NO TROLLS Elijah Hollands (GC-Carlton): Recent Developments & Mental Health Wellbeing

[Skinny10]

I think this in particular is what annoys me about why we have to do this whole mental health dance, as well as how we are just supposed to throw out common sense because reasons. Addiction is just as worthy of our concern as any kind of "mental break" and CLEARLY, anyone taking to the field toxified has a serious problem we should be concerned about. Why do we need to be stupid about it?

The idea his behaviour is reflective of a panic attack is actually insulting to people who suffer panic attacks...

Agreed

 

[Underarm]

Nah in all fairness Dan has been really good when it comes to the topic of mental heatlh, which is refreshing to see in comparison to old man media.

He's the biggest name in footy media and one of the best for a reason, he doesn't resort to the same shit the old man media does.

While being the Posterboy for Sportsbetting.

 

[bomberclifford]

Not sure if it has done the rounds on here, but Elijah cheated on his girlfriend after her mom passed away. I believe this was a few years ago

Was he drinking Fireball while doing it?

 

[chickenonachain]

game was on thursday

Sorry Thursday

 

[sinkintins]

I think this in particular is what annoys me about why we have to do this whole mental health dance, as well as how we are just supposed to throw out common sense because reasons. Addiction is just as worthy of our concern as any kind of "mental break" and CLEARLY, anyone taking to the field toxified has a serious problem we should be concerned about. Why do we need to be stupid about it?

The idea his behaviour is reflective of a panic attack is actually insulting to people who suffer panic attacks...

Playing devil's advocate here, but what if it comes out that he did tests and came back negative on substance/alcohol? Point is, at this stage, we don't definitively know what caused it. We just strongly suspect it.

 

[joe444]

The idea his behaviour is reflective of a panic attack is actually insulting to people who suffer panic attacks...

It's weird, isn't it? I mean, the assumption also is that we must treat the idea of an addict lapsing as such an horrific and shameful outcome that anyone who suggests it is tantamount to outright defaming the guy.

But off his rocker? Ah, you see we only then shall wrap our arms around him.

I suspect, socially, more damage has been done by excusing addictive relapses as "stress" or "anxiety" than the other way around.

Again I'm not expressing certainty. But ffs, a former addict acts like he's lapsed and yet, somehow, the suggestion is met with "How dare you stigmatise mental health problems!"

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Playing devil's advocate here, but what if it comes out that he did tests and came back negative on substance/alcohol? Point is, at this stage, we don't definitively know what caused it. We just strongly suspect it.

I think the problem with this is the AFL (rightly or wrongly for players personal lives) is so historically full of shit on anything to do with drugs and alcohol that short of ASADA (or whatever they are called now) coming out saying he was clear than the majority of us arent believing it.

Additionally, I suppose my counter to that is that there is this idea or underlying subtext to the discussion that being intoxified on the field is less worthy of our concern or sympathy then a "psychosis", otherwise, why keep pulling people up on what is by far and away the most likely explanation for his behaviour?

 

[RCAB]

Mate, the only reason I’m quoting your posts is to call out your nonsense. Don’t flatter yourself by calling it ‘stalking’ just because someone’s pointing out your hypocrisy.

And now you’re throwing around mental health and LGBTQI+ like it’s some shield to hide behind. That’s weak. You don’t get to weaponise those topics whenever you’re getting called out.

Also, don’t lecture me about LGBTQI+. A big chunk of my friends are part of that community, and even they said Rankine’s punishment was on the extreme side. So drop the moral high ground act.

You’re not being attacked, you’re being challenged. Learn the difference.

I'm asking you to please stop quoting me, or spend half your day disliking half of my posts.

 

[bresker]

Playing devil's advocate here, but what if it comes out that he did tests and came back negative on substance/alcohol?

We could go back through this thread and delete 85% of the posts ?

 

[ceebsaf]

I'm asking you to please stop quoting me, or spend half your day disliking half of my posts.

you are doing the exact same thing champ.

 

[bresker]

Why are people using the term "panic attack?" I don't believe that's come out of Carlton. It's just another BigFooty teleheath diagnosis .

 

[Gavin Excell]

Why are people using the term "panic attack?" I don't believe that's come out of Carlton. It's just another BigFooty teleheath diagnosis .

BF diagnoses are the best diagnoses

 

[bomberclifford]

My hypothesis:

Gather round game in Adelaide on Thursday.
Next game is in Melbourne on Thursday night.
Opens up a free weekend.
Gets on the gear (imo ice/meth)
Goes a bit longer than planned.
Spins a story about not sleeping to the club to avoid training etc
Uses the alcohol as a cover (lesser of two evils)
Not high but still under the lingering effects
Tries his darndest to act 'straight'
Results in the physical tells that we see on tv
Very real 'mental health' situation due to being on a come down, anxiety about being found out, stress from not performing the one thing he's good at, and having to face the music.

