List Mgmt. 2026 List Management

[ctwenty1]

Yeah and this board would do very well to stay the **** away and let the CEO and HOF operate...

Cant wait for HOF to back playing as opposed to being stuck re-organising the club

 

[carlton_99]

100%. Hollands is the second coming of Mcgovern. Milking Carlton and will play well when he decides...you are excited by his last 2 games but watch his first 2 which were WOEFUL. He was due to be dropped so then produced. He will do a McGovern and drop away as soon as it isnt required.

Basically a conditional footballer. But also because he has zero speed, turning circle of a ship. If an opposition club put 5 seconds into him, he will fold like a pancake. In space with time he is excellent but the game doesn't give you that very often. And Carlton as soon as he shows form wil ladd him to the midfield because they are dumb. In the midfield he will get caught like a salmon and flap.

I mean all of this in the context of his personal life preferences, the difficulty of the AFL skill level. I'd want him in my team at a lower level where he would thrive at the slow speed. Here, conditional wouldnt be a thing.

My comments on Hollands were not based on his last two games. His first season at Carlton in 2024 was fantastic and he was very consistent despite it being his first full season at AFL level. He is the exact type that a lot of the great clubs in the AFL take a chance on.

And as I said in a previous post in another thread speed is great but it's not all there is for a player to be effective in the modern day. What's just as important is being able to use the ball and have a good footy IQ. Elijah has this and we desperately lack it as a list. Not to mention he can hit the scoreboard. Yes his first two games in 2026 his execution by foot especially was poor but he was still trying to make things happen.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Exactly, so what more is there to lose? Our issue is not that Cripps is too slow, it is that our entire midfield is too slow. Our issue is that we have Cripps and Hewett and Cerra all in the midfield at the same time. If Cripps were surrounded by more explosive midfielders, he would be able to use his inside ball winning ability + leadership to make others better. I see him transitioning more forward, with smaller bursts through the midfield across the back end of his career, but I think his inside work and his leadership makes him an asset of the Club - and I can't see him retiring at 31.

Paddy could play another 3 years easily, but he has to make goalkicking a strength.
I’d personally like to see Paddy play a quick early quarter burst in the middle, rest up forward and on the bench then come back into the middle with 10 minutes of game time left each quarter.
A split of 50% mid, 20-30 forward, 20-30 bench
But he needs to go to work in a major way with his goalkicking, and coming up with a routine that he’s spent hours upon hours perfecting.

 

[Accidental genius]

Anyone think Cripps to freo a likely outcome?

Cripps and his family return to Perth?

Would freo need/want him ?

 

[JustOneTime]

My comments on Hollands were not based on his last two games. His first season at Carlton in 2024 was fantastic and he was very consistent despite it being his first full season at AFL level. He is the exact type that a lot of the great clubs in the AFL take a chance on.

And as I said in a previous post in another thread speed is great but it's not all there is for a player to be effective in the modern day. What's just as important is being able to use the ball and have a good footy IQ. Elijah has this and we desperately lack it as a list. Not to mention he can hit the scoreboard. Yes his first two games in 2026 his execution by foot especially was poor but he was still trying to make things happen.

I'm going to watch with interest. So far as a person, he has looked after himself.

Let's see it play out. His first season IMO was in two halves. He was very good on the HHF/wing/outside in space. He did so well they moved him into the midfield in the second half of the season. Here he was terrible and got caught flatfooted and weak. Club's fault not his. Andm ight have led him to get disillusioned. Needs space and time to shine. I see that vision and kick but it is conditional of space.

If he can maintain a ratio of 2 good games, 2 bad games then he is worth it.

 

[JustOneTime]

Anyone think Cripps to freo a likely outcome?

Cripps and his family return to Perth?

Would freo need/want him ?

No club wants Cripps from 2027 onwards.

 

[DZ4]

Well i didn't say we need Bailey Smith, I said he's exactly the type of player we need, but if you work yourself up into a foam over it, by all means...

Not that your reply means jack shit to the point I was making...
So What if Sam Walsh beat him one on one? So what if the Brisbane mids did?

The point is we need someone who runs hard both ways and can deliver the ball.

All you've offered is a 'My Dad's tougher than your Dad' type senario...

Was clearly a rebuttal to your point on our list needing a few “dickhead types”, or a few players with “mongrel”, whatever that is.

