Autopsy Round 6, 2026: Hawks dim the lights

[Bedi]

Crawf maybe a victim of circumstance
he played in some pretty lousy teams
put him in the 3 peat side or the 80's teams
he is also exactly what this current side needs
he would be top 5 all time Hawk
he was that bloody good

Top 5 is not a stretch for mine either. 1996, 2001 and 2008 were the successful sides he was a part of, which incredibly spanned three generations, and just so amazing he got the fairytale ending. Pinch myself to this day it happened!

 

[ppphawk]

Is it just me or were port ducking a lot (butters, JHF). Just watching game now.

 

[Paul Kersey]

JHF always ducks.

 

[BigTonkaTroy]

Is it just me or were port ducking a lot (butters, JHF). Just watching game now.

They weren’t JHF got one for ducking in their F50 lowered his shoulder raised the arm and the dumbass ump called high which shouldn’t have been called to begin with. But no they just went harder at the ball than our mids did.

 

[peetoo]

That's a crazy good crowd for a Port match.

I reckon having characters like Wiz, Ginni, Chol, etc is really drawing in a younger crowd.

Plus we play very entertaining footy.

Free transport and. $50 family ticket funded by the club might have helped

 

[A Diakos]

Crawf maybe a victim of circumstance
he played in some pretty lousy teams
put him in the 3 peat side or the 80's teams
he is also exactly what this current side needs
he would be top 5 all time Hawk
he was that bloody good

Crawford was a great player

is he ahead of lethal, Hudson, Arthur, dunstall. knights, hodge, Ayres ,platten, Mitchell,Franklin, Dermott tuck etc etc ?

he is not imo ....and when we talk TUCK it's more so the 1970s tuck not tuck aged 37 in the late 80s which was still a good level ...his longevity also comes into account

it's a subjective exercise , you could rank Crawf anywhere from 15 to 35 with another heap of players that include dipper mew Burgoyne Rioli Edwards Moore Langford Buckernara Jarman etc etc

 

[Elhawko]

Crawford was a great player

is he ahead of lethal, Hudson, Arthur, dunstall. knights, hodge, Ayres ,platten, Mitchell,Franklin, Dermott tuck etc etc ?

he is not imo ....and when we talk TUCK it's more so the 1970s tuck not tuck aged 37 in the late 80s which was still a good level ...his longevity also comes into account

it's a subjective exercise , you could rank Crawf anywhere from 15 to 35 with another heap of players that include dipper mew Burgoyne Rioli Edwards Moore Langford Buckernara Jarman etc etc

Notwithstanding I'm not sure why we are discussing this here, but... Dermie won one B&F, was AA once and played 189 games for us. Crawf won four B&Fs, four AAs, played 300 games and won a Brownlow. He's very much in the conversation for the top ten players I've seen based on that record.

Apologies for contributing to this derailment of the thread!

 

[Sixpence]

My favourite part of this win against Port was when Crawf kicked the winning goal.

 

[peetoo]

Crawford was a great player

is he ahead of lethal, Hudson, Arthur, dunstall. knights, hodge, Ayres ,platten, Mitchell,Franklin, Dermott tuck etc etc ?

he is not imo ....and when we talk TUCK it's more so the 1970s tuck not tuck aged 37 in the late 80s which was still a good level ...his longevity also comes into account

it's a subjective exercise , you could rank Crawf anywhere from 15 to 35 with another heap of players that include dipper mew Burgoyne Rioli Edwards Moore Langford Buckernara Jarman etc etc

Crawf was well above average skills but his fitness for the time meant his performance kept up when others were fatiguing

 

[Hawks1994]

Are you aware you can watch a full match replay via the AFL website?

Certainly am! Life is exceptionally busy at the moment though. Hopefully once everything dies down I can get back to the footy again

 

[burger09]

Notwithstanding I'm not sure why we are discussing this here, but... Dermie won one B&F, was AA once and played 189 games for us. Crawf won four B&Fs, four AAs, played 300 games and won a Brownlow. He's very much in the conversation for the top ten players I've seen based on that record.

Apologies for contributing to this derailment of the thread!

I don't want to fuel an argument but in Derms defence.....

Forwards don't win Brownlows and B&F s like mids do.

