2023/2024 Gold Coast Draft & Trade periods

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Iva Bigun said:
Once again what does this have to do with the poor development and fire sale of multiple top 10 picks? Our list management has been appalling but for some reason you cannot acknowledge it But want to preach that others that do see it must hate the club.
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Because it proves my point that not every player develops under a certain environment. Where they were drafted does not matter when it comes to valuing them unless they've only been playing for 2 seasons.
Im sick of this, oh they where a top 10 pick we deserve more for them, you value you them on their form and ability. Brodie, 2mp, Bowes all have not played at anywhere near a high standard for us, so their value was minimal.
 
Supersuns said:
The only trade I've had an issue with to this point was Lyons delisting.
2MP was pathetic in 2019, a first year KPF in King showed more in 4 games then 2MP did in 3 seasons, had no issue letting him go, glad he playing well for Essendon but he was embarrassingly soft for us.
Brodie didn't take a hold of any opportunities given to him, yes we probably should of gave him more inside mid appearances but football doesn't work that way. So once again, huge salary and an underperforming player, little bit of a over correction but not club ruining.
Rankine is leaving for money, Sharp is homesick, Scrimshaw was a pathetic excuse for a footballer here so tacking those on is a joke.
Bowes isn't best 22, if we can clear that salary and it helps us attract top 22 talent and re-sign our young guns im all for it.
We haven't had a player want out because he didn't want to be here for ages, we are clearly improving as a club and a team. But once again it's too hard to judge these deals this early imo, if the club falls apart in the next 2 seasons then sure, we've *ed this up. Until then, I'll reserve judgement.
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Disagree with Wright.

His game is pretty limited
1. get in front and lead at the ball - difficult for defenders to get around his big frame.
2. Mark or draw a free kick
3. Excellent set shot for goal.

He has major deficiencies which are still there.

Over the past 2 years he hasn’t morphed into some newly skilled player, he has just continued to work on his strengths and kicked 50+ goals and won a club b+f in doing so.

Despite those deficiencies a 23 year old tall forward who was good for 1.2 - 1.5 goals a game, had shown capacity to have semi regular games with multiple goals and 6+ marks should be worth more than a throw away 4th round pick.


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Our old friend wrote this, and I agree with most of it.

If we played him instead of Day in 2020, I dare say he would have kicked 35+ goals and even if we wanted to get rid of him at that point would have commanded a decent bit more

We literally just dumped these guys without any care for what we got in return.
 
The Kings Ransom said:
Disagree with Wright.

His game is pretty limited
1. get in front and lead at the ball - difficult for defenders to get around his big frame.
2. Mark or draw a free kick
3. Excellent set shot for goal.

He has major deficiencies which are still there.

Over the past 2 years he hasn’t morphed into some newly skilled player, he has just continued to work on his strengths and kicked 50+ goals and won a club b+f in doing so.

Despite those deficiencies a 23 year old tall forward who was good for 1.2 - 1.5 goals a game, had shown capacity to have semi regular games with multiple goals and 6+ marks should be worth more than a throw away 4th round pick.


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Peter Wright is about to become the prettiest girl at the dance

The Gold Coast Suns' fiery centre half forward, Peter Wright, is a player who divides opinion. Fans point to his best performances as evidence…
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Our old friend wrote this, and I agree with most of it.

If we played him instead of Day in 2020, I dare say he would have kicked 35+ goals and even if we wanted to get rid of him at that point would have commanded a decent bit more

We literally just dumped these guys without any care for what we got in return.
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Don't under-estimate the benefit of playing a lot of games under the roof at Marvel. Really helps Wright imo.

The other factor with him and Brodie is how much did getting traded improve their motivation. These kids will have been pumped up since they were juniors, maybe they just expected success to happen when drafted and simply didn't work hard enough? Effectively getting sacked from the Suns might have just given them the kick up the bum they needed.
 

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Supersuns said:
You think Richmond are crying because Chol is playing so well for us but didn't for them?
Give me a spell, this happens at every club. Different environments suit different players, some people just develop better under different coaches etc.
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Watch Bowes have a better year then brodie did.

Once he finally gets his primary role of midfielder not a back pocket under Dew.
 
The Kings Ransom said:
Disagree with Wright.

His game is pretty limited
1. get in front and lead at the ball - difficult for defenders to get around his big frame.
2. Mark or draw a free kick
3. Excellent set shot for goal.

He has major deficiencies which are still there.

Over the past 2 years he hasn’t morphed into some newly skilled player, he has just continued to work on his strengths and kicked 50+ goals and won a club b+f in doing so.

Despite those deficiencies a 23 year old tall forward who was good for 1.2 - 1.5 goals a game, had shown capacity to have semi regular games with multiple goals and 6+ marks should be worth more than a throw away 4th round pick.


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Peter Wright is about to become the prettiest girl at the dance

The Gold Coast Suns' fiery centre half forward, Peter Wright, is a player who divides opinion. Fans point to his best performances as evidence…
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Our old friend wrote this, and I agree with most of it.

