VFL Lance Collard Tribunal hearing

[Anythings_sipposible]

Really - so in 1976 people of colour were property?

This is actually one of the bigger issues with discussions around these types subjects. People being cataclysmically ill-informed and insisting that everyone else listen to them while they criticise standards from a different era. Seeing as you raised it, let's go with slavery as an example. You refer to slavery in terms of, presumably African Americans. Despite the fact that slavery was abolished in the USA in 1865 (161 years ago) you flippantly refer to it having been legal until 1976 and, here's an assumption on my part, when you refer to slavery you think ONLY of Africans and the USA, despite the fact that slavery is documented as a universal practise by humans going back about 8000 years.

Here's a nice footnote to the issue of people of colour being sold into slavery - the biggest practitioners of it were people of colour..........

Well in Australia, First Nations people didn't have the right to vote until 1961, they weren't counted as citizens (or really as people) until the 1967 referendum, they didn't receive full voting parity with White Australians until 1981, and their (very, very longstanding) traditions of law and land ownership weren't legally recognised until the Mabo decision in 1992.

If you want to talk about slavery specifically, while slavery itself was never legal in Australia (or at least post-federation Australia), slavery like practices continued well into the mid-late 20th century. First Nations Australians were often forced in to unpaid or underpaid labour throughout Australia's, and this didn't really change until the Wave Hill Walk Off in 1966. Forced dispossession and relocation of Aboriginal people (i.e. the Stolen Generation) continued well into the 1970s. And many argue that Black birding (the practice of kidnapping, coeercing, or illegally underpaying Pacific Islander people) continues to this day, and forms the backbone of Australia's fruit, veg, and sugar cane industries.

So in the actual context that the poster was talking about, about 50 years is about right. But you go on burying your head in the sand about anything that is uncomfortable to you, I think that's a great idea

 

[ScrappyDo]

Its a generational thingy.....they all want to be political activists!

No it's a human thing. Given any elevation in hierarchy or power a predictable portion of the population will use it to shit on those lower. Same happened during covid, religious beliefs, race and everything else. Moral superiority has been used murder and oppress millions over the course of history. It's just another opportunity to be an a-hole in the end. People are entitled to be uncomfortable with changing social norms if that be their inclination. The hypocrisy is just delicious

 

[Sully111]

People get labelled as hateful when they do hateful things, like denying people the right to proper identification because it doesn't suit their own personal world view. Agree with you on people looking back at this time in and thinking what the ****. Not sure if you'll be on the right side of history though, champ

if only it were that simple.

People get labeled as hateful for not completely embracing the narrative.

"I don't believe people born as men should compete in women's sport" can be more than enough for people to start throwing labels around.

There's this common thread... 'I know what you really think" It's so f*cking arrogant and passive aggressive.

"champ" lol... fmd

 

[Diehard Saint]

Think we’re pretty off track here.
Random thread anyone?

 

[thekizzler]

Well you may need to start engaging the brain before you type as this is the second post today you could have done way better, lm sure you don't mean it but you need to remember it's a game, it's not life or death

This is pretty much the biggest case of hypocrisy I've ever seen lol.

Should have a look at your own content first, champion

 

[True Believer]

Well in Australia, First Nations people didn't have the right to vote until 1961, they weren't counted as citizens (or really as people) until the 1967 referendum, they didn't receive full voting parity with White Australians until 1981, and their (very, very longstanding) traditions of law and land ownership weren't legally recognised until the Mabo decision in 1992.

If you want to talk about slavery specifically, while slavery itself was never legal in Australia (or at least post-federation Australia), slavery like practices continued well into the mid-late 20th century. First Nations Australians were often forced in to unpaid or underpaid labour throughout Australia's, and this didn't really change until the Wave Hill Walk Off in 1966. Forced dispossession and relocation of Aboriginal people (i.e. the Stolen Generation) continued well into the 1970s. And many argue that Black birding (the practice of kidnapping, coeercing, or illegally underpaying Pacific Islander people) continues to this day, and forms the backbone of Australia's fruit, veg, and sugar cane industries.

So in the actual context that the poster was talking about, about 50 years is about right. But you go on burying your head in the sand about anything that is uncomfortable to you, I think that's a great idea

What a load of horseshit - I'm not uncomfortable with anything, not is my head in the sand, but it is noticeable that your first reaction is to try and take things down a path that infers racism....

If you want get real about shit, slavery is actually going on right now, not slavery like practises! But it is happening in China, and that makes it much harder to infer racism because they're not white people......

