Official Club Stuff Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion II

[blueblooded]

We have 6 first rounders over the next 3 years and let’s be honest I think Cody will go within 3 or 4 picks of where our pick lands if not closer. We’ll get two picks in the first round this year including Cody nothing surer.

Still I’d like the club to kick up a stink about this

 

[agro]

We have 6 first rounders over the next 3 years and let’s be honest I think Cody will go within 3 or 4 picks of where our pick lands if not closer. We’ll get two picks in the first round this year including Cody nothing surer.

Still I’d like the club to kick up a stink about this

Our first rounder from Sydney this year is likely to be pick 18.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Our first rounder from Sydney this year is likely to be pick 18.

Did you think they were a shoe in for the flag in 2024?

Gulden and Heeney copped injuries tonight...

If those two miss games they're in real trouble...

Their next 5 games are all tough apart from the Eagles.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Our first rounder from Sydney this year is likely to be pick 18.

I think we've also got North's 2nd and another 2nd.
Should be able to get Cody and another good kid in a strong draft.
Where's our draft guru gone this year?

 

[My Hat]

Whatever floats your boat, coryne. The logical conclusion of the far left getting their way would have it rigged for a different side to win the premiership each year, except perhaps for the side they deem to be part of the old colonial system - the enemy. 'You get a premiership... you get a premiership... and you get a premiership! You don't, you racist oppressors!'

You wouldn't want that... would you?

VFL/AFL equalisation policies have been around literally for decades. The salary cap was introduced in the 1980s.

Guess that sneaky far left must have invented a time machine and didn't tell anyone. Respect.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

I think we've also got North's 2nd and another 2nd.
Should be able to get Cody and another good kid in a strong draft.
Where's our draft guru gone this year?

Where do leftover points go if our two first rounders prove more than enough? I only ask because all the negativity over the new rules has left me a bit unsure if I'm missing something, or not. It will be interesting to know what's happening in regards to other future FS/Academy prospects because I'd be reluctant to trade out future firsts for that reason.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

VFL/AFL equalisation policies have been around literally for decades. The salary cap was introduced in the 1980s.

Guess that sneaky far left must have invented a time machine and didn't tell anyone. Respect.

And at that level it was a good thing, even the draft. I'd even argue that the lower teams should all get an extra mid-range first rounder each year, based on wins. My point was never that it's a new thing that's suddenly infiltrated the league, it's that equalisation taken to its logical conclusion is not good for sport.

Having a sook just because someone dared to call something 'left wing' doesn't change that thing's nature.

 

[My Hat]

And at that level it was a good thing, even the draft. I'd even argue that the lower teams should all get an extra mid-range first rounder each year, based on wins. My point was never that it's a new thing that's suddenly infiltrated the league, it's that equalisation taken to its logical conclusion is not good for sport.

Having a sook just because someone dared to call something 'left wing' doesn't change that thing's nature.

The 'logical conclusion' you mentioned is entirely imaginary. There's no evidence the AFL has any interest in going down that path.

It's pretty obvious why the AFL wants a generally equal competition. It's because they make more money that way.

More close games and fewer blowouts means bigger audiences and higher ratings.

More fans believing their club has a shot at success each year means more engagement and more revenue.

Knowing what we know about the AFL, do you really think it would allow ANY ideology to interfere with its straightforward agenda of making more money?

(And do I really need to point out how very not-left wing that agenda is?)

You're jumping at shadows, friend.

 

[josephone]

Where do leftover points go if our two first rounders prove more than enough? I only ask because all the negativity over the new rules has left me a bit unsure if I'm missing something, or not. It will be interesting to know what's happening in regards to other future FS/Academy prospects because I'd be reluctant to trade out future firsts for that reason.

My understanding is if your first two picks add up to more than the value of the F/S, your second pick simply drops back the equivalent number of spots. So you keep the second pick, but it's lower down.

 

[marcmurphy3]

My understanding is if your first two picks add up to more than the value of the F/S, your second pick simply drops back the equivalent number of spots. So you keep the second pick, but it's lower down.

Correct

 

[agro]

Did you think they were a shoe in for the flag in 2024?

Gulden and Heeney copped injuries tonight...

