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This is a thread about murdered Jewish Australians.

Turning it into a Gaza debate or a meditation on the history of Zionism feels badly misplaced.
Hang on a second. In the days following the murders, Netanyahu (who is a Zionist) was quick to point the finger at Albanese and blame him for 'fuelling antisemitism' and then has the arrogance to tell him how he should run the country. Why wouldn't folk on this thread put their opinions across on what he said.

When Corbyn (another Labour leader who believes in a two-state solution) was gaining traction in the UK and it looked like a possibility he would get in power, he too, was accused of being antisemitic - which couldn't be further from the truth - and then the UK press done a hit job on him, then succeded by "Sir" Keir, which nothing was levelled at him (a red Tory & part of the establishment ala Tony Blair) when the synagogue shooting in Manchester happened, nor at Trump (that bastion of peace) when the same happened at the Jewish museum in Washington.

It's heartbreaking those folk were murdered at Bondi and that seemed to be the core immediate replies to the thread - you'd want to be a psychopath to be indifferent to it, but your description of the thread does have some truth to it, but the thread has evolved along with comments related to the attack.
 
Until the west has a crackdown on extremist elements in the Islamic community this shit will not stop in the west. Stop tip toing around the subjects and be stern. Unfortunately there are too many idiots on the left who refuse to acknowledge the ideological issues in a portion of this community and this lets the issue fester.

Lok at the UAE and Saudia Arabia are examples of what has been done to stamp this out.

Or we will become like Germany and many other European nations where the way of life is severely changed
 

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Until the west has a crackdown on extremist elements in the Islamic community this shit will not stop in the west. Stop tip toing around the subjects and be stern. Unfortunately there are too many idiots on the left who refuse to acknowledge the ideological issues in a portion of this community and this lets the issue fester.

Lok at the UAE and Saudia Arabia are examples of what has been done to stamp this out.

Or we will become like Germany and many other European nations where the way of life is severely changed

How has life in Germany and many other European countries been severely changed by an extremely small fanatic element of Islamic extremism?

I’d suspect very small fringe element of any movement is problematic and that we already do police and crackdown on these small elements.

So I’m not sure what the point you’re making is.
 
I wonder when Sussan and the LNP will catch on to the fact that a large number of Australians have switched off from this type of politics. Where you offer nothing.

 
I wonder when Sussan and the LNP will catch on to the fact that a large number of Australians have switched off from this type of politics. Where you offer nothing.


The only reason there's a RC into this bullshit is because Albo was too weak to not call one on Murdoch.
He learnt nothing from the voice referendum - these scum will stop at nothing for power.
 
Am i getting this right, you're making a blanket statement that she's evil, an Austrlian author and academic but with no evidence, why?

Has she said anthing worse than saying Zionism is a racist, illegitimate, settler colonial project which is comparable to apartheid or white supremacy? This is all true. Are you spporting illegal Zionist occupation and white supremacy, Dogs?

I think Bigfooty knows that you have yet to condemn the NZ mass murder who killed 51 innocent people, I don't think you've ever mentioned him as "evil." You're post is also getting cheered on, where does that leave you Dogs_R_Us?
You seem to be obsessed with equating two unrelated incidents. One of which I don't believe I ever posted about. Christchurch was terrible, the shooter a deranged extremist. Happy now?

"Racist, illegitimate, settler colonial project" - my god, mouthing critical theory now. The Frankfurt School of Marxism would be pleased with its work.
 
Or we will become like Germany and many other European nations where the way of life is severely changed
I spend a lot of time in both Germany, and Europe in general for work, and the way of life there is just fine thanks. I can assure you Europe faces challenges, like everywhere, but the supposed change to their lifestyle is massively beat up, in order to stir up people elsewhere who likely have never set foot in the place.

Biggest concern is Russia. All Europeans are genuinely frightened by the way Russia is behaving.
 
I spend a lot of time in both Germany, and Europe in general for work, and the way of life there is just fine thanks. I can assure you Europe faces challenges, like everywhere, but the supposed change to their lifestyle is massively beat up, in order to stir up people elsewhere who likely have never set foot in the place.

Biggest concern is Russia. All Europeans are genuinely frightened by the way Russia is behaving.
It's only racists who genuinely believe Europe has an issue with multiculturalism.
 
I wonder when Sussan and the LNP will catch on to the fact that a large number of Australians have switched off from this type of politics. Where you offer nothing.


Reminder to all those who love to hem haw about how we 'need a strong opposition voice' that this is someone considered a moderate Lib, along with ****head Frydenberg.

Even the so called best of them are absolute campaigners who will use any opportunity to play politics.
 
Reminder to all those who love to hem haw about how we 'need a strong opposition voice' that this is someone considered a moderate Lib, along with ****head Frydenberg.

Even the so called best of them are absolute campaigners who will use any opportunity to play politics.
Pretty much. The older generation need to die out, it's the only way this toxic brand of conservatism finishes.
 
The only reason there's a RC into this bullshit is because Albo was too weak to not call one on Murdoch.
He learnt nothing from the voice referendum - these scum will stop at nothing for power.

It’s a nothing fight. You have the LNP and a small number of Australians vocally railing against your - correct - decision to not have a RC.

