List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[MJ_Dogs]

The more Ahern and Laverde climb the draft rankings the better our chances of landing Wright or better yet one of them if they are so good

 

[fronkalicious]

thanks for the reminding

we were defending horribly though, around the midfield
kept giving them the space to run into and once they had that, couldn't catch them

they'll probably use it to get Beams though, a sure thing


there is footage of him up on Youtube actually

was a bit quiet when he went back to the Jets as well, took a massive mark one week though
has a whole bag of tricks

Thanks man. Im not big on highlights though. Haven't seen any of the kids play live.

 

[Dav1d]

Thanks man. Im not big on highlights though. Haven't seen any of the kids play live.

I've seen him live, he is a very risky player

I sometimes wonder how much of what he is doing is luck
and what has he done intentionally

Would be strange to see us pick him though, even though you weren't suggesting that

haven't seen him really perform in the midfield though, he is a creative sort of player
with decent skills but will give any supporter heart attacks if that is how he risky he plays

 

[fronkalicious]

I've seen him live, he is a very risky player

I sometimes wonder how much of what he is doing is luck
and what has he done intentionally

Would be strange to see us pick him though, even though you weren't suggesting that

haven't seen him really perform in the midfield though, he is a creative sort of player
with decent skills but will give any supporter heart attacks if that is how he risky he plays

we need more risk in the way we play. Still far too many short kicks and handballs sideways and not nearly enough taking the game on.

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

I wouldnt be at all surprised if Laverde jumped into the top 3.

I doubt if Laverde will be a bolter, the word he is still struggling a little to overcome an injury that kept him out of the finals. If he can't show his stuff at the combine he may drop a little. Ahern could be a climber though, he was the best of the Cannons in the GF.

Wright might also drop a place or two, his knee injuryis likely to keep him from doing anything at the combine.

 

[goodcop badcop]

Leverde couldn't really string two good games together for the year, not even in the TAC. It would be a very big call if he was to go top 3.

 

[Mutt]

I doubt if Laverde will be a bolter, the word he is still struggling a little to overcome an injury that kept him out of the finals. If he can't show his stuff at the combine he may drop a little. Ahern could be a climber though, he was the best of the Cannons in the GF.

Wright might also drop a place or two, his knee injuryis likely to keep him from doing anything at the combine.

Yes it sounds like there is a bit of love around for Ahern Bulldogsnm1. How do you rate him?

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

Good player, played particularly well in the 2nd half of the GF last week, not totally convinced about his disposal, tends to kick long and Sunday I thought a couple of his kicks would hit the roof they went that high. They did cover 50 metres but the hang time was more that of a NFL punter.

Personally rate him just outside the top 10.

 

[VitalDread]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-26/live-watch-the-nab-afl-all-stars-match-from-the-mcg
All star game on at 9:55

 

[Dav1d]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-26/live-watch-the-nab-afl-all-stars-match-from-the-mcg
All star game on at 9:55

Hope Wizard17 is watching this to

 

[go you pups]

Wright is a MUCH better prospect than Ayce was a the same time. Wright is already at his AFL weight and will just tone up and lose skin folds. Ayce had to put on 20kgs and lost all that made him an asset in the first place. Wright for me is exactly what we need and will be a Reiwoldt style hard running CHF. His leads and footy smarts are fantastic, the only knock on him is his aggression around the ball and his obvious lack of skill below the knees.

We should be putting all our money into Carlisle or Tom Boyd as they come out of contract. We need them at FF and then someone like Redpath playing angry 3rd tall. If we were to snag Reid I'd be pushing him into CHB with Talia playing a rebounding role and Roberts swinging back and forth.

Wright is 6 foot 8 though, he is ruck size not forward size. Riewoldt is 6 foot 4 and is probably the greatest endurance key forward to ever play the game, only Richo who is 6 foot 5 could rival him in that aspect.

6 foot 8 screams to me of what's his best position and when will he dominate games even if he is well developed already. Kreuzer dominated TAC cup as a big developed kid, but when he's out there playing you couldn't say whether his best position is ruck or forward yet when he hasn't been injured.

