NOW to sometime later in the year (maybe) - Talk about anything

[Bunk Moreland]

I’m told Amin was running water for Scoresby today.

Pretty embarrassing on face value, go and play.

Wonder if Scoresby are tempting him with some big coin… they would be pretty desperate, winless across all three grades.

Up to OD I guess, they can just hold him to his contract.

 

[unwise gamgee]

spoke to someone at a game today who insisted his best mate's sign on bonus at his new club (was Doncaster or DE- he couldn't remember which) included a share of a racehorse. Unbelievable money going round if true

 

[Harry Cheezels]

spoke to someone at a game today who insisted his best mate's sign on bonus at his new club (was Doncaster or DE- he couldn't remember which) included a share of a racehorse. Unbelievable money going round if true

Doubt it would be Doncaster. You don't give players sign ons to play div 4. Especially when you've been in recess for a year

 

[guest100]

Any player who has signed a contract (a player declaration) can be refused transfer

All senior players in the EFNL are required to sign one so that answers that question.

Clubs can elect to approve the transfer if they wish and sometimes do (if they think it’d be better to just do it and move on… or maybe if they’ve copped a quiet transfer fee under the table) but they aren’t required to.

The player can appeal to AFL Vic (at a cost of $750 non refundable) but they’re not gonna have much joy unless there’s extenuating circumstances, they haven’t been paid, etc. If they’ve just changed their mind or decided they don’t like it, they’re not gonna get a transfer.

If both clubs are in the same league then the league hears the appeal and makes a judgment.

This comes up a lot and it’s very clear in the rules… a club can deny a transfer if:

1) The player is contracted (has signed a player declaration)

2) The player owes the club money

3) The player is in possession of club property

4) The player himself withdraws the transfer request

Are you sure Bunk? That is not exactly the way the rule is written (you’ve summarised in your post a longer sentence that is in the actual rules). It’s not a matter of having signed a contract it’s more that the contract explicitly states that the player must play for that club. It’s my understanding that standard contract does not have that clause. If a club alters the standard contract that the player has signed then they would have grounds to deny.

 

[guest100]

I’m told Amin was running water for Scoresby today.

Pretty embarrassing on face value, go and play.

Wonder if Scoresby are tempting him with some big coin… they would be pretty desperate, winless across all three grades.

Up to OD I guess, they can just hold him to his contract.

Why would he run water? He’s either at the club or he isn’t?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Are you sure Bunk? That is not exactly the way the rule is written (you’ve summarised in your post a longer sentence that is in the actual rules). It’s not a matter of having signed a contract it’s more that the contract explicitly states that the player must play for that club. It’s my understanding that standard contract does not have that clause. If a club alters the standard contract that the player has signed then they would have grounds to deny.

The effect of it pretty straightforward as far as I know.

No player can play seniors in the EFNL without being a declared player (ie contracted). That means signing the standard player declaration (ie contract) which applies for a set period (until the end of the season in 99.9% of cases).

If a player is a declared player then their club can deny any transfer request. The player can appeal, but unless there's some sort of serious wrongdoing on the club's behalf (not paying the player, doing something that puts the player's health or wellbeing in jeopardy), then I highly doubt their appeal will be successful.

If a player just changes their mind, decides they don't like the club or the coach, or whatever else, their appeal isn't going to be successful. I've seen that first hand.

Certainly the club (OD in this case) can simply choose to approve the transfer and the club and player can part by mutual consent. That happens.

The player also has obligations under the declaration but really, if they break them (ie refuse to train or play) then there's not much the club can do. If challenged I'm sure any player would just claim injury or whatever.

Why would he run water? He’s either at the club or he isn’t?

As to what he's running water at Scoresby on Saturday afternoon rather than playing for Oakleigh Districts (where he's contracted)... you'd have to ask him.

 

[localfootylegend23]

Doubt it would be Doncaster. You don't give players sign ons to play div 4. Especially when you've been in recess for a year

They've been offering any player with a pulse $200 a game - wouldn't put it past them, haven't learned from their previous mistakes if true.

 

[localfootylegend23]

The effect of it pretty straightforward as far as I know.

