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Carn The Berries said:
I heard an interview on ABC radio this morning. The reporter had spoken to a couple of Criminologists. One of them was a cop who had 30 years on the force. Apparently we shouldn't judge the cops for beating someone on the ground, with one arm pinned behind their back, because we can't be certain what that person may have had concealed underneath them!

The spin on this is truly insane.
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All reasonable points from the criminologists.

The spin is indeed insane on this issue though, on that we can agree.
 
Carn The Berries said:
Reasonable to beat someone to a pulp (who is restrained and on the ground) then claim that is was because they were "in danger"?
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Yep!

The bloke was clearly resisting arrest for some reason. Do you know what reason the police had?

As I've inferred before, these police officers know they are getting filmed in 4K from 18 different angles, so them sticking the boot in for no reason might have flown back in the Roger Rogerson era, but not today.

I reckon it's better to assume that the coppers had a reason, rather than laughable Rodney King comparisons that some morons have suggested.
 
FIGJAM said:
Yep!

The bloke was clearly resisting arrest for some reason. Do you know what reason the police had?

As I've inferred before, these police officers know they are getting filmed in 4K from 18 different angles, so them sticking the boot in for no reason might have flown back in the Roger Rogerson era, but not today.

I reckon it's better to assume that the coppers had a reason, rather than laughable Rodney King comparisons that some morons have suggested.
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Ahhhhh ok got ya. Wasn't aware it was standard procedure for the boys in blue to work the body just so they can get someone's arm behind their back.
 

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FIGJAM said:
Yep!

The bloke was clearly resisting arrest for some reason. Do you know what reason the police had?

As I've inferred before, these police officers know they are getting filmed in 4K from 18 different angles, so them sticking the boot in for no reason might have flown back in the Roger Rogerson era, but not today.

I reckon it's better to assume that the coppers had a reason, rather than laughable Rodney King comparisons that some morons have suggested.
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This is the reason:

All coppers are campaigners!
 
FIGJAM said:
Yep!

The bloke was clearly resisting arrest for some reason. Do you know what reason the police had?

As I've inferred before, these police officers know they are getting filmed in 4K from 18 different angles, so them sticking the boot in for no reason might have flown back in the Roger Rogerson era, but not today.

I reckon it's better to assume that the coppers had a reason, rather than laughable Rodney King comparisons that some morons have suggested.
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I MIGHT give this some credence if the NSW government launches a fully independent review of officers actions on Monday night, and that investigation concludes that officers acted with reasonable force.

Any "investigation" by the police simply can't be trusted to call out excessive force.

In other news, I just watched a pig fly by my window.
 
FIGJAM said:
Yep!

The bloke was clearly resisting arrest for some reason. Do you know what reason the police had?

As I've inferred before, these police officers know they are getting filmed in 4K from 18 different angles, so them sticking the boot in for no reason might have flown back in the Roger Rogerson era, but not today.

I reckon it's better to assume that the coppers had a reason, rather than laughable Rodney King comparisons that some morons have suggested.
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Orrrr,

Yes, they knew full well they were being filmed, and continued their thuggery unabated because the message they were sending is that if you protest you'll have the shit beaten out of you.
 
Carn The Berries said:
I MIGHT give this some credence if the NSW government launches a fully independent review of officers actions on Monday night, and that investigation concludes that officers acted with reasonable force.

Any "investigation" by the police simply can't be trusted to call out excessive force.

In other news, I just watched a pig fly by my window.
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Was it in a blue and white helicopter?
 
ferball said:
Was it in a blue and white helicopter?
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I'm not suggesting that. Quite a few of my mates are in the force and don't feel the need to assault innocent people.

My issue is with those that do being insulated by the government and their employer to avoid scrutiny (and the fact it happens in the first place).
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Orrrr,

Yes, they knew full well they were being filmed, and continued their thuggery unabated because the message they were sending is that if you protest you'll have the shit beaten out of you.
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And the premier and police commissioner will stand up and say that you actually acted with incredible bravery and restraint because of the threat from the protestors.
 
FIGJAM said:
Yep!

The bloke was clearly resisting arrest for some reason. Do you know what reason the police had?

As I've inferred before, these police officers know they are getting filmed in 4K from 18 different angles, so them sticking the boot in for no reason might have flown back in the Roger Rogerson era, but not today.

I reckon it's better to assume that the coppers had a reason, rather than laughable Rodney King comparisons that some morons have suggested.
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Take what you've just said, and overlay it over some of the vision coming out of the USA of how ICE is acting over there.

People are (incorrectly) saying exactly the same thing you have about that behaviour...
 
FIGJAM said:
All reasonable points from the criminologists.

The spin is indeed insane on this issue though, on that we can agree.
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You have to remember this isn't the military in a war zone. The standard of force the criminologist is suggesting as reasonable is outrageous for policing in a normal society even with this major event designation/whatever Minns calls it. Otherwise you'll have all these "false positives" like in the USA where the police and ICE start killing members of the public because they perceive they might be a threat or because the cops overstep in the heat and stress of the moment.
 