Also if we go for him at 6 will he still be there? Imo trading is the safest bet at the moment when you know there's likely exits in Higgins and Jones, and we have deficiencies in our key forward and rebounding defender stocks, areas where these two play. Our midfield is great atm, we don't need a finisher yet, we need a kicking skills coach (get Gilbee at the club) instead of drafting a kid with good skills.

We need to go for someone now in this window, we should be loaded up with 2nd rounders if the exits occur and I'll back Dalrymple in finding likely tyes there in the 25-40 range. I'm in the trade pick 6 camp. If it was pick 3-4 I'd be confident with taking it to the draft but as Beams will require pick 4/5 & Melbourne are rumoured to be making a play for Dangerfield or Tom Mitchell. GWS also want pick 1 (Petracca) and they have enough to satisfy St Kilda to get it done, then St Kilda gets pick 3/4 and both Petracca and Brayshaw are gone by then who knows what we get at 6? Durdin? We already have Roberts who seems to have the same attributes as Durdin, would rather develop a KPD from the rookie list or take with a 2nd/3rd rounder.

I just think with other clubs around us on the ladder in Brisbane and Carlton being openly aggressive we need to be too also, otherwise we'll be 7-15 again with Melbourne and St Kilda catching up to us and GWS, Brisbane and Carlton going ahead.

The last 4 years have been excellent in the drafts with Wallis, Libba, Dahlhaus, Smith, Talia, Roberts, Dickson, Campbell, Johanissen, Jong, Macrae, Stringer, Hrovat, Hunter, Bontempelli and Honeychurch. Only Smith, Macrae, Stringer and Bontempelli were top 20 picks that's only 4 out of the 16 and all of these players are required. I have confidence in finding who we need in the 2nd and 3rd rounds this draft and pick 6 with the current uncertainty of who needs who above us should be traded for either a gun KPF prospect or a package of say 2 lower 1st rounders or 2 promising prospects or a player and pick etc.

 

[Wizard17]

My bad. Slept in. anyone really stand out? I'll watch it later.

 

[Wizard17]

Thought it would be. Have always had favorites down there in Tassie hopefully he gets picked up somewhere.

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[Millay]

Volume gathering mid with good skills and can play as a half forward if needed. Has been playing TSL for two years so in likelihood he'd make an immediate impact at afl level. Not nearly as skinny as what Templeton was.

About 184cm, 74kg

Would love him if Drummond didn't get through to the rookie draft.

29 possessions in curtain raiser match today

My bad. Slept in. anyone really stand out? I'll watch it later.

Cockatoo from NT was player of the match - he's an exciting player, Lachie Weller was a standout as was Caleb Hislop - the top possession getter for the game with 29. Heeney and Steele were good as well.

 

[timtamWB]

Players are getting taller. Josh Kennedy could have been a ruck man back in the day. Wright's height is an asset not a hindrance.

 

[Wizard17]

Sounds good those boys from division two needed to have a bit more exposure. Sounds like a success. Haven't watched much of Cockatoo hopefully he gets s go somewhere. Doesn't surprise me that Hislop got that much footy he really knows where to go to find it.

29 possessions in curtain raiser match today


Cockatoo from NT was player of the match - he's an exciting player, Lachie Weller was a standout as was Caleb Hislop - the top possession getter for the game with 29. Heeney and Steele were good as well.

 

[go you pups]

Players are getting taller. Josh Kennedy could have been a ruck man back in the day. Wright's height is an asset not a hindrance.

It's a hinderence imo, only Tippett, Rory Thompson and Carlisle are the KPPs that are any good at over 200cm in this current day. Roughy is 200/201 but he ain't that good.

Standard KPP height for a forward is 194-198cm think Patton, Hawkins, Cloke, Josh Kennedy here and defenders it's 192-197cm, Grundy is one of the best defenders in the league, he's only 192. If you're over 200cm as a KPP you have to be quick and powerful and have some agility, most of them don't so are only good as rucks or ruck/fwds who bring the ball to ground and look for mismatches when resting.

 

[Some Idiot]

It's a hinderence imo, only Tippett, Rory Thompson and Carlisle are the KPPs that are any good at over 200cm in this current day. Roughy is 200/201 but he ain't that good.

Standard KPP height for a forward is 194-198cm think Patton, Hawkins, Cloke, Josh Kennedy here and defenders it's 192-197cm, Grundy is one of the best defenders in the league, he's only 192. If you're over 200cm as a KPP you have to be quick and powerful and have some agility, most of them don't so are only good as rucks or ruck/fwds who bring the ball to ground and look for mismatches when resting.

