Is it time for another SCG upgrade or a Perth stadium like stadium built in Sydney

[kranger]

The SCG maybe a good cricket stadium, personally I’d have Adelaide as the best.

Optus and the MCG are both so big with such long boundaries that square of the wicket you feel like you’re a mile away. Brisbane well that’s about to be torn down.

I really don’t think another stadium like Optus or the MCG suits the sport of cricket or serves the needs of the game.

The designers for the new Brisbane Stadium have been announced as the same designers of Perth Stadium. And the concept images they released with that announcement use the same structure and seating bowl as Perth Stadium, with only some aesthetics alterations (such as exterior cladding being removed).

So looks like Brisbane will likely be the same as Perth and Melbourne.

 

[Jack Mundy]

A redevelopment of all those aging '80's stands are absolutely necessary for the SCG. The queues just to get a drink or food in those stands are ridiculous and the corporate facilities dowdy and hopelessly inadequate for today's standards. Their are more (and far superior in quality) corporate facilities in Australia's most picturesque oval, Adelaide, and of course there are far more such facilities still in Perth and the MCG - with a $2 billion new Shane Warne Stand in the offing and, of course, the brand new Brisbane Stadium coming on-line in the early 2030's.

For decades, right up to when the "new" Adelaide Oval was completed, the SCG was, by capacity, Australia's second largest cricket stadium - in fact, go back far enough in history, it was, by capacity, Australia's largest stadium outright for some 40 years from when the Hill was constructed in c1884.

Sydney's historic cricket ground, with its twolovely old 19th century relics sadly offset by those badly aging 1980's stands, risks being consigned to that of a secondary cricket stadium compared to all the other mainland capitals, if it doesn't make a serious effort to update it's inadequate facilities - both corporate and general public. It can still keep the two old stands, but as for the rest (excluding the new members stand), it's surely time for them to go.

Scg low on pecking order in Sydney. Much larger oval shaped venue better located at Homebush and used far more frequently. The adjoining football stadium is also favoured for large events like concerts. Vested interests talking very dramatically but they don't have best interest of public at heart. Fortunately nothing will happen for a while.

 

[Bjo187]

Poms like shit small stadiums with multiple stands and low capacity, it's what they have in England.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Scg low on pecking order in Sydney. Much larger oval shaped venue better located at Homebush and used far more frequently. The adjoining football stadium is also favoured for large events like concerts. Vested interests talking very dramatically but they don't have best interest of public at heart. Fortunately nothing will happen for a while.

Well, I suppose you can suggest to Cricket NSW and Cricket Australia to have future Sydney tests played at Homebush and let the SCG rot away.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Well, I suppose you can suggest to Cricket NSW and Cricket Australia to have future Sydney tests played at Homebush and let the SCG rot away.

Dramatic

The designers for the new Brisbane Stadium have been announced as the same designers of Perth Stadium. And the concept images they released with that announcement use the same structure and seating bowl as Perth Stadium, with only some aesthetics alterations (such as exterior cladding being removed).

So looks like Brisbane will likely be the same as Perth and Melbourne.

Can't wait till my city has it's mini replica of Brisbane Stadium based on Perth Stadium based off MCG.

 

[RedV3x]

Upgrades are about money.

Really ? Upgrades are about money, economics, politics, demand, capacity, design, location, image and return.

I've been attending sporting events for a long time and for all the new stadiums the plastic seats I sat in at the beginning are pretty much the same as the new ones.

I've been attending sporting events for a long time and they at best, had a few uncomfortable wooden bench seats.

Don't think your comfort is anybody's priority.

Are you joking ?
The general pursuit over the years is to install seating, plastic seating but even that seating has evolved.
Subiaco had plastic seating with no backing. Plastic seating has evolved from rigid to spring loaded to assist isle passageways and reduce the effect of rain.
The width and depth of seating has increased to improve comfort.

Significance of a site is connected to it's location.

Yes, it should be readily accessible.

The members stand has provided a backdrop to Trumper and Bradman playing tests.

and they can be a backdrop to North Sydney Oval

Move the structures which I imagine would be

relatively simple as it's timber and iron mainly. They had no problem with moving earlier stands to North Sydney Oval.

Some people wanted to bulldoze the rocks while the Queen Victoria building was slated for demolition.

But not to replace it with a stadium - huh.

History resonants with some more than others.

Yes, that's why I suggest preserving it at North Sydney Oval.

Don't think many visitors at the scg this week looked at

the latest stadium and thought it actually enhanced the atmosphere.
Look, the solution is simple - build an AFL stadium.
The WACA wanted NO PART of the new Perth Stadium but now cricket bows to money pressures rather than traditional pressures, which is strange because there's nothing historically startling at the WACA.