The post I responded to specifically called out "people of colour" and 50 years ago. In a modern context I would say that automatically infers reference to the USA and probably infers a significant leaning to a particular political leaning.

 

[StFly]

Think we’re pretty off track here.
Random thread anyone?

This.

Tribunal and Collards case. Pontificating about if one pisses standing up or sitting down and how that translates to being a great sports person in a country is for a different thread.

If people wish to continue current narrative, random thread is a good shout.

 

[Minga]

Biggest eye roll of a thread I’ve seen in a long time

 

[Teflon]

Hey guys new here but can anyone point me to the “history of racism, slavery and how a good moral conscience society should act” thread please ?
Ta

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

What a load of horseshit - I'm not uncomfortable with anything, not is my head in the sand, but it is noticeable that your first reaction is to try and take things down a path that infers racism....

If you want get real about shit, slavery is actually going on right now, not slavery like practises! But it is happening in China, and that makes it much harder to infer racism because they're not white people......

The post I responded to specifically called out "people of colour" and 50 years ago. In a modern context I would say that automatically infers reference to the USA and probably infers a significant leaning to a particular political leaning.

omfg the china propaganda, here we go. I know I should just bite my tongue and go about my day, but really this is a great way of outing yourself as a propagandised shill. Trying to posit china as a great evil is so 2010s, meanwhile we watch israeli genocides, the US capturing and assassinating sovereign leaders and trying to bully the world into submission through military pressure, sanctions, tarrifs, threatening to invade everyone.. but yes china is evil, the country that hasn't invaded anyone (that literal fisticuffs on the border with india was pretty severe I must say), hasn't started any wars, has lifted a billion people out of poverty into the middle class, has 96% home ownership rates, has overwhelming national support, seeks to create fair and balanced trade relations with all nations, builds highspeed rail for the 3rd world (canada), yes China is the great evil

 

[gringo2011]

And who abolished slavery??

The steam engine?

 

[True Believer]

omfg the china propaganda, here we go. I know I should just bite my tongue and go about my day, but really this is a great way of outing yourself as a propagandised shill. Trying to posit china as a great evil is so 2010s, meanwhile we watch israeli genocides, the US capturing and assassinating sovereign leaders and trying to bully the world into submission through military pressure, sanctions, tarrifs, threatening to invade everyone.. but yes china is evil, the country that hasn't invaded anyone (that literal fisticuffs on the border with india was pretty severe I must say), hasn't started any wars, has lifted a billion people out of poverty into the middle class, has 96% home ownership rates, has overwhelming national support, seeks to create fair and balanced trade relations with all nations, builds highspeed rail for the 3rd world (canada), yes China is the great evil

Propaganda!! Right, organ harvesting and "re-education camps".....yeah, you're right across propaganda........

Overwhelming national support!! I guess when you have a social credit score and are"disappeared" in the middle of the night for saying the wrong thing Joe Citizen tends to shout his support from the rooftops!......wow...

 

[Dard Ball Get]

The steam engine?

Please don’t use my nickname on here #doxxed

 

[Mat Mann]

We are way off topic here. The thread will reopen for the sentencing

 

[Mat Mann]

We'll open this thread at 2pmish tomorrow for the sentencing
STICK TO THE TOPIC

 

[Mat Mann]

only commenting on the sentencing from here on

 

[phantom13]

only commenting on the sentencing from here on

Can we do parallels between this and the butters case (I’ll cease the SJW stuff)

 

[Mat Mann]

As long as it’s relevant

 

[SainterinSydney]

At a minimum, the sentence should be served concurrently with his current ban.

 

[beside the seaside]

The AFL is still seeking a sanction of 10 weeks.

The AFL says these would be served cumulatively, on top of the two-game ban he received for rough conduct. They say they may've argued for a lesser sanction had Collard pleaded guilty.

 

[phantom13]

I hope were up after Zak so we can just go "You saw what you just did right... warning or we take it to court with that shitshow as a precedent... or are we saying we trust oppo players more than umpires"

 

[phantom13]

The AFL is still seeking a sanction of 10 weeks.

The AFL says these would be served cumulatively, on top of the two-game ban he received for rough conduct. They say they may've argued for a lesser sanction had Collard pleaded guilty.

From a "legal" POV this actually tracks whether i agree with it or not.

 

[BrutThough]

Do we know who is on the panel handling down the penalty? Any LGBT representation?

I wonder if they will consider the words of the Pride Cup CEO and their view on significantly long suspensions having a negative impact on their community.

 

[stavro#4]

lol are we taking the piss here?

 

[Dr Spaceman]

lol are we taking the piss here?