Autopsy 2025 Rd 16 Blues Consistent ... ly poor

[Smegger]

People voting for silvagni? Embarrassing, switched off georgiades. Gave away multiple frees to esava. Checked out. Weak and slow last week too. Hes a three year deal max 500 otherwise let him go.

Your post is embarrassing.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

My view is that clean up the low hanging fruit and the list and fix the assistant coaches - before throwing Voss on to the trash heap - unless you've got a much better option up your sleeve- he is way down the pecking order as far as what ails Carlton goes.

I said earlier today, I don't want Voss out... yet

I'd prefer if we got some proper assistants around him and a senior tactical advisor.

Then let him see out next year, let's see what he's got. Then make the decision.

But there's just no way I can see Voss surviving with these kinds of losses building up.

 

[MPH78]

We talk about this a lot, but what do we think is actually broken?

We’ve brought in different types of presidents, we’ve tried the sack coaches because we have high expectations. We tried the green shouts rebuild from the ground. We’ve tried stability the last 3-4 years.

We’ve had people like Swann and now Cook who are well esteemed come into the club - they haven’t been able to fix it.

From the outside looking in, the cancerous ‘power brokers’ seem to have less power than ever.

Any thoughts?

To quote Terry from blueabroad “financially thriving, spiritually bankrupt”.

From WAY outside, I’d say the club’s immediate priorities should be:

1. Football
2. Football
3. Football

ALL facets of the football department need significant improvement and/or change. Have accepted mediocrity for way too long.

Fix football and the onfield and see just how big a juggernaut we can be.

Don’t treat us for fools and take us for granted. Modern Carlton really has delivered us little.

If I’m GW there’d be a New Footy Director. New Footy Mgr. New Head Coach and Assistant Coaches. Bolstered LM Team. Bolstered VFL and Development program.

Eyeball ALL players especially our high paid stars and call out their BS. Implement high performance standards and hold them to account. No more tail wagging the dog. Drop underperforming players especially stars. Make statements, stand for something.

All focus should be on fixing football and the onfield. Do whatever we have to to consistently win football matches and become a perennial contender. All we are really are perennial pretenders.

Where we are now is completely unacceptable and there MUST be immediate material change in key roles.

 

[JustaBattler]

The only bit that Voss has let himself down on is standards which is important. Game plan is fine so long as players can execute more often than not which they don’t and is on them. Leg speed is a furphy. The greatest players in almost every era weren’t blessed with speed of foot, rather speed of mind and ball use by foot and hand.

He let himself down rushing Cerra and Cottrell back last season when we were playing well. He doubled down on that with the team he picked for the Brisbane final last year. He should have held McKay, Walsh and Curnow back at the start of this year and he most definitely should have dropped Doc and Gov earlier this year.

That said the biggest failure in standards resides with the board. They are a joke. More worried about membership $$$ and woke social feel good programs. The club has been sabotaged by bad actors more worried about improving or enhancing their individual status. The club is rotten at its core.

He should have been advised NOT to do that stuff - but the poor bloke has been under the gun since he arrived because of the delusional belief that the list was top4 and should win a flag... even Cook threw him under the bus at the start of the season with the stopid "top 4 " statement.

Vossy would benefit greatly from a mentor sitting next to him that he respected and trusted.

and Carlton fans shoudl know by now it takes closer to 8+ years to build a team good enough to win a flag orand contend for multipel flags- Carlton is NOWHERE near that as a list.

 

[Mikkey]

I think a big issue is the lack of focus of the club. To win premierships you need to focus on success and be ruthless. The top of our club had focused a lot on commercial issues and on being engaged in community and societal issues. There is nothing wrong with that as such, but I feel that we have not been focused enough on winning football games and it starts with our Board.

 

[Selene9]

How do we get Mike Fitzpatrick at the club?

and Heath Scotland.

 

[ihavenoname]

To quote Terry from blueabroad “financially thriving, spiritually bankrupt”.

From WAY outside, I’d say the club’s immediate priorities should be:

1. Football
2. Football
3. Football

ALL facets of the football department need significant improvement and/or change. Have accepted mediocrity for way too long.

Fix football and the onfield and see just how big a juggernaut we can be.

Don’t treat us for fools and take us for granted. Modern Carlton really has delivered us little.

If I’m GW there’d be a New Footy Director. New Footy Mgr. New Head Coach and Assistant Coaches. Bolstered LM Team. Bolstered VFL and Development program.

Eyeball ALL players especially our high paid stars and call out their BS. Implement high performance standards and hold them to account. No more tail wagging the dog. Drop underperforming players especially stars. Make statements, stand for something.

All focus should be on fixing football and the onfield. Do whatever we have to to consistently win football matches and become a perennial contender. All we are really are perennial pretenders.