 

[kalex6251]

could you imagine the unhinged reaction from the likes of jim maxwell if this ground was ever brought into the 21st century - the guy would would be on permanent watch for a cardiac episode brought on by grief

 

[Fire]

I don't get how a swans fan wouldn't want their own old and run down stadium redeveloped, but then is more than happy for Parramatta and sfs to be built with barely any crowds attending.

Yeah it's weird that they are arguing so passionately over such weak and easy to refute points.

Very weird.

 

[hampton]

Not everything has to be a big soulless bowl. SCG could use some upgrades but changing the character of the ground in particular by removing the historical stands would be something all Sydney-siders would be against.

 

[Billy ray]

I couldn’t care less about it other than i want the camera level higher than 4m above ground level for footy

 

[RedV3x]

Not everything has to be a big soulless bowl.

Not everything is a big soulless bowl.

SCG could use some upgrades

The SCG is a mess of inconsistent upgrades.

but changing the character of the ground in particular by removing the historical stands

Well the old stands have character and for that reason they would be better placed at North Sydney Oval
instead of that "character" being corrupted by modern demands of comfort, convenience and capacity.

would be something all Sydney-siders would be against.

No You cestroy any credibility with hyperbole.
The solution to all those cricket lovers is to build a large capacity AFL standard stadium.
Now, if you don't want to expend the money on a new standalone stadium
and you still want enough seats the average punter to be able to go to elite cricket
then you'll just have t0 put up with that shyte collection of odd stadia.

 

[hampton]

The SCG is a mess of inconsistent upgrades.

The scg is an amazing stadium with rich history across multiple sports worth preserving.

Well the old stands have character and for that reason they would be better placed at North Sydney Oval
instead of that "character" being corrupted by modern demands of comfort, convenience and capacity.

You can’t just move old historic stands to a new location, not without spending hundreds of millions of dollars. What you’re suggesting is not a realistic possibility.

The scg can be upgraded as needed like many grounds in the world are upgraded.

No You cestroy any credibility with hyperbole.
The solution to all those cricket lovers is to build a large capacity AFL standard stadium.
Now, if you don't want to expend the money on a new standalone stadium
and you still want enough seats the average punter to be able to go to elite cricket
then you'll just have t0 put up with that shyte collection of odd stadia.

Wanting to keep the historical stands at the scg is hardly “hyperbole”. The swans can either get some upgrades at the scg as needed (best option) or move to Accor to play out of a more modern stadium (crap approach). There is no other option. Why would the nsw government pay for a brand new oval or a complete demolition rebuild of the scg when Accor exists and is available to be used by the swans, like it is for other sport competitions?

You keep talking about multipurpose stadiums, well there already is one in Sydney, made multipurpose specifically at the request of the afl/swans, just the swans don’t want to use it.

 

[Jack Mundy]

The scg is an amazing stadium with rich history across multiple sports worth preserving.

You can’t just move old historic stands to a new location, not without spending hundreds of millions of dollars. What you’re suggesting is not a realistic possibility.

The scg can be upgraded as needed like many grounds in the world are upgraded.

Wanting to keep the historical stands at the scg is hardly “hyperbole”. The swans can either get some upgrades at the scg as needed (best option) or move to Accor to play out of a more modern stadium (crap approach). There is no other option.

Don't waste your time. That guy just keeps repeating same points.

 

[Jack Mundy]

 

[RedV3x]

The scg is an amazing stadium with rich history across multiple sports worth preserving.

But it hasn't been preserved has it. Only two stands remain.

You can’t just move old historic stands to a new location,

They did it previously.

The scg can be upgraded as needed like many grounds in the world are upgraded.

The SCG cannot be meaningfully upgraded to any large degree.
without further impinging on it's character.
Tell me that the Northern Stand isn't the ugliest stand you've ever seen.

Wanting to keep the historical stands at the scg is hardly “hyperbole”.

FFS stop with this childish distraction
You said "would be something all Sydney-siders would be against"
That's the hyperbole.

The swans can either get some upgrades at the scg as needed

Further destroying the character of the SCG which cricket lovers would oppose.

There is no other option.

In your mind only.

Why would the nsw government pay for a

because they have an extremely poor record when it comes to decision making.

You keep talking about multipurpose stadiums, well there already is one in Sydney,

Are you talking about Homebush, because it doesn't function as a multi-purpose stadium due to some extremely poor design features otherwise the Giants would be using it.

made multipurpose specifically at the request of the afl/swans, just the swans don’t want to use it.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
The Olympic Stadium was created for the Olympics.
" In 1994 the New South Wales Government issued a general invitation for expressions of interest in financing, designing, constructing and operating a stadium at Homebush Bay suitable for the purposes of the 2000 Olympics and in the long term for rugby league and soccer" No mention of AFL in the official tendering and financing documents.