No player can play seniors in the EFNL without being a declared player (ie contracted). That means signing the standard player declaration (ie contract) which applies for a set period (until the end of the season in 99.9% of cases).

If a player is a declared player then their club can deny any transfer request. The player can appeal, but unless there's some sort of serious wrongdoing on the club's behalf (not paying the player, doing something that puts the player's health or wellbeing in jeopardy), then I highly doubt their appeal will be successful.

If a player just changes their mind, decides they don't like the club or the coach, or whatever else, their appeal isn't going to be successful. I've seen that first hand.

Certainly the club (OD in this case) can simply choose to approve the transfer and the club and player can part by mutual consent. That happens.

The player also has obligations under the declaration but really, if they break them (ie refuse to train or play) then there's not much the club can do. If challenged I'm sure any player would just claim injury or whatever.



As to what he's running water at Scoresby on Saturday afternoon rather than playing for Oakleigh Districts (where he's contracted)... you'd have to ask him.

Far out I would be so embarrassed to rock up back to Scoresby after what's happened. Feel for OD but some of this is on them for hiring a dud coach, that from what i've heard was a complete tool and had 0 idea. You've got to get these appointments spot on.

Personally don't see the point of holding out on Amin + the 5 either, might as well move on and put your time and resources into some blokes who actually wanna be there IMHO

 

[Crusey]

 

[Crusey]

Decent grab Tristan Tweedie East Ringwood

 

[Harry Cheezels]

Good to see Sam Lowson back for East Ringwood yesterday. They look absolutely stacked even without May and Fox

 

[magpies2013]

rumour getting around Junior footy today that if Baysie don’t put up a good performance against Mooroolbark next week the coach could be gonski

 

[localfootyguru]

Forest Hill and Nunawading may be lucky to see out the year from what I have heard. Oakleigh Districts also a weekly proposition with numbers now at crisis point. The Berwick thirds team in Division 4 is going swimmingly well - NOT.

Lots of problems at Bayswater I am informed. Same issues that arose last year have again reared their head. Player revolt and terrible numbers. Coach should have been replaced last year.

Went and looked at Scoresby, they will be lucky to win a game. Terrible and I wouldn’t have any of those mercenaries back that helped them to a premiership last year.

Mooroolbark in a world of pain too. Low player numbers and no thirds. Had to do a ring around to fill their reserves yesterday.

A number of clubs in deep trouble throughout the league.

Where is the league hierarchy now? Nothing to see apparently as they still want 50 teams.

 

[BIGticket]

100+ point shellackings galore in the lower divisions. Donvale's three wins have been 118, 189, 189. They should have just been moved up in hindsight.

 

[rigatonirudolph]

rumour getting around Junior footy today that if Baysie don’t put up a good performance against Mooroolbark next week the coach could be gonski

Should have been gone after last year. The downfall of Bayswater should be studied. More players likely to walk if things don’t change i’m told

 

[Pendles1991]

Is it just the coach that the players are having issues with or is there more to this? Because so many club stalwarts such as Galvin's etc have left in the past 12 or so months. Is Spook just a bad coach or is more needing to be done by the club to try and stay in div 1?

 

[Fatboy35]

We had four games over the weekend where a team scored 200 points or more. Donvale did it for the second time this season, and three of those results came from Division 4. That’s not good for the division, the league, or the clubs involved. I suspect we’ll see a few more 200‑plus scores as the season goes on.

Bayswater are in serious trouble. I agree that this weekend is a huge test for the club against Mooroolbark. Another heavy loss would push them to crisis point, especially in a year where they are not playing on their home ground.

 

[localfootyguru]

Is it just the coach that the players are having issues with or is there more to this? Because so many club stalwarts such as Galvin's etc have left in the past 12 or so months. Is Spook just a bad coach or is more needing to be done by the club to try and stay in div 1?

Not just the coach. He probably wasn’t a great appointment but they have been on the slide for some time.

Players were ruling the roost and having far too much say in where the club was heading. Have struggled with juniors for years and recruiting has been hard work. Lots of questions asked about why they paid large sign on fees to Bianco and Brown who both had no connection to the club and were going to play few games.

A couple of neighbouring clubs well positioned to see some of their home grown talent return as a result of happenings. Also very poor numbers in their reserves team and ring arounds occourring to get a team on the park.