If we played him instead of Day in 2020, I dare say he would have kicked 35+ goals and even if we wanted to get rid of him at that point would have commanded a decent bit more

We literally just dumped these guys without any care for what we got in return.
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Maybe you're right, but his form from 2019 was so bad that we weren't getting much more in return. The 2MP hate on here in 2019 was real and since then there has been a bit of selective remembering to how good he was here. People acting like he was playing well for us.
 
Supersuns said:
Maybe you're right, but his form from 2019 was so bad that we weren't getting much more in return. The 2MP hate on here in 2019 was real and since then there has been a bit of selective remembering to how good he was here. People acting like he was playing well for us.
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Yeah, I think he is clearly a confidence player
We were at literally our lowest ebb
He won 3 games with a % of 60% in 2019. Our team and in particular our midfield was utter dogshit. Best and Fairest DMac 3rd, Miles 7th, Hanley 8th, Hombsch 10th, LOL!

He was 22 years old.
Pretty difficult ask to play particularly well in that circumstance.
I think he deserved more chance in 2020 to show whether in slightly better team he could do anything. Anyway, it is what it is, I just don't understand some of the decisions from the past.
 
Yeeted Suns said:
I find revisionism incredibly boring personally.
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The Kings Ransom said:
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Preview - 2023 Best 22

I really hope I'm wrong because I like him, but I'm getting a (albeit less dickheady ) Jack Watts vibe about him All the tools but just unable to use them to their full potentialHe's a weapon but you can't rely on him, personally I want him in the back lines swap him and Andrew, let Andrew just...
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I live in the present only! Give me my dopamine hit.
 

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The Kings Ransom said:
Disagree with Wright.

His game is pretty limited
1. get in front and lead at the ball - difficult for defenders to get around his big frame.
2. Mark or draw a free kick
3. Excellent set shot for goal.

He has major deficiencies which are still there.

Over the past 2 years he hasn’t morphed into some newly skilled player, he has just continued to work on his strengths and kicked 50+ goals and won a club b+f in doing so.

Despite those deficiencies a 23 year old tall forward who was good for 1.2 - 1.5 goals a game, had shown capacity to have semi regular games with multiple goals and 6+ marks should be worth more than a throw away 4th round pick.


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Peter Wright is about to become the prettiest girl at the dance

The Gold Coast Suns' fiery centre half forward, Peter Wright, is a player who divides opinion. Fans point to his best performances as evidence…
www.theroar.com.au

Our old friend wrote this, and I agree with most of it.

If we played him instead of Day in 2020, I dare say he would have kicked 35+ goals and even if we wanted to get rid of him at that point would have commanded a decent bit more

We literally just dumped these guys without any care for what we got in return.
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Tom Hawkins has a great career of leading upto the ball for a chest mark and 50m goals.

And not much else really 600 odd goals
 
Ben Drever said:
Watch Bowes have a better year then brodie did.

Once he finally gets his primary role of midfielder not a back pocket under Dew.
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Bowes as a midfielder is a myth in my opinion.
He's slow and has no peripheral awareness.
He's a straight ahead player IMO who may make a decent half back -but he's 25 in January-not sure he's shown he's ready for the next step up
Happy if he proves me wrong, but obviously the Club has had to do some major housekeeping to try and get everything under control
It's not pretty and like others I hope it doesn't reflect in the players we're trying to retain seeing it as a lack of loyalty which would maybe give them pause when thinking about re-signing.
 
Supersuns said:
Because it proves my point that not every player develops under a certain environment. Where they were drafted does not matter when it comes to valuing them unless they've only been playing for 2 seasons.
Im sick of this, oh they where a top 10 pick we deserve more for them, you value you them on their form and ability. Brodie, 2mp, Bowes all have not played at anywhere near a high standard for us, so their value was minimal.
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Why did they not play to their ability, they have proven they can play since leaving. If any point has been proven it’s that the Suns failed to develop these elite players and then sold them for next to no return., you basically say it yourself above
 
Iva Bigun said:
Why did they not play to their ability, they have proven they can play since leaving. If any point has been proven it’s that the Suns failed to develop these elite players and then sold them for next to no return., you basically say it yourself above
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There is no point even arguing with you because you are steadfast in what you believe that you refuse to see any other point than your own one. Hopefully when we win a flag with this group you find some positives out of it instead of nothing but negatives like you do 👍
 
Iva Bigun said:
How is everyone feeling about the Bowes and pick seven deal now a week after it was leaked? This was obviously done to give Suns fans a chance to come to terms with it prior to the actual event. For me at least it highlights the ongoing incompetence of our trades team, something I’m sure many of you have heard me say before and some disagree with.
But regardless of anyones opinion this trade is a seminal event in AFL trading. No one has thrown away so much without even being asked to do so before, it’s the ultimate closing down sale where everything must go. Will it prove to be genius who knows but considering the Brodie, 2MP and Scrimshaw deals and the overpaying of players he now wants to shed I have no faith in Cameron.
Some people on here will point out that these players were surplus to our needs, and with some justification but the evidence shows that we did not develop these players and that their status as surplus was due to our own mismanagement not a lack of talent, they have proven to be best 22 and arguably top 10 players at their new teams and Cameron gave them away after Dew failed to see their quite obvious abilities, a failure in every sense.
Now some of you will berate me for negativity and talk about team improvement and culture and there is no doubt I tend to dwell on the more critical mistakes our club makes but surely even the most optimistic person has to be frustrated with the deals done and about to be done.

