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Player Watch #20: Ivan Maric

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tigerninja said:
Hampson compete athletically with nic nat? um, what?
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He can compete athletically far better than Maric can, he has a good vertical leap, compared to almost no leap from Ivan and much faster leg speed too.
Not saying he would have beaten NicNat, but he would have helped to nullify him, especially when NitNat doesn't do that much around the ground either, similar to Hampson

Hampson has always been an athlete first and a ruckman 2nd
 
Infamy said:
He can compete athletically far better than Maric can, he has a good vertical leap, compared to almost no leap from Ivan and much faster leg speed too.
Not saying he would have beaten NicNat, but he would have helped to nullify him, especially when NitNat doesn't do that much around the ground either, similar to Hampson

Hampson has always been an athlete first and a ruckman 2nd
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NicNat doesn't do much around the ground? What?

You suggest Hampson could help nullify him but I completely disagree with that.
 
tigerninja said:
NicNat doesn't do much around the ground? What?

You suggest Hampson could help nullify him but I completely disagree with that.
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Even if Hampson was just told to follow Nit Nat around the ground for the entire game, he would have done a better job than Maric because he has more physical attributes to keep up with him. How is that so hard to comprehend?
 

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Infamy said:
Even if Hampson was just told to follow Nit Nat around the ground for the entire game, he would have done a better job than Maric because he has more physical attributes to keep up with him. How is that so hard to comprehend?
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You're making it sound like there would have been a contest and I believe that wouldn't be the case, comprehend that I disagree with you, k?
 
tigerninja said:
You're making it sound like there would have been a contest and I believe that wouldn't be the case, comprehend that I disagree with you, k?
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I'm just a little tired of the whole writing off of the bloke, he'd been playing well at VFL level
Looks like he wasn't available to play anyway last night as he's not playing for the VFL team today
 
Infamy said:
I'm just a little tired of the whole writing off of the bloke, he'd been playing well at VFL level
Looks like he wasn't available to play anyway last night as he's not playing for the VFL team today
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I haven't entirely written him off, probably because haven't seen him play for so long, but, I just disagree and think he'd have no influence on nicnat in comparison to Ivan.
 
Maric is great when he is pitted against a big ruckman, but is out of his depth when pitted against a mobile ruckman who can jump.
As stupid as it sounds, Hampson would have been a better match-up for Natanui last night.
 
Roachy8 said:
About to shoot bambi here...

This is not just about last night & I know Ivan has had to combat Sandilands and Naitanui in successive games which is very tough but plenty have been saying he 'needs a rest' for a few weeks now and boy... he really was lumbering last night, even when Nic Nat was nowhere near him.

We have loved his work for the past few years and he still does do the odd inspirational thing but he will be 30 next year so the question is, can we push for a flag with Ivan as our number one ruck?
& if not... will Hampson take us there? Soldo? :eek:

Vickery and Griff are both capable 2nd rucks but to win big games, finals games you almost always need a really dominant ruckman for the centre bounce and around stoppages.

IMO forget Dangerfield or whoever else might still be around - the doozy we desperately need to find is a quality ruckman in his mid 20's.

come at me....
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Must have read my post in the Hartley thread.

Luey or Kruze for mine.
 
johnno77 said:
Definitely need to improve our ruck depth. I'd be going after Kruezer if he looks to be over his injuries.

Ivvy has been an absolute gun for us but too much is being asked of him. He wasn't alone in being beaten last night. I can't think of a single player who won their position.
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Dusty was the only 1 I think. Agree with the rest.
 
Infamy said:
We probably should have rested Ivan last night and brought in Hampson to go up against Naitanui
Usually Ivan can make up for it around the ground, but he was a bit of a witches hat against West Coast
I know that he had the week off in the bye, but I would have preferred that he had a real freshen up before the 2nd half of the season and used Hampson who could have competed athletically with NicNat.
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Maric has always been iffy against those rucks that really jump high, which was why we got Hampson. He has done better of late, but he is tiring again now, so Hampson may get a run. Maric isn't providing anything around the ground right now.
 

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theflea said:
Maric has always been iffy against those rucks that really jump high, which was why we got Hampson. He has done better of late, but he is tiring again now, so Hampson may get a run. Maric isn't providing anything around the ground right now.
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Hampson hasn't even played VFL the last couple of weeks. Injured I think.

I reckon we draw a line through Hampson and focus on getting another ruckman in the off season. I don't like bagging Richmond players but he is rubbish.
 
johnno77 said:
Hampson hasn't even played VFL the last couple of weeks. Injured I think.

I reckon we draw a line through Hampson and focus on getting another ruckman in the off season. I don't like bagging Richmond players but he is rubbish.
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I agree with getting another ruck, but he can be a back up now.
 
I Rock said:
A much as getting Kruzer would be ok, not only would it potentially cost too much (even if Carlton do look to move him on, they are not going to just give the bloke away after investing so much into the him), you can't bank on a bloke with a medical history to rival Bruce Reid's to hold down the number 1 ruck spot for multiple seasons.
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He s FA
 
I think thay the homework should have been done last night about nicnat. To be fair it looked like no homework was done on WCE. The stoppages should have been set up for us to lose. Maric should have been told that all he hast to do is just half the contests but has to be damaging around the ground or drag nicnat to the backline and force him to defend. Better communication with vickery and griff could have allowed this to happen.
 

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SplintWhisky said:
I think thay the homework should have been done last night about nicnat. To be fair it looked like no homework was done on WCE. The stoppages should have been set up for us to lose. Maric should have been told that all he hast to do is just half the contests but has to be damaging around the ground or drag nicnat to the backline and force him to defend. Better communication with vickery and griff could have allowed this to happen.
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I like Ivan. But we need a better ruckman.

I would take a punt and get Kruezer. Good age bracket. Play in tandem with Maric.
 
Wish we had someone like Brodie Grundy. Such a good ruck for his age.
Do we have any developing Rucks apart from Soldo?
If Maric can't keep up next week then I'd be happy to see Hampson against GWS or Carlton.
 
Joker91 said:
Everyone saying we should of rested Maric. You do realise we had the bye the week before? If the bloke needs a rest after a bye, he may as well hang the boots up now.
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Ruck is a very physical position and Maric is getting older. Having a couple of weeks off running into other 100-120kg players at every stoppage could have had him nice and fresh for the 2nd half of the year.
 
Fully agree we need Hampson into the team. To give Ivy a rest for a few weeks and also to start getting some ascendency in the contests at ball ups. With our midfield if we had that advantage or broke even more we'd get better results.

Hampson has been forgotten about and left to rot in the reserves. I think we need to absolutely simplify the game for him. Go his hardest at ruck duels, then tag opposition ruckman around the ground. Force a contents. He's athletically good enough to compete.

I love Ivan. He's a warrior. But that end is coming up quicker than people realise.
 
Tigerbob said:
Fully agree we need Hampson into the team. To give Ivy a rest for a few weeks and also to start getting some ascendency in the contests at ball ups. With our midfield if we had that advantage or broke even more we'd get better results.

Hampson has been forgotten about and left to rot in the reserves. I think we need to absolutely simplify the game for him. Go his hardest at ruck duels, then tag opposition ruckman around the ground. Force a contents. He's athletically good enough to compete.

I love Ivan. He's a warrior. But that end is coming up quicker than people realise.
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I agree in regards to giving Hampson ago.Against a Mummy less GWS and Carl would be ideal.
 

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