A player that plays the way Smith does would be brilliant. But that’s not the only thing you said.

 

[Stamos]

Why B Campo after Lord? Why Lord just before B Campo? It's a list strategy that doesn't make sense and doesnt seem orchestrated. It seems reactionary.

Why wouldn’t you?

Ben Campo was an All Australian mid who cost us what was pick 63 before the draft when Geelong bid for him.

Just because we’ve got Lord doesn’t mean we’re not going to need any other midfielders.

 

[gbatman]

I think there is little choice, we need to bring our list age down and our pace and skill level up.

I think we need to trade out of the top and middle shelf here. Cripps, McKay, Cerra, could all be used as trade options. I think Ollie Hollands needs to be shopped around as well. I think these players are our key to fixing everything.

I am looking at just how much we need to turn over and it can only be done by trading out some higher profile players we can afford to lose.

We need a good haul of early draft picks. First, two or three rounds get right into it. You can't make big list changes without trading to get more picks.

It will open the door to allow us to grab some expensive free agents and pay them off early. You are probably thinking that Cripps gets you a first round pick, mid or late. McKay can probably get you two first rounders mid to late. Cerra if he stays on the park gets you a later first or early second. Hollands a second or third.

Can we afford to lose these players? Definitely and I don't think we fall off the planet. We can do it in a way where we either improve or even get a little better.

This move gives you the most open salary cap a club has ever had. Have to be close to it. Would be one hell of a war chest. Offer Butters $15M over 7 years and pay off $10M or $11M in the first 3 years. Because if we gutted our list like this after offloading Silvagni, TDK and Curnow we would desperately need a salary dump or two to meet our Minimum player payments so two birds with the one stone. Blow Port out of the water, pay most of his contract in the first 3 years so it does not affect our future.

Take Walker with the one or two first round picks, depending where we end up. Take 4 or 5 first round picks in the draft. Embrace the youth and keep some of the more talented older and cheaper players on short low money contracts. Try and get some good young players from other clubs.

What do we look like in 2027 if we hit a hard rebuild?

Newman Weitering Cowan
Florent Dean Motlop
Wilson Lord Carroll
Ainsworth O'Farrell Smith
Byrne McGovern O'Keeffe
Pittonet Walsh Butters
E Hollands Hayward Walker Monahan

Reserves
Williams Fogarty B Camporeale L Camporeale Reidy Charleson Saad Hewett Young Chesser Boyd Duffy Moir Evans Young Cottrell Derksen Kemp Acres. Obviously not all will survive but you can add a bunch of early draft picks to this bunch.

OUT: Cripps Cerra McKay O Hollands

IN: Walker Butters 4-5 First round draft picks and a few second rounders and probably more, maybe more trades maybe we go for someone like Walters if available. It's massive salary offload, we could potentially be into more FA's.

Bring in a new coaching group and game system based around skills and pace. Develop Wilson and Carroll as fast running accurate kicking wingmen. Lord or B Camporeale or Hewett play as a traditional hard hitting centreman. Butters, Walker, Smith and Walsh form the nucleus of a very fast, talented agile modern day midfield. Will be one of the best midfields in the game for the next 5 years at least.

Develop Motlop as a half back, I think he will absolutely kill it back there. Could be elite.

Develop O'Farrell as a CHF. McGovern and Kemp in a good system are good leading forwards and O'Keeffe is a decent big target if we developing him well.

Monahan will debut this year. I am not sure where his ceiling is but in a good system I think he could be quite a good player.

Under all of this is a bunch of kids taken early in the draft developing into our next bunch of stars. Playing in the VFL with the likes of Saad, Cottrell, Acres, Hewett etc

Can we get a bunch of lower first rounders for our older stars? Maybe. You would find that teams would go hard at McKay, teams like Geelong and Hawthorn. Freo might think Cripps could give them one big season in the middle and who knows. Cerra is a reasonable mid but a late first is probably being optimistic. Hollands is possibly a second or a third rounder and that is valuable to us. We have started taking good players in the second and third round.

We have a bunch of good old players who have a year or two left in them and that enables us to clear decks a bit and draft kids.

After this we gradually chip away at the list and allow natural progression of retirements and drafting.