No one is going to be vocally against having a RC even if they don’t think it’s needed.

A large number of people don’t care.

So the small minority can effectively dictate terms through the media. And unfortunately for Albo, for the reasons I’ve expressed above there isn’t an effective narrative to convince people why a RC isn’t needed in these circumstances. You’re giving a technical justification to an emotional issue.

It was lose lose for him.

What’s going to happen is we will spend a lot of money to achieve very little.
 

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It’s a nothing fight. You have the LNP and a small number of Australians vocally railing against your - correct - decision to not have a RC.

No one is going to be vocally against having a RC even if they don’t think it’s needed.

A large number of people don’t care.

So the small minority can effectively dictate terms through the media. And unfortunately for Albo, for the reasons I’ve expressed above there isn’t an effective narrative to convince people why a RC isn’t needed in these circumstances. You’re giving a technical justification to an emotional issue.

It was lose lose for him.

What’s going to happen is we will spend a lot of money to achieve very little.
I disagree. The answer is to call out Israel as the root cause for committing a genocide in Gaza and Zionist control over Australia has gone way too far.

We need to counter these forces or they will continue to have their own way on everything.
That includes wealth inequality and billionaire profits.
 
I disagree. The answer is to call out Israel as the root cause for committing a genocide in Gaza and Zionist control over Australia has gone way too far.

They’re not going to do that
 
the voice of reason, equality, and humanity.:heart:

”MEDIA RELEASE: Jewish Council will work with Royal Commission to adopt an anti-racist approach and ensure diverse Jewish voices are heard

The Jewish Council of Australia is committed to working with the Royal Commission into the Bondi massacre, stressing that the inquiry must prioritise accountability, and understand antisemitism as an issue deeply intertwined with all forms of racism — rather than being derailed into a political battle that encourages more racism and division.

The Council said it would engage constructively with the Royal Commission to ensure that Jewish perspectives are represented in all their diversity, including voices committed to Palestinian human rights, civil liberties, multiculturalism and evidence-based public policy.

Dr Max Kaiser, Executive Officer, Jewish Council of Australia:

“The Bondi massacre deserves real accountability. This Royal Commission must focus on the failures that led to violence, and must steadfastly avoid politicising the issue of antisemitism to target migrants or silence dissent. That kind of politics makes Jewish people, and everyone, less safe.”

“There is a major problem with framing antisemitism as an issue of ‘religiously motivated’ extremism that can be solved through security responses and migration settings. We must avoid demonising faith groups and migrants and instead see antisemitism as one expression of a deep problem of racism in Australian society."

“A credible inquiry must be independent, compassionate and evidence-based not turned into a platform to attack the Palestine solidarity movement, universities, migrants or human rights institutions. Jewish safety is not served by encouraging more racism or politicisation; it is served by accountability, evidence and genuine public confidence.”

Sarah Schwartz, Executive Officer, Jewish Council of Australia:

"We are committed to working with this Commission to ensure that it focuses on Bondi and adopts an anti-racist approach. Our petition calling for unity after the Bondi massacre, signed by over 50,000 Australians and thousands of Jews, shows that Jewish safety is intertwined with the safety of all peoples and with all of our human rights. We don't want to see this tragedy being weaponised to spread hatred and division."

“It will be important for the Commission to recognise diversity within the Jewish community and avoid the type of naked politicisation of tragedy which we have seen in the wake of the Bondi massacre.


Gethelred a thread for the royal commission commentary?
 
Well then nothing will change and Australians will continue to have a cost of living crisis.

As I said, we are going to spend a lot of money and achieve nothing
 
 

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How has life in Germany and many other European countries been severely changed by an extremely small fanatic element of Islamic extremism?

I’d suspect very small fringe element of any movement is problematic and that we already do police and crackdown on these small elements.

So I’m not sure what the point you’re making is.

Odds his entire knowledge of Germany comes from when Elon supported AfD?
 
Until the west has a crackdown on extremist elements in the Islamic community this shit will not stop in the west. Stop tip toing around the subjects and be stern. Unfortunately there are too many idiots on the left who refuse to acknowledge the ideological issues in a portion of this community and this lets the issue fester.

Lok at the UAE and Saudia Arabia are examples of what has been done to stamp this out.

Or we will become like Germany and many other European nations where the way of life is severely changed

Do we also get to crackdown on extremist right wingers like yourself? You guys are the greatest danger to the west as proven by the US.
 
I disagree. The answer is to call out Israel as the root cause for committing a genocide in Gaza and Zionist control over Australia has gone way too far.

We need to counter these forces or they will continue to have their own way on everything.
That includes wealth inequality and billionaire profits.
You really want to say Jewish control instead of Zionist control don’t you.

The root cause was Hamas murdering, butchering and raping innocent people on Oct 7. Then taking hundreds as hostages and keeping them in conditions not fit for animals for as long as two years.

What did you expect Israel to do?
Please Hanas can we have our hostages back and we forgive you for the rape and murder committed on Oct 7.

What world leader anywhere would not have acted as they did? You don’t sing Kumbiya to terrorists. You have to deal with them via the only thing they understand.

I’d be interested in what the Hamas apologists aka anti semites would have done in Israel’s position.
 

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