He also played in an era of champion players and was a human battering ram hence the low games total.

Plenty will think Crawf was as good or better. I found Crawf was never really the same after he won the Brownlow. His Brownlow year was fantastic though.

For those of us who lived through the eighties, Derm was just the ultimate alpha competitive beast with skills to match. Think Luke Hodge and Jack Gunston in one man.

 

[Elhawko]

I don't want to fuel an argument but in Derms defence.....

Forwards don't win Brownlows and B&F s like mids do.

He also played in an era of champion players and was a human battering ram hence the low games total.

Plenty will think Crawf was as good or better. I found Crawf was never really the same after he won the Brownlow. His Brownlow year was fantastic though.

For those of us who lived through the eighties, Derm was just the ultimate alpha competitive beast with skills to match. Think Luke Hodge and Jack Gunston in one man.

My apologies. I wasn't implying he was better than Dermie necessarily, just using Derm's record as perspective. Crawf is behind a few on my personal list but I'm just pointing out he's nearly the most decorated player we have had and he really should be hovering somewhere around the top 10.

 

[Dipper]

Notwithstanding I'm not sure why we are discussing this here, but... Dermie won one B&F, was AA once and played 189 games for us. Crawf won four B&Fs, four AAs, played 300 games and won a Brownlow. He's very much in the conversation for the top ten players I've seen based on that record.

Apologies for contributing to this derailment of the thread!

I'm not making any negative judgement on Crawf who was a champ ,but I think Dermy is perhaps, retrospectively, the most underrated player of all time. I don't think he was underrated when he played, it's just come in as time moves on, largely because opposition fans who saw him hated him and latter day Hawthorn fans look at the stats and don't get the full picture.

I saw him in an interview last year and he said that after the 1987 grand final he didn't play in a losing side until 1990 (he came off at quarter time in one of the rare defeats and didn't play in the others), he was a freak, he could bend a game to his own will. Imagine not being on a losing side for over 2 years, it's not a coincidence that those very few losses came when he was unavailable.

Because he was banged up and essentially done by 26(with 5 flags, and 8 goals in a losing grand final! someone here will be able to quote his goal average on those very few times he played FF, and it's pretty high) he's not remembered as well as he should be.

I remember on here about 10-15 years ago there was a thread about naming your greatest Hawthorn players, and a poster came on and said 'surprised there's not more love for Dermy, he's our greatest big game player IMO...and we've had a few...Matthews ..Ayres...Hodge...etc"

I don't think AA or BnF can encapsulate his influence.

I'm derailing too! But these kind of shared opinions that organically appear are one of the best things about this forum.

When we flogged Sydney in the 2014 GF, seeing Dermy on the Fox broadcast with tears in his eyes saying that this was the greatest Hawthorn performance of all time said everything about him to me. You'd walk taller with him in your team.

 

[Elhawko]

I'm not making any negative judgement on Crawf who was a champ ,but I think Dermy is perhaps, retrospectively, the most underrated player of all time. I don't think he was underrated when he played, it's just come in as time moves on, largely because opposition fans who saw him hated him and latter day Hawthorn fans look at the stats and don't get the full picture.

I saw him in an interview last year and he said that after the 1987 grand final he didn't play in a losing side until 1990 (he came off at quarter time in one of the rare defeats and didn't play in the others), he was a freak, he could bend a game to his own will. Imagine not being on a losing side for over 2 years, it's not a coincidence that those very few losses came when he was unavailable.

Because he was banged up and essentially done by 26(with 5 flags, and 8 goals in a losing grand final! someone here will be able to quote his goal average on those very few times he played FF, and it's pretty high) he's not remembered as well as he should be.

I remember on here about 10-15 years ago there was a thread about naming your greatest Hawthorn players, and a poster came on and said 'surprised there's not more love for Dermy, he's our greatest big game player IMO...and we've had a few...Matthews ..Ayres...Hodge...etc"

I don't think AA or BnF can encapsulate his influence.

I'm derailing too! But these kind of shared opinions that organically appear are one of the best things about this forum.

When we flogged Sydney in the 2014 GF, seeing Dermy on the Fox broadcast with tears in his eyes saying that this was the greatest Hawthorn performance of all time said everything about him to me. You'd walk taller with him in your team.

