Player Watch #32 - Corey Ellis

[Hank Heavenly]

Only knock I’m Corey for me is he wears his shorts too high. Apart from that he’s building nicely

Not only does he wear them high, he even tucks his jumper into them, in the day an age where jumpers are skin tight and dont really need to be tucked in.

Harry high pants

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

In reality he should be where Kane Lambert is now.
He's not for one reason or another.
Hardly cited again when the game was semi hot(yes i know he got a knock and went off),but up until then was he even on the ground?
Mr Invisible.

 

[prodigy]

In reality he should be where Kane Lambert is now.
He's not for one reason or another.
Hardly cited again when the game was semi hot(yes i know he got a knock and went off),but up until then was he even on the ground?
Mr Invisible.

He got the cut above the eye early in Q1 and was off for the rest of the quarter? Came back on in Q2 when we got the ascendency in the contest.

Don’t know what you’re expecting here.


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[Tiger_Of_Old]

He got the cut above the eye early in Q1 and was off for the rest of the quarter? Came back on in Q2 when we got the ascendency in the contest.

Don’t know what you’re expecting here.


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A bit less of the same from him for a start.
Like i said he should be where Lambert is now,Even Jack Graham gets more involved and he's just a kid.
He plays timid.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

A bit less of the same from him for a start.
Like i said he should be where Lambert is now,Even Jack Graham gets more involved and he's just a kid.
He plays timid.

Its fair you don't rate him, but nothing about his game last night was timid...

 

[Goldust]

A bit less of the same from him for a start.
Like i said he should be where Lambert is now,Even Jack Graham gets more involved and he's just a kid.
He plays timid.

In fairness, one nice pass to someone to kick a goal in the second quarter.
Like no one ever connected on a pass before!
Though word of warning, ditch SEN if you want a broadcast of the game .... atrocious last night ... super hard to understand what's going on. Thye seem to call about fourth possession in the chain. I swear they called Valstuin once the whole first quarter and that was for getting caught under a amark or similar. A quarter time the stats revealed he was our leading possession winner with eight???? Puzzling!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Its fair you don't rate him, but nothing about his game last night was timid...

Beg to differ.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

In fairness, one nice pass to someone to kick a goal in the second quarter.
Like no one ever connected on a pass before!

If that was a 1st yr player(Higgins) you'd be telling yourself we have something here.CEllis's disposal i have no issue with at all.The issue is we never hardly see him with a disposal.

 

[tigs2010]

Those were the days.

Was that the game when Freo came in 9-0 and we just bent them over and shoved empty stubbies up their shitter?

 

[Goldust]

If that was a 1st yr player(Higgins) you'd be telling yourself we have something here.CEllis's disposal i have no issue with at all.The issue is we never hardly see him with a disposal.

Sorry mate .... you should know me better than that. And you obviously don't read what I write. Unlike 98 per cent of this board, I don't go ga-ga over piece of play or one handy or even outstanding debut. It's not how I roll. Like how others did two weeks ago when the same bloke nailed a nice pass to a forward v Essendon. It was what it was ... a nice pass .... one. That is, one of about 120 nice passes that Richmond players executed. But in desperation to talk a player up, or keep to their narrative, it gets built up to be something way more than a piece of normal football that a player getting $250-$300,000 a year should execute. As I suggested earlier, if you read what I write on her, you would understand I am probably the most cautious bloke on here when it comes to player expectations, to the point it irks me when others go into a frenzy after one game - as they did with Markov two years ago - and immediately label him the next star or - as some did - a future 300-game player. He'l be flat out reaching 100 right now, let alone 200 or 300.
So I'm sorry that this disappoints you, that I don't fly off the handle and tell everyone, in your words that we 'have someone here' on the basis of one good game, be it CEllis, Higgins, CCJ, Markov, whoever.
But I will retain faith in what I know and perceive to be a future footballer as I did with the likes of Lambert and McIntosh.
And yes I agree, one of CEllis' major issues is he simply does not get enough ball. Mind you, when I have suggested that previously, I've beentold I am wrong on that too.

 

[Tigerturbulance]

Thought he showed some really good signs again with limited game time and a heavy knock.
Interestingly, Jack talked him up as a likely round one selection after the game.