Finally let me pose a possibility, the treatment of Bowes may very well damage the much celebrated culture, what if Noah and or Rowell decide it’s not a culture they want to be in or simply do a Rankine next year? The fire sale embarked on over the past few years will of left the club with without Rankine, Sharp, Scrimshaw, 2MP, Brodie, Bowes, pick 7, Pick 19 ( potentially Noah and or Rowell) and very little to show for it in return, this should make some long suffering Suns fans nervous as deep down in the recesses of your mind you know while it’s unlikely it has Suns management written all over it.
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My question to you would be who the players you mentioned would replace in our best 22? Obviously, we would like to keep Rankine but the rest, none of them in my opinion would be best 22 except possibly Scrimshaw but he was a home crying baby and I still prefer watching Farrar over him.

You seem always ignore a couple of points.

1. We got as concessions equivalent of approx. 12 1st and 2nd round picks (in my assessment) in the last 3 years. Just this fact alone completely de-valued how Suns view and use picks. And opposition teams are not stupid and exploit the Suns situation when dealing with Suns. But you still view Suns as a normal club that should value every pick as gold which is IMO unrealistic.

How many more first round picks would you like to bring into the team? The more the better? It's pretty well known that all those picks come with 350-400K tag starting year 3. We got I believe 9 at the moment and if you keep them, they will demand increase. Did we bring enough top talent to our list already? I believe so.

Do you believe we would still be offering pick 7 if we did not receive all those pick concessions and did not bring all those extra players? No other team comes even close to our unique situation in the last 3 years regarding concessions.

Sorting out the talent, who is our future core and pushing out not best 22 (depth) on good money is a logical step. It came 1-2 years earlier than I expected. Obviously, we as fans agree/disagree who is the best 22 and who should go and who should stay. Bringing more draft top talent only to see them leave 2-3 years later is never ending cycle (see GWS).

2. You also completely ignore the fact that we had to come up with 1.5M savings due to covid cap cut. Bowes average salary over 5 years is not 850K, I am pretty sure. When we re-signed Bowes he looked promising and the club also did not know that we get concessions and players like Anderson, Flanders will join us as extra, we get Hollands, and we get for free Davies who are groomed as best 22. Does it suck for Bowes after doing a favour to the club and do I feel for him? Yes, but IMO he is not best 22 and it will be actually good for him to move on like Fiorini, 2MP, Brodie. By the way, team leaders are on board with this strategy according to the club. If true, our team leaders must be stupid too?

Looking at our best 22, I am excited. We got probably our best shot in our history to play finals next year. I could not care less how we got there.

Creating cap space to potentially attract 1-2 top players and have money to re-sign key core players? Sorting out depth? Yes, please. None of players leaving is in my best 22 except Rankine.

Did we over-pay in the past? No doubt. Otherwise, we would lose more players in the past most probably. Do we try to change this practice? Are we willing to let some players go rather than to over-pay them? It does look like looking at Rankine case. We don't work in the same environment as Victoria teams. So, odds are always against us and unless we play finals we still be significantly disadvantaged.

Considering that nobody left we wanted to keep in the last 3 years (except Rankine now) it's a success in my opinion, and it does reflect positively on culture and environment at the club.

By the way, every year there are plenty of teams with players leaving they would prefer to keep and also teams pushing players out. Our list is loaded and close to playing finals.

No doubt some mistakes were made, and I do question some decisions and team selections and strategies as all fans do. E.g., Atkins deals seems obvious failure or let's say drafting McLennan. On the other hand, a lot of teams have similar cases, most teams don't get it correct 100% of times.

I don't mind that you post repetitive and constantly negative views, but it would be nice if you could see sometimes positive things happening within the club for change. If you really believe that the club is a joke and most people at the club are incompetent as you often mention, and you know better, I can only say, good luck to you. It must not be easy to be a supporter for you.

I don't think anything will change your negative views. Just don't expect that everybody will agree with you and confirm your views. But I do wonder what happens if Suns play finals.
Supersuns said:
Thats a horrendous trade for Brisbane, what is the point of that.
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Something like Extra 440 points? Preparing ground for other trades?
 
ajhgcs said:
Bowes doesn't want to extend the money any further at the Suns and we can't guarantee him starting midfield time so he wants to leave.

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Won’t this happen when he gets to Geelong? They will extend the life of his 1.6 over more years?
 
Ben Drever said:
Watch Bowes have a better year then brodie did.

Once he finally gets his primary role of midfielder not a back pocket under Dew.
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Instead of Bowes we’d be having this same convo with Rowell instead
 
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