Current Disappearance of 3yo William Tyrrell Pt 3 * Coroner's Hearings Concluded

[Kurve]

Continued from PART 2

Criminal charges:

• Apprehended Violence Orders on both (AVOs)
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster mother *Not Guilty
• Lying to the NSW Crime Commission on former foster father *Not Guilty
• 2 x charges of assault against a child on former foster mother *Guilty
• 1 x charge of assault against a child on former foster father *Not Guilty
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FF *Guilty Overturned on Appeal
• Stalking &/or Intimidation on FM *Guilty
• Dummy bidding real estate fraud *Guilty

TIMELINE

Where's William Tyrrell? - The Ch 10 podcast (under Coroner's subpoena)

Operation Arkstone

Please type names out in full for those who are not covered by suppression orders.

For those covered by suppression orders, please use the following to indicate:

WT - William Tyrrell
FM - Foster Mother
FF - Foster Father
FGM - Foster Grandmother
FD - Foster Daughter
FPs - Foster Parents

Up to you if you wish to refer to them as former fosters but please write it in full, strictly using the above. No deviations.

Other initials posters will use informally but should not are:

BCR - Batar Creek Road
FA - Frank Abbott
MW - Michelle White
SFR - Strike Force Rosann
AMS - Anne Maree Sharpley
CCR - Cobb and Co Road
GO - Geoff Owens
One even reduced bike riding to - BR
COG - Consciousness of guilt. Like WHO KNEW?

 

[KEEP MOVING]

I believe the night of Williams disappearance a police officer attended the FGM house and both FP refused to leave their bedroom and were not up to talking to police officer (might have been Wendy but I’m not sure). And I think FGM answered door. This is after ambulance was called earlier in afternoon/night to attend to FF. Do you remember that bit!
You seem offended by my opinion which was not intentional. I believe the deleted texts and possible phone contact between FM and FF are related to the FM driving FGM car somewhere that morning or mid morning. That’s what I THINK. I am not stating facts. As there are very little facts in this case. And I never said FF drove anywhere the next day. I believe he left early that following morning on foot to relocate poor William to a further destination. It is purely a theory and definitely not fact. You seem very defensive which makes me wonder if you know foster parents or their associates.

And the reason I believe time was limited that morning was working from the 9.37am last photo (proof of life) apparently. And FF work conference calls in Lakewood. I’m not sure myself whether FM drove to meet FF somewhere near Lakewood or BCR or somewhere in between. Simply don’t know. But I believe she did drive FGM car that morning and that she did meet up very very briefly with FF in an extreme state of panic after a fatal incident took place that morning. And I never said FF was the main suspect but I believe he involuntary involved himself due to circumstances. Just my opinion only.

 

[KEEP MOVING]

What, they couldn't put the body in the lower parking area under the house where he allegedly fell or somewhere else until Spedding left? If I'm an evil genius I'm going to do things methodically, not rush it.


Not offended by your opinion at all, I just don't see that it makes sense. You're entitled to it though. The one thing I agree with is that there are very few publicly known facts, so how come people here and elsewhere have made up their minds? The Vibe? The cops desperately trying to charge SOMEONE with a crime so that they can get a pat on the back? If defensive means I have no opinion on who did what then charge me, I'm guilty. If you can find anywhere I've said she didn't do it charge me for that as well. I've seen this crap about "you must know the foster parents" before and it's lame as hell.

Who took William then?

 

[KEEP MOVING]

What, they couldn't put the body in the lower parking area under the house where he allegedly fell or somewhere else until Spedding left? If I'm an evil genius I'm going to do things methodically, not rush it.


Not offended by your opinion at all, I just don't see that it makes sense. You're entitled to it though. The one thing I agree with is that there are very few publicly known facts, so how come people here and elsewhere have made up their minds? The Vibe? The cops desperately trying to charge SOMEONE with a crime so that they can get a pat on the back? If defensive means I have no opinion on who did what then charge me, I'm guilty. If you can find anywhere I've said she didn't do it charge me for that as well. I've seen this crap about "you must know the foster parents" before and it's lame as hell.

So you’re saying you don’t have an opinion on what happened and you never said FM didn’t do anything. I guess I just want to know what do you believe happened in the disappearance of William.

 

[passball]

Who took William then?

Spedding wasn't there that day.
He's a rich man because of it

 

[passball]

I feel someone else was involved in this, maybe someone helped the FPs.
Does anyone else think this?

