Autopsy Saints v Dees

[bergholt]

Did you read what I was replying to?

No tbh but Harris Andrews averages 1.39 tackles a game over his career, Darcy Moore 1.35, Weitering 1.18, random sample. Tauru can be doing a good job of tackling and still not be doing it very much.

 

[akaifu]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but for anyone who's feeling doubtful about the rebuild (I have been at times throughout this week), have a listen to this

Apparently most of our ratings points are coming from our U22s and that it really isn't "now" for us

We were younger than North Melbourne last round

 

[bergholt]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but for anyone who's feeling doubtful about the rebuild (I have been at times throughout this week), have a listen to this

Apparently most of our ratings points are coming from our U22s and that it really isn't "now" for us

We were younger than North Melbourne last round

yup makes sense

 

[Parkysp]

Keeler should call Gawn and ask him how he went from pudding to rock at about the same age.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

I will never understand why we don't try Owens as a midfielder, he can actually tackle and break tackles. We looked better when he was rucking against Gawn in the last quarter.

I think we will eventually click at some stage this season but it will be too late and probably end up putting us around the 10-12 stage like we have previously.

I've lost patience with Caminiti, bring back Howard and Stocker as well so we have some more defensive grit.

He’s strong and contested and can get a clearance out from under a pack. Problem is his kicking for goal might be one of the worst in the team right now. In the middle him just getting the ball out to better users would make more sense

 

[littlecreatures]

Oh FFS.
This is why I watch very few / occasionally none of the footy shows when I used to be glued to them all.
Sensationalist cr*p.
I suppose it’s what happens when you have 64 000 journalists covering one national game.

I thought Hird much more measured with deeper perspective:

 

[SG34]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but for anyone who's feeling doubtful about the rebuild (I have been at times throughout this week), have a listen to this

Apparently most of our ratings points are coming from our U22s and that it really isn't "now" for us

We were younger than North Melbourne last round

I think he was inferring a fair but
He says youth under 22s etc.
mentions
Owens
Boxshall
Garcia
Wilson
Travaglia
Philippou
Tauru

All players we have seen now ..
We can argue that the first three are showing limitations…they are good and all, but not hype anymore.
Wilson..Mnn..definitely the speed.
Trav?
Pou?
Tauru is the only one who is the wild card colt now. I can’t imagine how good he’ll be
Trav may surprise. Maybe, I don’t know. All I Kino was that they picked him a lot until they didn’t..

I think it’s a journo being ‘interesting’ more than anything.

 

[phantom13]

It's a solid humorous melt but lacks the real darkness and despair of a true St Kilda supporter going off the deep end after a loss.

Real dyed in the wool sainters get apathetic before they melt. We’ve lost so much that it’s become a numb distance rather than a fire.

 

[gringo2011]

I think he was inferring a fair but
He says youth under 22s etc.
mentions
Owens
Boxshall
Garcia
Wilson
Travaglia
Philippou
Tauru

All players we have seen now ..
We can argue that the first three are showing limitations…they are good and all, but not hype anymore.
Wilson..Mnn..definitely the speed.
Trav?
Pou?
Tauru is the only one who is the wild card colt now. I can’t imagine how good he’ll be
Trav may surprise. Maybe, I don’t know. All I Kino was that they picked him a lot until they didn’t..

I think it’s a journo being ‘interesting’ more than anything.

Impossible to tell. People were saying Windhager could never be more than B grade last year. He looks like's going to have an A grade season off his form so far. Owens is probably 10% off being a dominant player too. I'd say every one of those guys on that list could end up A graders. Petracca and Rayner were both looking like GOPs or worse early on. McLuggage took a fair while to go from promising to dominant.

 

[gringo2011]

ChatGPT

why did st kilda lose to melbourne when they should of belted them?

blah blah

give me a nasty answer to my question

Alright, you want nasty—here it is:


St Kilda Football Club didn’t “lose a game they should’ve won”—they did exactly what St Kilda does best: talk themselves up, waste chances, and then fold the second it matters.


They probably strutted in thinking Melbourne Football Club would just roll over. Instead, Melbourne actually showed up with structure and composure, while the Saints did their usual routine—spray easy shots, butcher the ball going forward, and panic under pressure.