 

[Chief]

You would have banned me by now if I kept pulling shit out of my ass for the last 25 years wouldn’t you champ?

Could still happen.

 

[Pistol Night]

Was he drinking Fireball while doing it?

Serious Patrick Bateman vibes picturing this

 

[Pistol Night]

My hypothesis:

Gather round game in Adelaide on Thursday.
Next game is in Melbourne on Thursday night.
Opens up a free weekend.
Gets on the gear (imo ice/meth)
Goes a bit longer than planned.
Spins a story about not sleeping to the club to avoid training etc
Uses the alcohol as a cover (lesser of two evils)
Not high but still under the lingering effects
Tries his darndest to act 'straight'
Results in the physical tells that we see on tv
Very real 'mental health' situation due to being on a come down, anxiety about being found out, stress from not performing the one thing he's good at, and having to face the music.

Probably the most explainable version but we'll never know

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Let's be very clear about what we're talking about here.

What Hollands was exhibiting on Thursday night was an acutely altered mental state with behavioural disturbance.

The causes of an acutely altered mental state with behavioural disturbance are numerous, the most common one in this demographic is toxicological. A primary "mental health episode" such as psychosis is another less likely cause. The features he exhibited and the timeframe we know about are not typical of this being the cause in Hollands' case, though it certainly can't be ruled out.

A toxicological cause of an acutely altered mental stae is not a 'mental health episode'. Even if you have an undelrlying mental illness that leads you to take the drugs, the acutely changed mental state and behaviour is not a mental health episode as you claim

So even if you have a mental illness, self medicating, resulting in an ‘acutely changed mental state’ is not at all a mental health episode.
Good to know.

 

[thumbs_up]

Apparently he's submitted a drug test

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

If anyone has watched AFL 360 tonight, you’ll struggle to get through the Hollands discussion being had by Whately and Lyon without arriving at a clear certainty that Carlton was completely aware of Holland’s issues from start to finish.

The montage of clips both pre-and post game as well as during quarter time, halftime and three-quarter time breaks where he is almost constantly being attended to by an assistant coach or Voss, makes it damn near impossible for Carlton to say they didn’t know Elijah was going through something.

 

[Shifty1]

Does the article state when the testing was completed or the type of testing (blood/hair/urine)? Can't access it.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Munchausen by Proxy

Just Munchausen, unless you reckon someone else did it to him

 

[Chief]

If anyone has watched AFL 360 tonight, you’ll struggle to get through the Hollands discussion being had by Whately and Lyon without arriving at a clear certainty that Carlton was completely aware of Holland’s issues from start to finish.

The montage of clips both pre-and post game as well as during quarter time, halftime and three-quarter time breaks where he is almost constantly being attended to by an assistant coach or Voss, makes it damn near impossible for Carlton to say they didn’t know Elijah was going through something.

I thought they'd already said they knew?

 

[Pistol Night]

If anyone has watched AFL 360 tonight, you’ll struggle to get through the Hollands discussion being had by Whately and Lyon without arriving at a clear certainty that Carlton was completely aware of Holland’s issues from start to finish.

The montage of clips both pre-and post game as well as during quarter time, halftime and three-quarter time breaks where he is almost constantly being attended to by an assistant coach or Voss, makes it damn near impossible for Carlton to say they didn’t know Elijah was going through something.

Videos from the crowd were doing the rounds during the game. If the coaching staff didn't pick up on it i think Carlton have even bigger issues than this

 

[sinkintins]

I think the problem with this is the AFL (rightly or wrongly for players personal lives) is so historically full of shit on anything to do with drugs and alcohol that short of ASADA (or whatever they are call now) coming out saying he was clear than the majority of us arent believing it.

I agree with you, in fact, I'd go further than that and say that the AFL's actions show they've been full of shit on majority of the causes they champion. I find that frustrating because it devalues these issues.

Additionally, I suppose my counter to that is that there is this idea or underlying subtext to the discussion that being intoxified on the field is less worthy of our concern or sympathy then a "psychosis", otherwise, why keep pulling people up on what is by far and away the most likely explanation for his behaviour?

I'm not sure I agree here and that may be cause I'm misreading your position. He has had issues in the past, and that doesn't automatically mean it's true this time. The main pull up has been people outright saying there's no way it's mental health in the context of panic attacks, etc and it has to be some nefarious drug/alcohol usage.

I'd personally much rather the conversation land at Carlton/AFL's feet on their handling of all this rather than whether he was on anything or not. He was clearly not right, this was allowed to play out live in front of thousands of people and aired on national media, and the risk of injury for all involved hasn't been touched on enough. Imagine the legalities involved if he got injured or caused an injury.