 

[Curious Clues]

But they could have rung the cops at any time they liked once everything was done and dusted on the day William disappeared, it didn't need to be at 11am or even that day. There was no rush. Is there evidence that there were multiple deleted texts? I've seen it in here from the usual people but the only text I know of that was deleted was the home in 5 minutes text. AFAIK the FM told the cops and they've known of this deleted text since early on so there's not much suspicious about it and there was still a copy on FF's phone - we haven't been told his copy was deleted as well, or any of his messages, and I'm sure the cops would love to have made that public if it happened. If FF had taken the car out the next day I'm sure the cops know about it but I don't think he would have because William would have been found if he was wandering the streets still, and FF would probably be a suspect instead of being cleared if he drove somewhere. He was cleared because we know the FM was the only suspect according to the cops, although that may have changed yet again.

Never answered the door for the cops on the night? Another first for me.

FM drove to the airport without police knowing. They just did what they wanted. There was no regular welfare checks on them throughout the first night and following morning so they could have done anything. Were they watched, followed, bugged in Kendall? Doubt it. You can’t just assume the cops would have known if the FF drove out or not that first night. Did they note both cars kilometres on day 1? Probably not.

 

[Wallace52]

I feel someone else was involved in this, maybe someone helped the FPs.
Does anyone else think this?

Just the FGM. That’s why she wasn’t interviewed at inquest; she knew too much. IMO

 

[Leon Higgins]

Who took William then?

The imaginary people in the imaginary car or possibly anyone else, who to their misfortune worked or lived near the FGM house.

The finger pointing began immediately after the disappearance. Very odd for a child who at that stage had wandered off.

One thing is becoming clearer by the day, an open finding would have happened by now. The police have not publicly cleared the foster mother. The DPP is still considering charges.

 

[Leon Higgins]

I feel someone else was involved in this, maybe someone helped the FPs.
Does anyone else think this?

Yes. The FGM.

 

[Wallace52]

The imaginary people in the imaginary car or possibly anyone else, who to their misfortune worked or lived near the FGM house.

The finger pointing began immediately after the disappearance. Very odd for a child who at that stage had wandered off.

One thing is becoming clearer by the day, an open finding would have happened by now. The police have not publicly cleared the foster mother. The DPP is still considering charges.

I hope you’re right.

 

[31550]

Maybe they did have to rush. They had no idea if Spedding was going to just rock up at any time with the parts for the washing machine.
FM deleted ALL her text messages before handing her phone to police. It’s spoken about in her 2016 police interview with Jubelin. She just fobbed it off as something she always did and Jubelin accepted it. According to FM it’s completely normal to read a text from your husband while frantically searching for your missing child and stop to take the time to delete it. She’s got an answer for everything.

Is there another FM statement made in 2016? I am only aware of the one made in March 2015 (signed in April 2015). There is no reference to deleted text messages in the 2015 statement (that I can recall).

I believe she may have been questioned about deleted text messages (among other things) in her NSWCC interview, but I don't see that any transcripts from NSWCC have ever been publicly released.

I am not sure that FM ever handed her phone to the police. She says that police took 'everything' a few days after William's disappearance, but there is no evidence of this. They did at some time retrieve some of her phone records for inclusion in the 2015 statement, but I don't believe there is evidence that they confiscated or forensically examined the phone (or any other phone or device). Not saying it wasn't done - just that there is no public record of it, to my knowledge.

 

[31550]

Spedding wasn't there that day.
He's a rich man because of it

He might be financially better off than before, but I don't believe that makes up for what he was put through. IMO.

 

[winyhill]

I still think it comes down to the photos. And why did FM say she took 3?
If there were no photos William could have 'disappeared' or ceased to exist anytime after McDonalds

I think there is a misconception that the coroner released all the photos that were taken that morning. I am sure I remember from the transcript of the very early coroner's hearing that there were many more photos taken that morning. The coroner released five to the public. But Police and the coroner have access to all of them and they have not been released.

 

[31550]

I think there is a misconception that the coroner released all the photos that were taken that morning. I am sure I remember from the transcript of the very early coroner's hearing that there were many more photos taken that morning. The coroner released five to the public. But Police and the coroner have access to all of them and they have not been released.

That's not exactly my understanding. The coroner released a number of redacted photographs (might have been 5), and received a 'black book' of many more photographs (taken at various times) from the FM in 2020. But I have never heard of more than 5 photographs being taken on the morning of William's disappearance.