 

[hampton]

But it hasn't been preserved has it. Only two stands remain.

So if we can’t keep all the history we should blow up what remains? It still maintains a character and charm that we should look to preserve.

They did it previously.

Where?

The SCG cannot be meaningfully upgraded to any large degree.
without further impinging on it's character.
Tell me that the Northern Stand isn't the ugliest stand you've ever seen.

Yes ofcourse it can be upgraded, they can keep the two old stands and the newer stands and rebuild the other one, also they can improve amenities and seats. The can change the facade. They can add corporate facilities and change the AV setup. There’s a heck of lot they can do.

FFS stop with this childish distraction
You said "would be something all Sydney-siders would be against"
That's the hyperbole.

I don’t think it’s a stretch that most Sydney sport lovers would not want to see the scg torn down. what you’re saying is the extreme view (tear it down or abandon the scg). We already went through this a decade ago when the swans organisation and members wanted to leave Accor and play all games at the SCG.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
The Olympic Stadium was created for the Olympics.
" In 1994 the New South Wales Government issued a general invitation for expressions of interest in financing, designing, constructing and operating a stadium at Homebush Bay suitable for the purposes of the 2000 Olympics and in the long term for rugby league and soccer" No mention of AFL in the official tendering and financing documents.

Accor stadium is a modern multipurpose stadium that can be used in both rectangular and oval configurations. Are you saying that’s not true? It’s been used by the swans previously so obviously it can be used in that way.

But they chose not to use it because the swans committed to a long term strategy and contract to play at the scg for 30 years which unlocked the funding at the time to spend hundreds of millions to upgrade the SCG. They wanted a dedicated home venue. They wanted a city location. The supporters stopped coming out to Homebush they said they wanted to be at the scg.

Yet you’re also pitching for the nsw government to build yet another multipurpose stadium in Homebush that can be used by different codes. They’d have to be pretty dumb to repeat the same mistake.

The afl paid 5-10m whatever it was back then to the government to help keep Accor in an oval configuration with movable seats so it can be used for afl games for blockbuster games. That was a mistake considering it was only used a handful of times in that way.

If anyone needs a new stadium its the giants, they have a much worse stadium than the swans that would be in need of attention but their poor crowds mean it’s not a priority right now.

If the giants can start averaging around 20k and sell out a bunch of games if I was the afl I’d be pitching to build a new 30k purpose built afl stadium somewhere in the true western suburbs of Sydney.

The swans will be more than fine with an upgraded 55-60k scg with more modern amenities.

Accor should and will be rebuilt into a purpose designed 70-80k rectangular venue specifically for league, union, soccer and large concerts.

That way Sydney’s larger modern venues will be covered for major sports:
Rectangular sports: 30k commbank, 42k allianz, 80k Accor (new)
Oval sports: 30k giants (new), 60k scg (upgraded)

This would give Sydney the best and most diverse major sport setup than any Australian city.

 

[RedV3x]

It still maintains a character and charm that we should look to preserve

What's left of the SCG should and could be preserved as I have repeatedly suggested.

Where?

North Sydney Oval, that's where, where i have repeatedly informed you.

Yes of course it can be upgraded, they can keep the two old stands and the newer stands and rebuild the other one

What other one ?
Don't you think that the new Northern Stand is one hell of disgtraction from the character of the SCG ?

The can change the facade.

Of what ?

They can add corporate facilities

Creating even less capacity for the punters to watch cricket.

what you’re saying is

There are options. The simplest would be to build a new standalone stadium.
Homebush Stadium could be upgraded to accommodate an oval configuration.
The SCG could be moved to North Sydney Oval to join the other SCG stands.

Accor stadium is a modern multipurpose stadium that can be used in both rectangular and oval configurations.

In theory. but in practice, moving the centre stand is the problem.
You could modify that, by having the centre stand always extended
and only moving a small lower part as in Docklands.

the swans committed to a long term strategy and contract to play at the scg for 30 years which unlocked the funding at the time to spend hundreds of millions to upgrade the SCG.

So this was a mutual win for cricket and the Swans to a lesser degree. The SCG trust had all construction done in the AFL season and prevented the Swans from building a homebase there.

The supporters stopped coming out to Homebush

Because they found out that Homebush was a shyte stadium.
The sightlines were bad, poor amentities and no external wind protection.

Yet you’re also pitching for the nsw government to build yet another multipurpose stadium in Homebush

Where do I say that?
Are you delusional or something, seeing stuff I've never said?
And no, I cannot help it that the NSW government has wasted $ billions on stadiums and hasn't got it right yet.

The afl paid 5-10m whatever it was back then to the government to help keep Accor in an oval configuration with movable seats so it can be used for afl games for blockbuster games. That was a mistake considering it was only used a handful of times in that way.