Highly rated forwards drafted in recent years:
Jonathan Patton: 197cm
Jesse Hogan: 195cm
Joe Daniher: 201cm
Thomas Boyd: 200cm

There's definitely a trend of recruiters looking for the big 197-202cm type for their key forward.

 

[timtamWB]

It's a hinderence imo, only Tippett, Rory Thompson and Carlisle are the KPPs that are any good at over 200cm in this current day. Roughy is 200/201 but he ain't that good.

Standard KPP height for a forward is 194-198cm think Patton, Hawkins, Cloke, Josh Kennedy here and defenders it's 192-197cm, Grundy is one of the best defenders in the league, he's only 192. If you're over 200cm as a KPP you have to be quick and powerful and have some agility, most of them don't so are only good as rucks or ruck/fwds who bring the ball to ground and look for mismatches when resting.

We'll forget Joe Daniher then? Tom Boyd? Not to mention a few others.

The point is that the young KPF's and KPD's that are coming through are getting taller. Hawkins, Cloke, Kennedy, none of these guys are overly young. As for Grundy, he's almost out the door and he's spent a lifetime being undersized, similar to Morris, and has crafted the ability to be an amazing defender despite his limitations.

And even if Peter Wright becomes a ruck/forward, we're screaming out for one of those as well. There's no real downside.

 

[Testekill]

It's a hinderence imo, only Tippett, Rory Thompson and Carlisle are the KPPs that are any good at over 200cm in this current day. Roughy is 200/201 but he ain't that good.

Gonna have to stop you there.

 

[12Chill]

Was reading this thread... I think it was go you pups that said Wright is too big for a KPF.

That is possibly the most bullsh1t comment I've ever heard lol. Since when can you be too TALL to be a KPF? You can be too short but tall?

He's the same height as Kurt Tippett and Wright isn't even just a full forward, he's a running CHF, with extra height and wingspan, if Wright fulfills his potential he'll be almost impossible to stop. Height is not a problem? It's not like he's a slow uncoordinated ruckman...

Just my two cents... Too tall... Lol.

 

[12Chill]

And Wright is a natural forward as his first position and ruck second. Don't be fooled by what you think is 'ruckman height'. (200cm+).

The way people talk about height in today's game is so stupid lol. It gets to a point where your height doesn't matter, it's how you play the position.

 

[go you pups]

Highly rated forwards drafted in recent years:
Jonathan Patton: 197cm
Jesse Hogan: 195cm
Joe Daniher: 201cm
Thomas Boyd: 200cm

There's definitely a trend of recruiters looking for the big 197-202cm type for their key forward.

Patton and Hogan are in the range I listed, Boyd and Daniher have had to play relief ruck at times

 

[Unorth]

I think we must absolutely go for Wright. For once, the Dogs are in a position to draft a highly talented, huge KPF. This opportunity doesn't come around for many clubs all that often, least of all the Dogs. If we can get Wright, develop him, have him as our Key Forward for years...The KPF curse that has plagued the Dogs for so long could disappear. If that means trading up to do so, then fine. Replacing a midfielder is far less harder than landing a talented KPP such as Wright.

 

[Cori]

It's a hinderence imo, only Tippett, Rory Thompson and Carlisle are the KPPs that are any good at over 200cm in this current day. Roughy is 200/201 but he ain't that good.

Standard KPP height for a forward is 194-198cm think Patton, Hawkins, Cloke, Josh Kennedy here and defenders it's 192-197cm, Grundy is one of the best defenders in the league, he's only 192. If you're over 200cm as a KPP you have to be quick and powerful and have some agility, most of them don't so are only good as rucks or ruck/fwds who bring the ball to ground and look for mismatches when resting.

I get what you're saying but I'll assume you haven't seen Wright, he turns and moves like someone 10cm shorter than him. His burst pace while not that great is enough to see him lose his defender and take a grab arms out front. That is his bread and butter and he leads to the right spots. He has a freakish beep test score for someone his size and once he gets a couple of preseasons. He'll likely be an animal.

If I was to call it early, he reminds me a little of Dean Cox with the agility of Barry Hall.