They listened to the bigfooty tigercast and know he has to man up or were flicking him

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[TigerImposter]

Sorry guys I’ve just had a lovely luncheon at the Soltan Pepper in Romsey and haven’t had the chance to get on here to post.
Summary on what I observed last night on Corey Ellis:

First quarter he got a hit on the head which resulted iin a gash on the forehead. He was cleared of concussion and traipsed back on the ground in the second. First two opportunities for him to go at the ball on the Western wing he jogs half arsed hoping team mates 10m further away will pick up the slack. He then misses an easy tackle and is dragged and programmed the new Richmond way and comes back on and completes a good tackle. The third quarter he showed a bit more dash and was involved more physically in the game , but he missed three tackles bc he lacked the strength to complete them. He was easily brushed aside and Nort got away. In the last he completed one good tackle and was unfairly not rewarded. He also made a dash out of the BL to create a good outage. His biggest Clanger was on the HF line when he was thirty out and could have waltzed into goal under no pressure , yet he has a brain fade to handball to a player standing still and misses him by -10m.
IMO Corey is not silk as even the great players like Ablett , Martin , Danger , Cotchin etc etc make clangers , but they’re greatness comes in winning their own footy to create something out of nothing. I call it hurt factor and this is what CEllis doesn’t have to this stage entering his fourth season.
He is so light for a player of his years in the system it’s really astonishing he hasn’t clicked that his body is getting further and further behind at least ten players younger than him. This puts him well back on our list and I would be disappointed if he was gifted games this year before more talented and stronger developed players. I wish him all the best bc he’s going to need it.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Was that the game when Freo came in 9-0 and we just bent them over and shoved empty stubbies up their shitter?

We’re not heathens. Had the good manners to drink the stubs first.

 

[Del65166]

Its been great to see the team play at full strength over the last 2 weeks. And solid performances from a lot of players . Its going to be tough to pick the last couple.

 

[Cevap_Roll]

Was that the game when Freo came in 9-0 and we just bent them over and shoved empty stubbies up their shitter?

Prettt much. Pretty sure we went 9 and 0 in that game maybe even more. I think thats the best football ever I have seen Richmond play.

 

[theyellowsash]

He just seems one of those players who has all the tools but just can't get near it. At this point he needs to be able to average 15+ as a minimum as a midfielder, I don't think he can play forward or back.

I hope he makes it, he will be a very good player if he does, but at this point I doubt it.

 

[_RT_]

Sorry guys I’ve just had a lovely luncheon at the Soltan Pepper in Romsey and haven’t had the chance to get on here to post.
Summary on what I observed last night on Corey Ellis:

First quarter he got a hit on the head which resulted iin a gash on the forehead. He was cleared of concussion and traipsed back on the ground in the second. First two opportunities for him to go at the ball on the Western wing he jogs half arsed hoping team mates 10m further away will pick up the slack. He then misses an easy tackle and is dragged and programmed the new Richmond way and comes back on and completes a good tackle. The third quarter he showed a bit more dash and was involved more physically in the game , but he missed three tackles bc he lacked the strength to complete them. He was easily brushed aside and Nort got away. In the last he completed one good tackle and was unfairly not rewarded. He also made a dash out of the BL to create a good outage. His biggest Clanger was on the HF line when he was thirty out and could have waltzed into goal under no pressure , yet he has a brain fade to handball to a player standing still and misses him by -10m.
IMO Corey is not silk as even the great players like Ablett , Martin , Danger , Cotchin etc etc make clangers , but they’re greatness comes in winning their own footy to create something out of nothing. I call it hurt factor and this is what CEllis doesn’t have to this stage entering his fourth season.
He is so light for a player of his years in the system it’s really astonishing he hasn’t clicked that his body is getting further and further behind at least ten players younger than him. This puts him well back on our list and I would be disappointed if he was gifted games this year before more talented and stronger developed players. I wish him all the best bc he’s going to need it.

By your count he had 2 good tackles and 4 broken tackles, AFL official stats credit him with 5 tackles(equal with much bigger/stronger Jack Graham), which makes a minimum of 9 attempted tackles(5 completed/4 broken). Not bad for a skinny undersized weak timid kid, if he gets himself right he'll break the AFL record for tackles in a game.

 

[Calcium Man]

He just seems one of those players who has all the tools but just can't get near it. At this point he needs to be able to average 15+ as a minimum as a midfielder, I don't think he can play forward or back.

I hope he makes it, he will be a very good player if he does, but at this point I doubt it.

So what he averaged in 2016 then?

 

[Goldust]

By your count he had 2 good tackles and 4 broken tackles, AFL official stats credit him with 5 tackles(equal with much bigger/stronger Jack Graham), which makes a minimum of 9 attempted tackles(5 completed/4 broken). Not bad for a skinny undersized weak timid kid, if he gets himself right he'll break the AFL record for tackles in a game.

He can get 112 tackles a game, if they don't stick and players brush him off, they're pointless.
Could do himself a favour and limit the tackles and get to the ball first.

 

[TigerImposter]

By your count he had 2 good tackles and 4 broken tackles, AFL official stats credit him with 5 tackles(equal with much bigger/stronger Jack Graham), which makes a minimum of 9 attempted tackles(5 completed/4 broken). Not bad for a skinny undersized weak timid kid, if he gets himself right he'll break the AFL record for tackles in a game.