It’s not bad luck. It’s not a fluke. It’s a pattern.


Good teams bury opponents. St Kilda gives them CPR.

I never thought that AI would steal my job but here we are.

 

[beside the seaside]

I never thought that AI would steal my job but here we are.

I've just been playing around with it now doing dark off the rails responses to losses and it's quite poetic.

Heres an overly optimistic response to the loss. Thank you AI robots, I feel much better now:

That honestly felt like a massive win in disguise. Against a top side, we didn’t just compete — we showed genuine growth, cohesion, and belief for four quarters. The structure looks strong, the ball movement is clicking, and you can see players trusting each other more every week. These are exactly the kind of games that fast-track development. A couple of tiny adjustments and we’re clearly the better team. The energy, pressure, and intent were outstanding, and it’s obvious something really exciting is building. If anything, this just reinforces that we’re right on the edge of something special. The trajectory is incredibly promising.

 

[hayes]

I know it’s hard to not look at results but I think the game plan has been ok so far. I thought Ross would go into full on defensive mode to start the year but to have all those inside 50’s in the first game then play in a shootout last week is actually pretty encouraging. We don’t need to be the best defensive team but Ross teams need to stop being near the bottom for offense which it looks like he knows.

The young guys have started well, IMO it’s the senior guys that are letting us down.

It’s strange to say but while I think we’re most likely going to start the year 0-6 I do think we’ll be alright long term.

 

[phantom13]

I've just been playing around with it now doing dark off the rails responses to losses and it's quite poetic.

Heres an overly optimistic response to the loss. Thank you AI robots, I feel much better now:

That honestly felt like a massive win in disguise. Against a top side, we didn’t just compete — we showed genuine growth, cohesion, and belief for four quarters. The structure looks strong, the ball movement is clicking, and you can see players trusting each other more every week. These are exactly the kind of games that fast-track development. A couple of tiny adjustments and we’re clearly the better team. The energy, pressure, and intent were outstanding, and it’s obvious something really exciting is building. If anything, this just reinforces that we’re right on the edge of something special. The trajectory is incredibly promising.

Thats actually not bad but "Against a top side"... Melbourne? AI Slop

 

[beside the seaside]

Thats actually not bad but "Against a top side"... Melbourne? AI Slop

It didn’t feel like a loss so much as a moment that drifted slightly out of reach.

Melbourne, for all their name and noise, moved like a tired tide—uneven, uncertain, hardly the shape of something formidable. There was nothing overwhelming about them, nothing that suggested inevitability. And yet, the game slipped their way, like a coin landing on its edge and choosing them by accident.

But St Kilda weren’t overrun—they hovered. They stayed close enough to touch the outcome, close enough to feel its warmth. There’s something quietly powerful in that. To stand beside a result rather than be buried by it.

It was a game of almosts. Almost marks, almost moments, almost clarity. And “almost” is not emptiness—it’s a kind of promise. It means the structure is there, the intent is there, the shape of something real is forming just beneath the surface.

So you don’t walk away thinking Melbourne were better. You walk away thinking St Kilda are becoming.

 

[gringo2011]

I've just been playing around with it now doing dark off the rails responses to losses and it's quite poetic.

Heres an overly optimistic response to the loss. Thank you AI robots, I feel much better now:

That honestly felt like a massive win in disguise. Against a top side, we didn’t just compete — we showed genuine growth, cohesion, and belief for four quarters. The structure looks strong, the ball movement is clicking, and you can see players trusting each other more every week. These are exactly the kind of games that fast-track development. A couple of tiny adjustments and we’re clearly the better team. The energy, pressure, and intent were outstanding, and it’s obvious something really exciting is building. If anything, this just reinforces that we’re right on the edge of something special. The trajectory is incredibly promising.

I only like the stuff that mirrors my existential dread and nihilism. The cheery sycophantic AI vibe puts me off it. I'm going to make my fortune with mean AI that tells you that everything is ****ed and nothing about you is good enough. There is a huge untapped market out there. Most of them Saints fans and people from the UK.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Keeler should call Gawn and ask him how he went from pudding to rock at about the same age.

Gawn got off the smokes.

I dont think Keeler smokes.