Couldn't agree more. At his best he was second only to GAblett Snr for what he could do on the field and he was a fair bit ahead of Ablett as a team player. I think his reputation suffered because he played those last seasons with the Swans and Pies when his body was too banged up to do himself justice. But as his best he was right up there with the very best.

 

[The Gulden Child]

Had to draw a forwards name out of a hat and skull a beer each time they kicked a goal. It was a GF Hawks v Carlton. I drew Dermott. Unfortunately not a good end result.

The bloke was one of the best Hawks ever. 26 major surgeries post career. It took it's toll.

 

[grumbleguts]

Crawford was a great player

is he ahead of lethal, Hudson, Arthur, dunstall. knights, hodge, Ayres ,platten, Mitchell,Franklin, Dermott tuck etc etc ?

he is not imo ....and when we talk TUCK it's more so the 1970s tuck not tuck aged 37 in the late 80s which was still a good level ...his longevity also comes into account

it's a subjective exercise , you could rank Crawf anywhere from 15 to 35 with another heap of players that include dipper mew Burgoyne Rioli Edwards Moore Langford Buckernara Jarman etc etc

1999 Crawford was definitely top ten. But that was a special year, he averaged 29 disposals per game. Which Mitchell surpassed or equalled over several seasons.

 

[grumbleguts]

I saw him in an interview last year and he said that after the 1987 grand final he didn't play in a losing side until 1990 (he came off at quarter time in one of the rare defeats and didn't play in the others), he was a freak, he could bend a game to his own will. Imagine not being on a losing side for over 2 years, it's not a coincidence that those very few losses came when he was unavailable.

He went off during the first qtr of Rnd 7 1988 and didn't get a touch. But he also lost in round 20 of 1989.

 

[Sixpence]

Remember when we beat Port last week? Good times.

 

[Dipper]

He went off during the first qtr of Rnd 7 1988 and didn't get a touch. But he also lost in round 20 of 1989.

Lol you need to tell him about that second one then.

Great knowledge to pull that out though, I salute you. Encyclopedic.

 

[SJT76]

To keep the detail going: Crawf was an an athletic freak before his time. Was a seriously good player and competitive beast. Yet somehow I don’t have him as high as a lot of the stars of the generation just before him.

Such as Derm. Who is now in danger of falling out of my top 3 “enjoyed watching” players: Cyril, D Jarman, and Derm. Wiz is fast closing in on 3rd

 

[MasterSamurai]

Derm !! The reason I barracked for Hawthorn as a little tucker back in the day. Nuff said.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

I'm not making any negative judgement on Crawf who was a champ ,but I think Dermy is perhaps, retrospectively, the most underrated player of all time. I don't think he was underrated when he played, it's just come in as time moves on, largely because opposition fans who saw him hated him and latter day Hawthorn fans look at the stats and don't get the full picture.

I saw him in an interview last year and he said that after the 1987 grand final he didn't play in a losing side until 1990 (he came off at quarter time in one of the rare defeats and didn't play in the others), he was a freak, he could bend a game to his own will. Imagine not being on a losing side for over 2 years, it's not a coincidence that those very few losses came when he was unavailable.

Because he was banged up and essentially done by 26(with 5 flags, and 8 goals in a losing grand final! someone here will be able to quote his goal average on those very few times he played FF, and it's pretty high) he's not remembered as well as he should be.

I remember on here about 10-15 years ago there was a thread about naming your greatest Hawthorn players, and a poster came on and said 'surprised there's not more love for Dermy, he's our greatest big game player IMO...and we've had a few...Matthews ..Ayres...Hodge...etc"

I don't think AA or BnF can encapsulate his influence.

I'm derailing too! But these kind of shared opinions that organically appear are one of the best things about this forum.

When we flogged Sydney in the 2014 GF, seeing Dermy on the Fox broadcast with tears in his eyes saying that this was the greatest Hawthorn performance of all time said everything about him to me. You'd walk taller with him in your team.

Great read thanks for posting. Agree 100% they haven’t made footballers like Dermie for quite a while now.

 

[hr_23]

Lasts weeks win against is looking pretty good right about now