In all sorts.

 

[localfootyguru]

We had four games over the weekend where a team scored 200 points or more. Donvale did it for the second time this season, and three of those results came from Division 4. That’s not good for the division, the league, or the clubs involved. I suspect we’ll see a few more 200‑plus scores as the season goes on.

Bayswater are in serious trouble. I agree that this weekend is a huge test for the club against Mooroolbark. Another heavy loss would push them to crisis point, especially in a year where they are not playing on their home ground.

And The Basin also won by over 100 points against FTG

Norwood thrashed by Mitcham by nearly 100

Fairpark belted North Croydon by nearly 200.

As well as Forest Hill and Nunawading continuing their standard outcomes.

Footy in a lot of trouble across the league.

 

[Harry Cheezels]

We had four games over the weekend where a team scored 200 points or more. Donvale did it for the second time this season, and three of those results came from Division 4. That’s not good for the division, the league, or the clubs involved. I suspect we’ll see a few more 200‑plus scores as the season goes on.

Bayswater are in serious trouble. I agree that this weekend is a huge test for the club against Mooroolbark. Another heavy loss would push them to crisis point, especially in a year where they are not playing on their home ground.

I think donvale will get more of a test against some teams coming up. New coach and game plan has made them better.

 

[10571z]

We had four games over the weekend where a team scored 200 points or more. Donvale did it for the second time this season, and three of those results came from Division 4. That’s not good for the division, the league, or the clubs involved. I suspect we’ll see a few more 200‑plus scores as the season goes on.

Bayswater are in serious trouble. I agree that this weekend is a huge test for the club against Mooroolbark. Another heavy loss would push them to crisis point, especially in a year where they are not playing on their home ground.

How exactly are Bayswater in serious trouble? I mean if they get relegated so be it?

 

[10571z]

Forest Hill and Nunawading may be lucky to see out the year from what I have heard. Oakleigh Districts also a weekly proposition with numbers now at crisis point. The Berwick thirds team in Division 4 is going swimmingly well - NOT.

Lots of problems at Bayswater I am informed. Same issues that arose last year have again reared their head. Player revolt and terrible numbers. Coach should have been replaced last year.

Went and looked at Scoresby, they will be lucky to win a game. Terrible and I wouldn’t have any of those mercenaries back that helped them to a premiership last year.

Mooroolbark in a world of pain too. Low player numbers and no thirds. Had to do a ring around to fill their reserves yesterday.

A number of clubs in deep trouble throughout the league.

Where is the league hierarchy now? Nothing to see apparently as they still want 50 teams.

Every year there will be teams with lower numbers than desired. Unfortunately it’s just part of the cycle of being a club.

Nunawading and Forest Hill returning has just diluted player numbers further. I get the clubs want to exist but surely there has to be an acceptance there is no demand for a club in that spot anymore. Their losses will only get worse

 

[Bunk Moreland]

What is abundantly clear is that if you don’t have a reasonable supply of juniors then at some point you are going to run into a lot of trouble. It’s a recurring problem.

On the 50 clubs, not sure the league realise that adding a club and also losing a club doesn’t get you anywhere.

But it’s the junior thing mostly.

We right now have more junior boys playing footy in the eastern region than we did 20 years ago.

They are just concentrated at fewer clubs. Clubs with 20 or 30+ teams.

Whatever has led to this phenomenon, it hasn’t converted to more senior numbers.

If the league wants to remain as a powerful league then that long term work has to be done. They need to do serious strategy work with any club that doesn’t have a solid supply of juniors. Because if they don’t, they’re only going one way at senior level eventually.

 

[Pendles1991]

I feel like a lot of people are talking about Bayswater in regards to struggling on field, but Norwood aren't much better off. There slide is close to on par with Bayswater. Being a strong premier division club and now barely holding on in div 1, I don't see there fortunes changing any time soon

 

[adock]

How exactly are Bayswater in serious trouble? I mean if they get relegated so be it?

Relegation will be the best thing for them. Div 2 is still great football and they should be able to regroup. The problem is both Baysy and Norwood have been paddling for years and only 1 of them can get relegated.