I only stated from my observation live at the ground if you were on the ball and read my post . As someone posted earlier the stats were all over the place and I commented only what I witnessed. I will reinforce this point again that I only gave an account on what I witnessed in front of my own eyes. This is an Irrelevant point you made as you missed the crux of my post that he’s still undersized for his years in the system and is easily brushed aside.The fact he went at 55.55% completion actually supports my argument that he has strength issues and needs to bulk up. Not sure if there’s an award for having the most tackles in a game,? It’s as dumb as saying IF IF IF I could play footy better than Dusty then one day I would be a Brownlow medallist , I’m over the IF hypotheticals and only comment on observed traits.

 

[TigerImposter]

He can get 112 tackles a game, if they don't stick and players brush him off, they're pointless.
Could do himself a favour and limit the tackles and get to the ball first.

Good point Goldy as he’s slow as a wet week meaning he must be struggling to find it or get on the end of it if he’s forever chasing and tackling.

 

[_RT_]

I only stated from my observation live at the ground if you were on the ball and read my post . As someone posted earlier the stats were all over the place and I commented only what I witnessed. I will reinforce this point again that I only gave an account on what I witnessed in front of my own eyes. This is an Irrelevant point you made as you missed the crux of my post that he’s still undersized for his years in the system and is easily brushed aside.The fact he went at 55.55% completion actually supports my argument that he had strength issues and needs to bulk up. Not sure if there’s an award for having the most tackles in a game,? It’s as dumb as saying IF IF IF I could play footy better than Dusty then one day I would be a Brownlow medallist , I’m over the IF hypotheticals and only comment on observed traits.

He can get 112 tackles a game, if they don't stick and players brush him off, they're pointless.
Could do himself a favour and limit the tackles and get to the ball first.

Both of you have criticised Ellis for being a timid skinny kid yet in the 2 JLT games he has been among our leading tacklers, which flies in the face of the claims that he is a skinny timid kid. Sure he dropped off a few tackles, I've seen guys like Rance and Martin drop off tackles, granted it doesn't happen often, but the fact is every player misses tackles at times.

The point is that although he is not getting 20-25 touches he is still doing the team things by attempting/laying tackles which as I said was constantly brought up by both of you as a weakness in his game. So far this year it appears that he has addressed that area of his game, now he needs to add more damaging disposals to his game and we'll have another solid player coming through.

 

[prodigy]

Both of you have criticised Ellis for being a timid skinny kid yet in the 2 JLT games he has been among our leading tacklers, which flies in the face of the claims that he is a skinny timid kid. Sure he dropped off a few tackles, I've seen guys like Rance and Martin drop off tackles, granted it doesn't happen often, but the fact is every player misses tackles at times.

The point is that although he is not getting 20-25 touches he is still doing the team things by attempting/laying tackles which as I said was constantly brought up by both of you as a weakness in his game. So far this year it appears that he has addressed that area of his game, now he needs to add more damaging disposals to his game and we'll have another solid player coming through.

Don’t be silly RT. He needs to getting game high disposals, game high tackles and maybe the odd snag for him to even be considered going okay.


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[Livonski]

Sorry guys I’ve just had a lovely luncheon at the Soltan Pepper in Romsey and haven’t had the chance to get on here to post.
Summary on what I observed last night on Corey Ellis:

First quarter he got a hit on the head which resulted iin a gash on the forehead. He was cleared of concussion and traipsed back on the ground in the second. First two opportunities for him to go at the ball on the Western wing he jogs half arsed hoping team mates 10m further away will pick up the slack. He then misses an easy tackle and is dragged and programmed the new Richmond way and comes back on and completes a good tackle. The third quarter he showed a bit more dash and was involved more physically in the game , but he missed three tackles bc he lacked the strength to complete them. He was easily brushed aside and Nort got away. In the last he completed one good tackle and was unfairly not rewarded. He also made a dash out of the BL to create a good outage. His biggest Clanger was on the HF line when he was thirty out and could have waltzed into goal under no pressure , yet he has a brain fade to handball to a player standing still and misses him by -10m.
IMO Corey is not silk as even the great players like Ablett , Martin , Danger , Cotchin etc etc make clangers , but they’re greatness comes in winning their own footy to create something out of nothing. I call it hurt factor and this is what CEllis doesn’t have to this stage entering his fourth season.
He is so light for a player of his years in the system it’s really astonishing he hasn’t clicked that his body is getting further and further behind at least ten players younger than him. This puts him well back on our list and I would be disappointed if he was gifted games this year before more talented and stronger developed players. I wish him all the best bc he’s going to need it.

Now I’m confident!
Corey will be a star.

 

[_RT_]

Don’t be silly RT. He needs to getting game high disposals, game high tackles and maybe the odd snag for him to even be considered going okay.


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Ellis could have a season where he averaged 25 disposals & 5 tackles a game and kicked 15 goals for the season while finishing top 10 in the B&F and there would still be those questioning his spot.