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Not while the ball is live in the area. There is also no way that was warming up.

I agree completely. I'd also add that we have players standing in the line that look like they are trying to get in each others way. Has * all to do with what I posted though.

That's your take away?

If australia had their whole bench on the field before a try was scored there would be hell to play. Underdogs to it and it's fine though.

Do they usually give out silver medals at this sort of thing?

I know you were responding to a pretty silly post, but what a dumb thing to say.

Unfortunately each ref seems to bring their own technicalities to the breakdown. Consistently needs to be found, and sadly we see such inconsistency in one game, let alone across a tournament.

Carter didn't make it look too difficult with his success rate tonight. Regardless, the obvious argument to your point is to suggest that crossing the line is a far more difficult skill, so it is less about reducing the reward for kicking, and more about increasing the reward for scoring a try.

I do. No idea how the difficulty of a kick changes what I am saying one iota though. Has nothing to do with my argument.

They seemed to drop at exactly the same time.

IRB badly need to decrease the value of kicks. Reward tries more than milking penalties given by refs that just want to be in the spotlight, and drop goals that should just be the icing on the cake.

And with one line out so much good work is undone.

Coaching staff has big faith in the bench. It's good to see.

We need all out attack * this kicking off and run it.

The try or the card?

Nah. I'll watch him kick it if you don't mind.

* yes Pocock. Scoring right at the start of the sin bin so we have the rest of the time to try to use it. Needed that badly.

What else are you trying to do when you lift a leg like that?

FFS.

Did we just get away with a forward pass?

Finally a score that didn't have an Owens hand in it.

Very true. It's just a shame that those poor decisions have made such a decisive impact on the scoreboard rather than the superior play.

The AB team themselves are actually quite likable. It's the rest of the kiwis that make it easy to hate them.

Disgrace. On field and and sideline should have seen that with one eye closed.

Pass was forward.

I miss the days where the aim was running the ball over the line. The over officiating and scoring from kicks has sucked so much of the running game from what we once saw.

As long as he is consistent. There are so many tackles in a game that are as "late" as that. Could be a lot of penalties called now the precedent had been set.

That's a bad call. Carter went all soccer player and milked it.

Needed that badly.

Probably similar to what they will do to us if we get through based on tonights performance.