I think this is the reset we need and I would look forward to something like this happening. If Soapy is right and this is the last year of a second year reset. I am expecting something massive like this to happen that one, it sures up the long jeopardy of our list by adding a lot of talented youth suited to modern football and two, brings in enough talent to boot us up to the top of the ladder.

I would be keen to make some big changes like this and add this with a really good coaching group, we could be a very very good football side. If anyone is going to drive it is Wright and Davies and I think Austin would perform very well in this scenario.

You want to rip the list a new one and turn it into a top level modern footy side in a hurry, something like this.

 

[JustOneTime]

Why wouldn’t you?

Ben Campo was an All Australian mid who cost us what was pick 63 before the draft when Geelong bid for him.

Just because we’ve got Lord doesn’t mean we’re not going to need any other midfielders.

Because we don't need further inside mids with Cerra + Lord/B Campo. When we also have Cripps/Hewett.

Because you need to understand opportunity cost. What one decision costs another. Drafting both Lord/B Campo means you dont draft other options. Like leg speed, or elite kicking to help outside transition.

Other opportunity cost issues...
E.g.
Hudson Okeefe is blocking Austin allowing the team to recruit a young jumping/taller ruck via draft. But HoK isnt going to make it due to height/jumping. Wrong type for the game right now. But he is a blocker.

E.g.
Young blocks austin recruiting a proper second key back and has done ever since he upgraded his salary. You notice Austin put him up for potential trade and no takers at the salary point.

E.g.
Fogarty blocks recruitment of more small forwards or investing higher collateral in the small forward space.

Each mistake is small in isolation but eventually add up to a huge impact of failure.

 

[Stamos]

Because we don't need further inside mids with Cerra + Lord/B Campo. When we also have Cripps/Hewett.

Because you need to understand opportunity cost. What one decision costs another. Drafting both Lord/B Campo means you dont draft other options. Like leg speed, or elite kicking to help outside transition.

Other opportunity cost issues...
E.g.
Hudson Okeefe is blocking Austin allowing the team to recruit a young jumping/taller ruck via draft. But HoK isnt going to make it due to height/jumping. Wrong type for the game right now. But he is a blocker.

E.g.
Young blocks austin recruiting a proper second key back and has done ever since he upgraded his salary. You notice Austin put him up for potential trade and no takers at the salary point.

E.g.
Fogarty blocks recruitment of more small forwards or investing higher collateral in the small forward space.

The Camporeales are 19. Lord has just turned 21.

Hewett is 30 and Cripps 31. Should we wait until they retire to draft replacements?

 

[JustOneTime]

The Camporeales are 19. Lord has just turned 21.

Hewett is 30 and Cripps 31. Should we wait until they retire to draft replacements?

What age is Cerra?

Where is the game moving?

how many holes do we currently have to fill? Inside mid isnt one of them.

Where do you rate our current 3 rucks? I have them as the worst ive ever seen them and we have had it bad over 25 years.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Paddy could play another 3 years easily, but he has to make goalkicking a strength.
I’d personally like to see Paddy play a quick early quarter burst in the middle, rest up forward and on the bench then come back into the middle with 10 minutes of game time left each quarter.
A split of 50% mid, 20-30 forward, 20-30 bench
But he needs to go to work in a major way with his goalkicking, and coming up with a routine that he’s spent hours upon hours perfecting.

Definitely, Paddy has transformed himself off field a couple of times in his career. I remember the year he hired a person running coach over the off season and came back to explode as a much fitter and complete player, leading to his first Brownlow (either that season or the season after).

I think it is no secret that after his 2024 Brownlow year, with the Birth of his daughter, his support of his wife's medical issues and his ongoing commitment to family - that he hasn't had the time to do that "out of the ordinary" off-season development he utilised when he was a younger, child-less man. It may be that either during this season or across this off-season that he may need to take the time to really invest into his forward craft and goal kicking in the interests of extending his career and positioning himself to continue contributing to this football club (as we all want him to do) well into his 30's. Because you're right if he doesn't develop that goal-kicking strength, he could be facing a retirement within 2 years. But if he does, 3 or 4 more years are available.

With the list we have, the current youth already on the list and the likes of Cody Walker to come, I am confident that with the right coach, that we can swiftly turn things around a-la Sam Mitchell's Hawthorn from next season and if Paddy invests in himself this offseason - there is the possibility that he can still get a sniff at representing a Carlton side that is competing for finals (and even potentially Premierships) towards the back end of this decade.