Where we are now is completely unacceptable and there MUST be immediate material change in key roles.

I know it's got nothing to do with football, but if we are considering us being 'spiritually bankrupt' for a start change our bloody ground name back to Princes Park. **** the revenue we get from calling it ikon

 

[JustaBattler]

The issue is going to be whether you can attract high quality assistant coaches to Carlton if Voss is the coach.

I have no view on that.

 

[LanceRomance]

Certainly not the best game lol

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Certainly not the best game lol

Hahahaha yeah... not quite

 

[bigLrip]

Your post is embarrassing.

Haha righto. I’ll back myself in. Carlton’s list management is a disgrace and will be compounded by a 5 year silvagni deal.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Our results follow the form of our key players. Cripps. Curnow. McKay, TDk, Walsh and Weitering All three six just haven't been there this year for different reasons.

Edited for accuracy.
The only players of our so called star group that have been remotely good this year are Hewett and Cerra. Silvagni also has been really good in the new role and Ollie has improved. That’s it.

 

[4thchicken]

Vossy would benefit greatly from a mentor sitting next to him that he respected and trusted.

IMO that is a cop out - he is being paid several hundred thousand to be the senior coach - he is not a first time coach and should be qualified to do the job properly and if he felt a mentor would be beneficial, he could easily find one without relying on the club - particularly after 4 years at the helm at the club

 

[bmaurizio]

Next few games will reveal more of our glaring ineffectiveness and irrelevance in modern football context. We remain in a shocking place.
Yes injuries to key important players have been a factor, but the team is bereft of a system and lacks intensity and is incapable of passion.
Graham Wright will have a massive challenge ahead of him and
enormous pressure too. Throw him the keys asap.
A quality head coach is his top priority, Vossy was a horrendous decision.

 

[Smegger]

Haha righto. I’ll back myself in. Carlton’s list management is a disgrace and will be compounded by a 5 year silvagni deal.

Jack played his role pretty well tonight considering the amount of play coming into the D50. So what are you saying, Jack isn't good enough to be on the list? Not bad considering he's been mentioned as an AA in his new role.

Take the name out of the equation and you'll see he's worthy of the spot.

Carlton's list management? I'll give you that one.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Just here to see how early this thread opened up

Half way through the last quarter.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

People voting for silvagni? Embarrassing, switched off georgiades. Gave away multiple frees to esava. Checked out. Weak and slow last week too. Hes a three year deal max 500 otherwise let him go.

Weitering was the first player taken off Georgiades.

 

[bigLrip]

Weitering was the first player taken off Georgiades.

And he was poor tonight but gets a pass, was heroic on larkey, clearly underdone tonight

 

[gab213]

IMO that is a cop out - he is being paid several hundred thousand to be the senior coach - he is not a first time coach and should be qualified to do the job properly and if he felt a mentor would be beneficial, he could easily find one without relying on the club - particularly after 4 years at the helm at the club

Yet someone like McCrae who is surrounded by assistants with senior coaching experience is lauded by everyone. The same went for Hardwick at Richmond.

 

[bigLrip]

Jack played his role pretty well tonight considering the amount of play coming into the D50. So what are you saying, Jack isn't good enough to be on the list? Not bad considering he's been mentioned as an AA in his new role.

Take the name out of the equation and you'll see he's worthy of the spot.

Carlton's list management? I'll give you that one.

That’s your opinion that’s fine I’m not here to make you angry. I agree - take the name out of it, and imo you see a serviceable role playing defender. I stand by my call 3 years 500. We need to get to get this cap back in order so we can address our actual holes - footskills and speed. We have O’Farrell developing nicely and dean to come

 

[Beyond Blue]

Yep, no arguments here. I'd also note that both Voss and Teague in early days talked about co-designing the playing style and game plan with the players.

My takeaway from that now and always has been that designing a plan around Cripps helped him be an individual superstar but it was always to the ultimate detriment of the team.

This is the bit that shits me to tears. The coaches have, to their ultimate detriment, bent over backwards for the players IMO. The player have returned the favour by pointing the finger at the coach when things have got tough. The playing group is rotten which is unsurprising given the current leaders have learnt from bad role models like Gibbs, Murphy and Simpson who did the same and got away with it. The club is in a really bad space. Sack the coach and back the players in who have already failed 3 separate coaches? Or trade the players and start again with a rebuild run by club officials no supporter have
any faith in delivering a cogent strategy for success? Let’s face it the club is a rabble. We have become like St Kilda.

 

[Baxter Wolf]

I'm predicting Collingwood won't thrash us; they'll just do enough to get the job done like they always do.

