bury him?
The 1st time?
2nd?
Did a phone also get buried with William, another phone?
The FPs must be very confident that William will never be found where he lies.

I really don't understand how a mum, especially a working mum, wouldn't have their mobile phone on them.
Even in 2014 people had their phones attached to them.
That was how everyone knew about William missing in the first place and that's what brought people to the area.
For FM not to have used hers until the afternoon doesn't make sense.
I know it's said FM used FGM's landline until then but I question why.
Wasn't it also the day that Ben was supposed to be having a talk to someone about adoption?

Going by the timeline, when did FF bury William?
After the chemist and before picking up FGM's paper? Did he backtrack for the paper after hiding William?
Is that why he said he had to go home to the caller in the chemist?

FF said he ran the area for 40 mins. Was that a lie but also the truth?
Maybe ran for 40mins but not in the area of FGM's. Ran disposing of William?

These are a few things I have remembered as I was typing.

My post has so many questions

Replying from overseas in Northern hemisphere. I agree about the phone. Where exactly was she when the phone was turned off. When was the phone turned off. Answer those questions and you have a good chance of finding him imho.

Did the police get her phone records in the days prior to his disappearance?

 

[Underarrest_]

It's really poignant to listen to this entire interview with Paul Fehon again. To put it into context, it solidifies (what should have been) the turning point in the investigation. It was blatantly clear that William had not wandered off. No dog scent. Fehon says not just search dogs but also cadaver dogs! Police desperately appealing to the community to come forward with information about possible visitors to the community before 11am that morning. (Implicit in this is they would have to come by vehicle). Stresses how quiet and remote the location normally is. Stresses that nobody could have reasonably expected a young unsupervised child to be visible from the street. In other words, almost certainly human intervention. And highly unlikely to be opportunistic. Human intervention from someone with a vehicle who knew he was there. Fehon is obviously aware of this.

My question is whether SFR ever identified Peter's lady and/or the black Camry? Surely there weren't too many NSW registered Black Camrys in 2014 to look at?

Who owned the Camry and who owned the other vehicles seen by Peter including the black or maroon sedan travelling down Barter Creek road?
Have these people been found and eliminated?
Did they see the fosters in their travels? Did Peter see them? Did anyone see Peter?

 

[Underarrest_]

I don’t have much faith in the search dogs accuracy with the hundreds of people searching for William (even people who drove down from the Gold Coast.)
What a circus.

 

[Leon Higgins]

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...s/news-story/0f0747be788016374bef6ea2e92ae1a9


This is giving me some hope. Earls maybe the coroner is not laughing at me after all.

My prediction is that this will be finalised in February and charges will be placed by the DPP in March 2026.

For those who have worked out the puzzle will know why.

 

[Underarrest_]

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...s/news-story/0f0747be788016374bef6ea2e92ae1a9


This is giving me some hope. Earls maybe the coroner is not laughing at me after all.

My prediction is that this will be finalised in February and charges will be placed by the DPP in March 2026.

For those who have worked out the puzzle will know why.

It might make sense if the photos are out but still limited evidence to what happened after to William and finding him.

 

[passball]

Deleted.
Article already posted.

But still can't believe Jubelin has completely ruled FM out.
Has she got something over him or what?