So it's mistake for a stadium to make money ? that sounds like delusional talk to me.
Why are so anti-AFL, anti-business and against ogovernment making good long term decisions.
It's the government that chose the NRL to play regularly there in spite of near-empty attendances.

If anyone needs a new stadium its the giants,

Yes and if Homebush stand was a good functional multi-purpose stadium then they could play there.

The swans will be more than fine with an upgraded 55-60k scg with more modern amenities.

Pray tell how can the SCG's capacity be increased and how can the SCG's capacity be increased without further destroying
the precious character so valued by cricket vans?

Accor should and will be rebuilt

You just complained about the cost of a SCG replacement but want to waste money on a rebuild.
Do you reaslise how delusional that makes you sound.

This would give Sydney the best and most diverse major sport setup than any Australian city.

Are you totally delusional? Melbourne easily has the biggest and best mix of stadiums around for all codes and sports.
Perth has the best stadium but I imagine that Brisbane Olympic stadium will overtake Perth
Currently, the SCG is the worst big stadium for AFL and Homebush is absolutely terrible all round.

 

[Teen Wolf]

The old stands are the only good thing about that shit heap, haha. There's also not enough space for them at North Sydney Oval anyway, just quietly.

Adelaide doesn't have a modern grandstand for 100m of its boundary, for the SCG more like only 80m. Goes to show it's what you do with the rest of the stadium that really matters.

Two-thirds of it should be torn down and rebuilt, with a roof added (a bigger version of the main courts at Wimbledon could be done). There's apparently just not enough of an appetite to ensure the matchday experience actually lives up to reputation. Sydneysiders (even many genuine Swans supporters) happy to pretend it's a world class venue despite knowing otherwise.

 

[RedV3x]

The old stands are the only good thing about that shit heap, haha.

The main problem is the lack of consistency around the stands.

There's also not enough space for them at North Sydney Oval anyway, just quietly.

Loudly, you're wrong.

Adelaide doesn't have a modern grandstand for 100m of its boundary, for the SCG more like only 80m. Goes to show it's what you do with the rest of the stadium that really matters.

The desire for a large capacity, convenient, comfortable, good viewing stadium clashes drastically with the idea of "character"
.

Two-thirds of it should be torn down and rebuilt, with a roof added (a bigger version of the main courts at Wimbledon could be done). There's apparently just not enough of an appetite to ensure the matchday experience actually lives up to reputation. Sydneysiders (even many genuine Swans supporters) happy to pretend it's a world class venue despite knowing otherwise.

Swans supporters just nod and smile with any media reportings.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Well there's enough space on North Sydney Oval, but it might damage the wicket:



Long story short: stfu, Mr Loudly.

 

[RedV3x]

Well there's enough space on North Sydney Oval, but it might damage the wicket:

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Just LOOK at all that character!!! Cricket fans would go ape over that configuration.
Easy to extend North Sydney's perimeter, add the remaining two SCG stands
AND make it a proper oval configuration.
WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN

 

[Fambam84]

The SCG will by far be the most rundown major football/cricket ground once the new Brisbane and Hobart stadiums have been built.

The Bill O'Reilly stand, Clive Churchill stand and Brewongle stand all need to be brought into the 21st century.

 

[Tandy]

Never been to the SCG but it does look very mismatched. Keep the old grandstands because they’d never get approval to relocate them. But having the rest of the stadium wrap around and join uo either side would be the best look. Obviously not a priority in NSW.

 

[RedV3x]

The SCG will by far be the most rundown major football/cricket ground once the new Brisbane and Hobart stadiums have been built.

The Bill O'Reilly stand, Clive Churchill stand and Brewongle stand all need to be brought into the 21st century.

I have been there to witness the almost encirclement of the SCG in concrete stands. I always appreciated the addition of capacity and comfortable but always questioned the application.
there seems to have never been a long term plan.
If there had been a long term plan then i'm sure the SCG would have done it differently.
Buying airspace or just a little bit of land would have allowed on continuous stand to be built around an AFL sized oval.
There is nothing majorly wrong with the individual stands it's just together they are a mess.

i must repeat that the new SCG Northern Stand is a complete abomination to look at.
it reminds me of when they built the three tier stand at Subiaco for the proposed realignment only to have it marooned behind the goals, but the new SCG Northern Stand is many times worse.

 

[Giant YoYo]

Never been to the SCG but it does look very mismatched. Keep the old grandstands because they’d never get approval to relocate them. But having the rest of the stadium wrap around and join uo either side would be the best look. Obviously not a priority in NSW.

Rectangular sports lovers have it in for footy in this state and would rather the cricket ground become dilapidated and cricket suffer than have the Swans have an upgraded stadium.

Such are things here.. (sorry to cricket fans).