 

[beside the seaside]

I only like the stuff that mirrors my existential dread and nihilism. The cheery sycophantic AI vibe puts me off it. I'm going to make my fortune with mean AI that tells you that everything is ****ed and nothing about you is good enough. There is a huge untapped market out there. Most of them Saints fans and people from the UK.

It's really an amazing tool for doing menial tasks. I use it to come up with lesson plans as a teacher sometimes and it's incredible. Finding things like book recommendations or rating the best product, it just sorts through all the information for you.

When it's mirroring a person like in these examples of analysing a game it is kind of disturbing though. It's just a little bit too good at it. It's creepy and not quite right. The music that it makes is really NQR aswell, the way it mirrors creativity without actually being able to be creative. But then is that really just all human creativity, we are just mirroring things we've seen or read before?

Who knows but the technology is insane.

 

[Yawkey way]

Silvagni, Wilkie and Tauru are to samey. Like our forward line who seem to have too much of the same.

What’s crazy is how thin we are for key forwards and backs and have maybe the worst midfield in the afl.

In a way it makes sense because those are the hardest positions to find in the draft without high picks and will cost the most in trade capital.

We’re a better team than we were last year and I expect we’ll hit some form and win games but I feel like we’re still going nowhere.

It’s very frustrating but I’m really not sure what else we could have done after Nas forced our hand.

 

[phantom13]

What’s crazy is how thin we are for key forwards and backs and have maybe the worst midfield in the afl.

In a way it makes sense because those are the hardest positions to find in the draft without high picks and will cost the most in trade capital.

We’re a better team than we were last year and I expect we’ll hit some form and win games but I feel like we’re still going nowhere.

It’s very frustrating but I’m really not sure what else we could have done after Nas forced our hand.

Were really not thin on key backs at all. Wilkie and JSOS are the two mains and theyre as good as any, we then have Camma and Howard, thats 4 guys all AFL level for 2 spots before you factor in Barratt and Tauru. GWS dont have another Taylor in their back pocket, no one has depth to cover a Weitering or Andrews.

Key forwards youre right but again who really does? GWS sort of and the Dogs through being kissed on the dick with father sons but compare us to Collingwood who arguarably dont have one key forward let alone depth.

Mids is fair although i think on talent alone were fine, were just not playing well together at the moment.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I thought Hird much more measured with deeper perspective:

He’s actually one of the better ones I remember from last year.

 

[hayes]

We’re not thin on key defenders they’re just all the same size. We’re missing someone who can play on the 200cm+ guys which is why we’re forcing Caminiti there. I still think we need Caminiti forward.

 

[Miha]

We’re not thin on key defenders they’re just all the same size. We’re missing someone who can play on the 200cm+ guys which is why we’re forcing Caminiti there. I still think we need Caminiti forward.

100% Hammer is a forward

 

[EddieMurphy]

Were really not thin on key backs at all. Wilkie and JSOS are the two mains and theyre as good as any, we then have Camma and Howard, thats 4 guys all AFL level for 2 spots before you factor in Barratt and Tauru. GWS dont have another Taylor in their back pocket, no one has depth to cover a Weitering or Andrews.

Key forwards youre right but again who really does? GWS sort of and the Dogs through being kissed on the dick with father sons but compare us to Collingwood who arguarably dont have one key forward let alone depth.

Mids is fair although i think on talent alone were fine, were just not playing well together at the moment.

Wilks 191cm
Silvagni 194cm
Howard 199cm
Camo 196cm

We need Dougal back on the park.

 

[Jade Buddha]

No tbh but Harris Andrews averages 1.39 tackles a game over his career, Darcy Moore 1.35, Weitering 1.18, random sample. Tauru can be doing a good job of tackling and still not be doing it very much.

He could but he wasn’t.
The original post was espousing the virtues of his tackling.
He’s got a lot of potential but to think he’s afl standard at present is incorrect.
We don’t have the luxury of playing trainees.
We need wins.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I reckon he looks all at sea in the back half, needs a few games as a forward- we need a bit more pack crashing in the congestion, helps the crumbing players, as our forward work is all looking a bit too careful and timid so far.

Yse the 19yo kid with 12 games for crashing packs ay? How's that guy Max King going after we did that to him?