 

[Smegger]

That’s your opinion that’s fine I’m not here to make you angry. I agree - take the name out of it, and imo you see a serviceable role playing defender. I stand by my call 3 years 500. We need to get to get this cap back in order so we can address our actual holes - footskills and speed. We have O’Farrell developing nicely and dean to come

Not angry at you (just the season). IMO Jack has proven he is very capable in his new role which is good news considering he was in no man's land for a while.

If you're saying Jack is 500 for 3 years, i'd say it's well worth it.

Footskills and speed? Jack has footskills and more importantly can read the play which can make up ground for leg speed.

If you're looking to keep control of the cap, i'd go with keeping players like Silvagni and not over paying ruckmen.

 

[ajb72]

Sacking Voss won’t do anything without cleaning out the leadership group.

 

[Wickzki]

An open letter to the players of the Carlton Football Club

I’m just a passionate, battle-scarred Carlton supporter who’s been through the highs and lows of life, much like you on the field. I’ve played junior footy, balled out in semi-pro basketball, and scouted future stars across the US with folks who’ve lived and breathed the game. What I’m about to say might not hit home for all of you, but I hope it sticks with a few. It’s a lesson I learned young and carried through my own journey.

Long after you’ve hung up your boots, four moments from your career will stay with you forever:

1. Your First Steps – That buzz of walking into Princes Park or Ikon as a newbie. Meeting your teammates, coaches, and learning what it means to be a Blue. Those early days, full of nerves and excitement, are what I call your foundation memories.
2. The Wins That Bind – The times you’re chasing glory together, united as a team. For many of you, it’s that electric second half of 2023. Remember the feeling after toppling Melbourne in that final? That’s the stuff that lives in your bones.
3. When the Chips Are Down – The tough times. Injuries, personal struggles, or life throwing curveballs. Think of teammates fighting through injuries, mental health, family health issues, deaths in the family, etc. It’s about how you rally around each other when it feels like the world’s against you.
4. The Final Siren – The end of your career, whether it’s your choice or not. The teammates who stand by you in your last season, the way they lift you up as you play your final games. Those moments will hit hard when you look back.

Here’s the kicker: right now, you’ve got mates at every one of these stages.

We’ve seen seven debutants this year, young guns stepping into the Navy Blue for the first time. There’s also a crop of kids grinding in the VFL, hungry for their shot or another opportunity. What are you doing to bring them into the fold? Are you showing them what it means to be a Carlton man, setting the standard for their growth?

2023 was a high for so many of you. That feeling of being a tight unit, like brothers charging into battle, unbreakable in your shared goals. That’s what it’s about. Hold onto that. You'll look back at these with pride wishing you'd worked your asses off for more.

But this year’s been brutal for some. Nic Newman

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Nic Newman

Age

32

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

3.3

5star

MG

400.8

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

MG

157.0

3star

D

22.4

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.6

5star

MG

387.8

5star

, a club legend, is out for the season. Jagga Smith didn’t even get a chance to start. Brodie Kemp’s Achilles, Harry McKay

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Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

’s mental health battles, Elijah Hollands’ challenges, and Ollie Hollands balancing being a supportive brother while building his young career. The list goes on. And it’s not just this year—think of Doc’s fight or Curnow’s knees. These are the moments that test you, not just as players but as mates. How are you stepping up for them? How will they look back at your influence and support?

This also applies to where you’re at as a team. Losses pile up, doubts creep in—about yourselves, your mates, your coaches, even the club. It’s easy to lose sight of the bigger picture. But these are the times that define you.

And then there’s the end. For some, this could be their last season in the game or at Carlton. Time moves fast—retiring players always say it ends before you’re ready. What are you doing to make their final chapter one to remember? What will they say about you when they’re looking back?

You can check out on a coach. It happens—sacks come, and you’ve all seen it before. But what lingers long after the coach is gone are the memories you create together. The moments that shape you as individuals and as a club. The culture you build that you’ll reflect on in 20, 30, or 50 years.

The last few months, especially the past two weeks, have been rough. That’s not good enough—not for the club, not for the fans, but most importantly, not for you. You don’t have to buy into the coach’s game plan or the club’s vision. What you do need to buy into is yourselves and each other.

This is your chance to shape the future. Welcome those young blokes into the club with open arms. Rally around your mates who are hurting. Celebrate every hard-fought win like it’s a premiership. And for those playing their final games, give them a send-off that honors everything they’ve poured into this club and into you.

You only get one shot at this. Your choices now will echo for the rest of your lives. You won’t always win, but you can always control the effort and heart you bring.

Choose wisely. Play with everything you’ve got. Make yourselves proud. Don't do it for me. Do it for you.

Forever a Blue, A grumpy older (than you) fan who’s been around the block