Carn The Berries said:
And the premier and police commissioner will stand up and say that you actually acted with incredible bravery and restraint because of the threat from the protestors.
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Really good to hear the Labor backbencher (didn’t catch his name) talking to Hamish McDonald on ABC Sydney just now, and standing his ground against the gaslighting of Catley and Minns, his own leaders. (Doubt he’ll be offered a ministry any time soon.)

McDonald (who I usually think is pretty good) is either a bit thick, or pushing the devil’s advocate approach way too far, but he seemed genuinely uncomprehending that just because the protesters defied police orders to disperse (even that is questionable given the kettling), that that doesn’t then give the cops carte blanch to bash the daylights out of anyone. The concept of proportionality (which the Labor MP repeatedly invoked) seemed entirely new to MacDonald.
 
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Carn The Berries said:
I'm not suggesting that. Quite a few of my mates are in the force and don't feel the need to assault innocent people.

My issue is with those that do being insulated by the government and their employer to avoid scrutiny (and the fact it happens in the first place).
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You live in WA right? Indigenous people in WA are over policed to a ridiculous extent. To the point where the old joke about driving while black isn't so much a joke as an acccurate description of policy.

Last week an aboriginal man self harming in Kalgoolie was tasered to death by cops. The guy was self harming and what ... they thought he wasn't taking things far enough?
 
Carn The Berries said:
Ahhhhh ok got ya. Wasn't aware it was standard procedure for the boys in blue to work the body just so they can get someone's arm behind their back.
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Was there a weapon or a reasonable concern that there was a weapon?

Doubt they'd have done that in full knowledge of being filmed by TV and phones from every angle unless deemed necessary.

But hey, let's demonise the police here and compare them policing a protest with the clearly provocative instructions from Trump with Ice, because that is going to be real helpful to the current climate. :rolleyes:
 
Sydney Kicker said:
You have to remember this isn't the military in a war zone. The standard of force the criminologist is suggesting as reasonable is outrageous for policing in a normal society even with this major event designation/whatever Minns calls it. Otherwise you'll have all these "false positives" like in the USA where the police and ICE start killing members of the public because they perceive they might be a threat or because the cops overstep in the heat and stress of the moment.
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How are you comparing the reduction in standards and strategic distribution of ICE agents by Trump to our NSW boys in blue dealing with some dickheads within a protest?

Seems like there are plenty hellbent on division through demonising law enforcement here, when the coppers have had mostly little trouble with protests up until the other day.
 
How dare protesters kneel and pray! Obviously NSWpol felt threatened by all those prayer mats, and as for protesters raising their hands to indicate no malicious intent, well they're just asking for a good unprovoked beating. Especially that bloke inert and pinned to the ground who kept throwing his right kidney at the copper's fist. FFS.
 
FIGJAM said:
How are you comparing the reduction in standards and strategic distribution of ICE agents by Trump to our NSW boys in blue dealing with some dickheads within a protest?

Seems like there are plenty hellbent on division through demonising law enforcement here, when the coppers have had mostly little trouble with protests up until the other day.
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As they are just "some dickheads within a protest", being assaulted by the police is a huge overreaction. They weren't throwing Molotov cocktails or brandishing knives.

Is the police commissioner your dad? Your views appear way unbalanced in favour of the police.
 

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FIGJAM said:
How are you comparing the reduction in standards and strategic distribution of ICE agents by Trump to our NSW boys in blue dealing with some dickheads within a protest?

Seems like there are plenty hellbent on division through demonising law enforcement here, when the coppers have had mostly little trouble with protests up until the other day.
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what did the person getting gut-punched by the thug in uniform while being held down do to warrant that?
 
FIGJAM said:
Was there a weapon or a reasonable concern that there was a weapon?

Doubt they'd have done that in full knowledge of being filmed by TV and phones from every angle unless deemed necessary.

But hey, let's demonise the police here and compare them policing a protest with the clearly provocative instructions from Trump with Ice, because that is going to be real helpful to the current climate. :rolleyes:
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The official line was there "may" haveI been "something" hidden under the person. Hardly justification for a beating.

Is it really that different? Has there been ANY comments from the government or police hierarchy that is anything but absolute 100% support, regardless of their actions? Minns hasn't mentioned anything about investigating the footage, just ramblings that the cops were very restrained.
 
FIGJAM said:
How are you comparing the reduction in standards and strategic distribution of ICE agents by Trump to our NSW boys in blue dealing with some dickheads within a protest?

Seems like there are plenty hellbent on division through demonising law enforcement here, when the coppers have had mostly little trouble with protests up until the other day.
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Exactly what risk to public safety were the men on their knees praying posing?

You're right, there has been minimal issues so far. But if the police are going to behave like that and be given carte blanche by the Premier and Commissioner, that may not be the case for long.
 

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