If those two miss games they're in real trouble...

Their next 5 games are all tough apart from the Eagles.

Highly unlikely to be a top 10 though.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Highly unlikely to be a top 10 though.

Yeah I really doubt we're getting a top 10 pick out of them too. But I don't see it being as high as 18 though...

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

If i had to guess I’d say we will be getting pick 6 and 14

 

[Red_man2008]

Our first rounder from Sydney this year is likely to be pick 18.

No it won’t. Dogs, GC, Bris should all evenually Finish above them.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

The 'logical conclusion' you mentioned is entirely imaginary. There's no evidence the AFL has any interest in going down that path.

It's pretty obvious why the AFL wants a generally equal competition. It's because they make more money that way.

More close games and fewer blowouts means bigger audiences and higher ratings.

More fans believing their club has a shot at success each year means more engagement and more revenue.

Knowing what we know about the AFL, do you really think it would allow ANY ideology to interfere with its straightforward agenda of making more money?

(And do I really need to point out how very not-left wing that agenda is?)

You're jumping at shadows, friend.

And you are jumping to conclusions. I'm being rhetorical. I'm arguing 'if' not 'is'. I never said it wasn't fiction but the initial reactions didn't argue that they simply balked at the term 'left wing'. You are still doing it.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

My understanding is if your first two picks add up to more than the value of the F/S, your second pick simply drops back the equivalent number of spots. So you keep the second pick, but it's lower down.

Maybe you are right but it makes no sense if that pick becomes negligible and you haven't the list spots to use it, anyway. There should be more reward for a your hard earned trade. 70 points, for instance, may only get you pick 50 but to a side trying to shuffle points for a FS/Academy it's a big deal.

 

[My Hat]

And you are jumping to conclusions. I'm being rhetorical. I'm arguing 'if' not 'is'. I never said it wasn't fiction but the initial reactions didn't argue that they simply balked at the term 'left wing'. You are still doing it.

OK, so if I understand correctly it seems like:

- We agree there's no evidence the AFL has any interest in going down a 'left wing' path

- The mention of 'left wing' was just rhetorical and wasn't meant to actually describe the substance of anything under discussion

Which does make me wonder why it was even mentioned in the first place, if we all agree it's essentially a non-issue in this context.

Anyway. Good chat.

 

[BlueJet]

1. What rules would this be breaking? The AFL need to have a clear rule in place that this is breaching. Is there anything like that? He is not AFL listed so he should be able to be paid as a staff member.

2. Do you think that another AFL side is going to bid on a young player, in let's say the top 5, if they haven't really seen a great deal of them, particularly at U18s? Could be just enough to see him slide to us only having to use one of our picks on him.

3. What has anyone, Walker and Carlton got to lose? He might accept this, who is to know. Making the team you are about to play for stronger, sure.

4. Give me a good reason why we shouldn't.

1) This constitutes draft tampering. The AFL Integrity Unit has the power to deem any staff wage an illegal recruitment inducement. If they decide the job is a front to hide him from the draft, 100% of that money is taxed against the salary cap, and the club faces massive fines or lost picks.

2) Simply put, yes. He's been spoken of as a top 5 pick for years now, playing him out of position in our VFL affiliate doesn't provide much of a smokescreen at all. In any event, every VFL game is tracked by Champion Data with full GPS and high-definition vision available to all 17 other clubs. Dominating against men in the VFL actually makes him a more attractive target than playing against kids in the Talent League. it proves he’s AFL-ready.

3) The risk is significant. Walker loses a guaranteed three-year AFL contract and elite medical insurance for a staff wage. For Carlton, the risk is the AFL can bar a club from drafting a specific player if they believe the process has been compromised.

4) The previous 3 points.

 

[katmanblue]

1) This constitutes draft tampering. The AFL Integrity Unit has the power to deem any staff wage an illegal recruitment inducement. If they decide the job is a front to hide him from the draft, 100% of that money is taxed against the salary cap, and the club faces massive fines or lost picks.

2) Simply put, yes. He's been spoken of as a top 5 pick for years now, playing him out of position in our VFL affiliate doesn't provide much of a smokescreen at all. In any event, every VFL game is tracked by Champion Data with full GPS and high-definition vision available to all 17 other clubs. Dominating against men in the VFL actually makes him a more attractive target than playing against kids in the Talent League. it proves he’s AFL-ready.