 

[winyhill]

I really don't understand how a mum, especially a working mum, wouldn't have their mobile phone on them.
Even in 2014 people had their phones attached to them.

Reception issues at the house explains that. I know where I live I have no mobile reception. Only wireless calling at the house and immediate garden area through starlink. So phone stays on bench in house and only picked up when I come in to check for missed calls.
I never carry phone phone around outside. Waste of time.

 

[LRitz]

Spedding wasn't there that day.
He's a rich man because of it

He might be financially better off than before, but I don't believe that makes up for what he was put through. IMO.

Public arrest. His name and photos in the media. Disregard of his family. And imagine what it did to his business.

They didn't care.

Take away what he lost in income and he really didn't get that much.

 

[winyhill]

Public arrest. His name and photos in the media. Disregard of his family. And imagine what it did to his business.

They didn't care.

Take away what he lost in income and he really didn't get that much.

So right, what they did to him was unforgivable. NSW Police at their finest.

 

[LRitz]

So right, what they did to him was unforgivable. NSW Police at their finest.

Maybe the photos that should be removed from media are those of repair man and neighbour.

 

[31550]

Maybe the photos that should be removed from media are those of repair man and neighbour.

Shows the influence of media on public opinion. Also the power of suppression orders, and the advantages provided by suppression orders to those fortunate enough or powerful enough to obtain them.

There was no need for the police to go as public as they did with Spedding, e.g. tipping off the media when they raided his home so that everything was caught on camera. Furthermore accusations (unproven) of previous criminal involvement were spread around widely as though they were proven offences.

Conversely, other people connected with this case are heavily protected so that their names, images, and whereabouts are largely unknown. Even though there doesn't seem to be a need for this any more.

How might public opinions have differed if these suppression orders were never in place? What if there were previous accusations or secrets (proven or unproven) spread about these other people also?

 

[Curious Clues]

Is there another FM statement made in 2016? I am only aware of the one made in March 2015 (signed in April 2015). There is no reference to deleted text messages in the 2015 statement (that I can recall).

I believe she may have been questioned about deleted text messages (among other things) in her NSWCC interview, but I don't see that any transcripts from NSWCC have ever been publicly released.

I am not sure that FM ever handed her phone to the police. She says that police took 'everything' a few days after William's disappearance, but there is no evidence of this. They did at some time retrieve some of her phone records for inclusion in the 2015 statement, but I don't believe there is evidence that they confiscated or forensically examined the phone (or any other phone or device). Not saying it wasn't done - just that there is no public record of it, to my knowledge.

Yes, the incompetent interview Jubelin did with FM in 2016 that I’m sure he hopes will never see the light of day.
I would be surprised if they did do a download of their phones and devices, but if they did it was perhaps not done properly.

 

[Wallace52]

Yes, the incompetent interview Jubelin did with FM in 2016 that I’m sure he hopes will never see the light of day.

I’m pretty sure Candace Sutton has published some of it. BBM.

I would be surprised if they did do a download of their phones and devices, but if they did it was perhaps not done properly.

 

[passball]

Yes, the incompetent interview Jubelin did with FM in 2016 that I’m sure he hopes will never see the light of day.
I would be surprised if they did do a download of their phones and devices, but if they did it was perhaps not done properly.

What's stopping the release of the FM walkthrough?
Why is she still protected? Why her?

 

[31550]

Yes, the incompetent interview Jubelin did with FM in 2016 that I’m sure he hopes will never see the light of day.
I would be surprised if they did do a download of their phones and devices, but if they did it was perhaps not done properly.

Oh yes, the 'grilling'. I prefer to refer to that as more of a 'fondue party'. No transcript appears to be available.

 

[passball]

Yes. The FGM.

Im thinking someone else.
Who took a phone call at the Tennis Club after 9.37 and before the 000 call?
Who was in charge of getting footage from CCTV?
Who had also known FGM a long time?
Just putting it out there.

Edit. I think the FGM knew what happened

 

[Curious Clues]

Oh yes, the 'grilling'. I prefer to refer to that as more of a 'fondue party'. No transcript appears to be available.

The FF’s interview transcript was leaked to the public and reliable sources have revealed information about the FM’s interview to me. It’s so obvious that Jubelin’s consistent interruptions and change of topic at critical moments were done purposely. A corrupt lead detective left unsupervised and unchallenged for 4 years was one of the major problems of this case.