 

[JaggasMoves]

Believe Ben isn't even close to AFL quality, so it's a wasted list spot

Lucas is a slightly better chance

 

[Stamos]

What age is Cerra?

Where is the game moving?

how many holes do we currently have to fill? Inside mid isnt one of them.

Where do you rate our current 3 rucks? I have them as the worst ive ever seen them and we have had it bad over 25 years.

 

[JustOneTime]

That's the thing with people who can remember everything verbatim like yourself Stamos; zero analysis skills.

Cerra and Lord is fine for inside mids. We dont need B Campo. No role for him. Or via planning, it should have been Cerra plus B Campo. Just not both when there are so many list holes elsewhere.

If you cant understand this...we need to stop talking to each other. I dont want to have to spell it out every time.

 

[Stamos]

That's the thing with people who can remember everything verbatim like yourself Stamos; zero analysis skills.

Cerra and Lord is fine for inside mids. We dont need B Campo. No role for him. Or via planning, it should have been Cerra plus B Campo. Just not both when there are so many list holes elsewhere.

If you cant understand this...we need to stop talking to each other. I dont want to have to spell it out every time.

What happens if Cerra does a hammy?

What does taking a Father Son mid for a late pick when we had TDK on the list have to do with our ruck stocks now?

I’d put my analytical skills against yours.

 

[JaggasMoves]

Personally I would have kept Kennedy but I also understand Lord being younger cheaper yet a lesser version in quality

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

There was a realistic option previously before Reidy called Meek. Obviously Meek turned out a quality ruckman so austin was not interested. And Meek was gettable unlike D Cameron.

So your one of those who believes that everyone wants to come to Carlton, and if they end up somewhere else, then Austin has failed. How do actually know Austin wasn't interested and wasn't banging on his front door every day trying to get his signature??

And your statement about D Cameron is also garbage. We used to have a poster on here named barass70 who's word was the gospel. During the 2019 trade period, he posted Carlton leading the race for Cameron on the rumour thread. Apparently it didn't eventuate because SOS somehow couldn't seal the deal and we ended up with Pitto. Cameron ended up going to Collingwood in exchange for pick 56.

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Post in thread 'Bluemour Discussion Thread XVIII - Please Sir, Can We Have More?'

Sep 3, 2019

Carlton leading the race for Darcy Cameron

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[Blue_Fusion]

No club wants Cripps from 2027 onwards.

Long shot, but possibly WCE would be interested in Cripps to be a mentor for Harley...

 

[ctwenty1]

Long shot, but possibly WCE would be interested in Cripps to be a mentor for Harley...

Carlton will want Cripps

 

[agro]

Believe Ben isn't even close to AFL quality, so it's a wasted list spot

Lucas is a slightly better chance

Put them in Geelong’s Development system and they’d be A OK.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Because we don't need further inside mids with Cerra + Lord/B Campo. When we also have Cripps/Hewett.

Because you need to understand opportunity cost. What one decision costs another. Drafting both Lord/B Campo means you dont draft other options. Like leg speed, or elite kicking to help outside transition.

Who should we have drafted with pick 43 and pick 54 two years ago?

Other opportunity cost issues...
E.g.
Hudson Okeefe is blocking Austin allowing the team to recruit a young jumping/taller ruck via draft. But HoK isnt going to make it due to height/jumping. Wrong type for the game right now. But he is a blocker.

Rubbish.

E.g.
Young blocks austin recruiting a proper second key back and has done ever since he upgraded his salary. You notice Austin put him up for potential trade and no takers at the salary point.

Austin recruited HOF, Derksen and Dean in the last couple off seasons...

E.g.
Fogarty blocks recruitment of more small forwards or investing higher collateral in the small forward space.

Each mistake is small in isolation but eventually add up to a huge impact of failure.

Austin recruited Durdin, Motlop, Fantasia, Evans, White and Byrne AFTER Fogarty...

 

[Benaly28]

Only 3 players are ‘safe’.

Walsh/JW/Jagga IMO

 

[Stamos]

Who should we have drafted with pick 43 and pick 54 two years ago?

And we didn’t even have those picks, we matched bids there with later picks.