3) The risk is significant. Walker loses a guaranteed three-year AFL contract and elite medical insurance for a staff wage. For Carlton, the risk is the AFL can bar a club from drafting a specific player if they believe the process has been compromised.

4) The previous 3 points.

Eh, details, details...

 

[BlueBlood15]

Looks like the Talent League starts this Saturday with Bendigo playing. Very interested to see how much TL footy Cody plays this year relative to VFL. Personally would prefer to see him in the VFL getting experience against men than dominating his peers in the TL. I assume this week he will play for Bendigo with our VFL team on a bye. Either way, should be an exciting watch as he prepares himself for 2027.

 

[KohPhi]

1) This constitutes draft tampering. The AFL Integrity Unit has the power to deem any staff wage an illegal recruitment inducement. If they decide the job is a front to hide him from the draft, 100% of that money is taxed against the salary cap, and the club faces massive fines or lost picks.

2) Simply put, yes. He's been spoken of as a top 5 pick for years now, playing him out of position in our VFL affiliate doesn't provide much of a smokescreen at all. In any event, every VFL game is tracked by Champion Data with full GPS and high-definition vision available to all 17 other clubs. Dominating against men in the VFL actually makes him a more attractive target than playing against kids in the Talent League. it proves he’s AFL-ready.

3) The risk is significant. Walker loses a guaranteed three-year AFL contract and elite medical insurance for a staff wage. For Carlton, the risk is the AFL can bar a club from drafting a specific player if they believe the process has been compromised.

4) The previous 3 points.

Yeah... but if we keep it 'low key'......

 

[no fate]

This shouldn’t be so complicated.

Just tell him to run onto and kick/handball on the opposite side as a preference/too often, shank the odd kick sideways OOF or vertically up like Blake Acres

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Blake Acres

Age

30

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

, blindly bomb forward like all of our older mids, slack off on defensive running like Paddy Cripps, and greedily take pot shots for goal from outside 50 when teammates are in better positions like Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

Age

29

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

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D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

. Then hope he can unlearn all this later (except the opposite side skills which are always very handy to have).

We only need him to slip to 5 or 6 to bring him outside our pick. That ought to be readily achieved in a strong draft.

 

[ctwenty1]

If i had to guess I’d say we will be getting pick 6 and 14

I dont think Sydney will drop that far

Probabaly more likely 10 and 14

 

[TeeJay Blue]

I'd rather the club not get in Walker's ear and stifle his development in any way. If he wants to play footy without strings attached, let him do so.

There must be another approach.

All I know is that Carlton has invested too much time and resources to not have this kid slip through their fingers. He has nominated for Father son. He has both connected the blues academy (maybe not to the extent of Richmond, but enough) and trained briefly with the AFL team. Carlton have even put the no. 1 guernsey on ice, waiting to thaw it out on his official arrival.

They are rightly disgruntled by the league's handling of the abrupt draft bidding changes (regardless of whether or not they are good rules). So one couldn't begrudge them for maybe playing dirty themselves away from Cody.

I suggested the team this year may drop a few winnable games intentionally for the better pick. Not so much tanking as I see that like playing for pick 1 which is stupid. More so a calculated approach like go all in against the top sides and maybe switch off more often against fellow struggling outfits.

As enticing as it is having Sydney's first rounders, I do expect these will not be anywhere near helpful in matching any early bids. And I am not quite sure what currency any of our tradeable assets have (aside from Cripps which would be soul destroying if it is not partly in his control). This creates a huge challenge.

This approach won't look good for Voss but I believe Wright is already kooking elsewhere irrespective of this year's results, being the no BS CEO he supposedly is, looking for someone who can seemingly be a no BS coach. I merely respect Wright for allowing Voss the opportunity to see out his final year. That is a man of honour.

At the end of the day, I firmly believe due to the time, resources and all the talk surrounding him by others at the club, the main goal for the blues in terms of list managing is working out how to get Cody Walker through the doors.

 

[BluStreak]

well don't we have a couple of King Councils?