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Player Watch #32 - Corey Ellis

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prodigy said:
Well, I have read the entire thread and it seems to me that RT was quoting statistics which are factual. Maybe you should address his rebuttals instead of just going the man.
In terms of minding my own business, if you want a private conversation, don’t post on a public forum.


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Well you have a literacy problem then as he wasn't addressing anything in the post you quoted us on, but making up hyperbole. Also to make things simpler for you and the rest of the gallery i will state that IF IF IF CEllis addresses the issues mentioned on here by multiple posters then we may have a serviceable player and we were right in the end. I think a poster is playing the man when he dreams up stats on a bloke then accuses posters of them being still critical and then somebody playing the devil's advocate comes on in his support and claims he read thread.
 
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prodigy said:
TigerImposter Please take note of a post addressing the points made and also providing counter points.
This is how a discussion works.


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Please take note that this is the post we were referring to and where your literacy skills failed you.

RT: Ellis could have a season where he averaged 25 disposals & 5 tackles a game and kicked 15 goals for the season while finishing top 10 in the B&F and there would still be those questioning his spot.
 
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TigerImposter said:
Well you have a literacy problem then as he wasn't addressing anything in the post you quoted us on, but making up hyperbole. Also to make things simpler for you and the rest of the gallery i will state that IF IF IF CEllis addresses the issues mentioned on here by multiple posters then we may have a serviceable player and we were right in the end. I think a poster is playing the man when he dreams up stats on a bloke the accuses posters of them being still critical and then somebody playing the devil's advocate comes on in his support he claims he read thread.
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You can’t really dream up tackle stats. If they are there, they are there. Just because you didn’t see them when you were there doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
I don’t think anyone is saying he doesn’t have any issues that he needs to rectify, because he does.
However, when people continue to knock an aspect of his game that he has improved on/put work into it becomes unfair and unwarranted.


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TigerImposter said:
Please make not that this is the post we were referring to and where your literacy skills failed you.

RT: Ellis could have a season where he averaged 25 disposals & 5 tackles a game and kicked 15 goals for the season while finishing top 10 in the B&F and there would still be those questioning his spot.
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It bothers me that you can’t see the facetious nature of that post.
It was said in jest. Goodness.


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TigerImposter said:
Well why were you wasting my time then with verbal diarrhea you little troll?
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I’m not a troll. Furthest thing from it actually.
I was encouraging you to address the points that RT made in the post you had quoted when I first replied to one of your posts today. Instead of going the man.

I thought that would have been clear for a well learned man such as yourself?


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prodigy said:
You can’t really dream up tackle stats. If they are there, they are there. Just because you didn’t see them when you were there doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
I don’t think anyone is saying he doesn’t have any issues that he needs to rectify, because he does.
However, when people continue to knock an aspect of his game that he has improved on/put work into it becomes unfair and unwarranted.


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The thing is has he really improved so that he warrants a spot in the best 22 is more the discussion not the stats that were made up by the poster. Again you've missed the point.
 
prodigy said:
I’m not a troll. Furthest thing from it actually.
I was encouraging you to address the points that RT made in the post you had quoted when I first replied to one of your posts today. Instead of going the man.

I thought that would have been clear for a well learned man such as yourself?


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Again you missed the point as he made up hyperbole and he went the man .As i said myob especially if you have literacy issues and can't read or follow a simple conversation.
 
TigerImposter said:
The thing is has he really improved so that he warrants a spot in the best 22 is more the discussion not the stats that were made up by the poster. Again you've missed the point.
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The jury is still out in regards to whether he deserves a best 22 spot for round 1. Personally, I think what he provides offensively is worth its weight in gold on the proviso that he gets a bit more involved.
I think his defensive mindset is there, and I can forgive a couple of lack lustre efforts in JLT.

Jack Riewoldt spoke highly of CEllis in his post game TV interview where he said he is a strong chance for round 1.


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TigerImposter said:
Again you missed the point as he made up hyperbole and he went the man .As i said myob especially if you have literacy issues and can't read or follow a simple conversation.
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Why do you continue to go the man in your posts? It’s very unbecoming.


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prodigy said:
The jury is still out in regards to whether he deserves a best 22 spot for round 1. Personally, I think what he provides offensively is worth its weight in gold on the proviso that he gets a bit more involved.
I think his defensive mindset is there, and I can forgive a couple of lack lustre efforts in JLT.

Jack Riewoldt spoke highly of CEllis in his post game TV interview where he said he is a strong chance for round 1.


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So Jack picks the team now? There are about five others who could play round one.
 
People saying he doesnt get enough of it are spot on, but in half a game he had 12 touches and 4 tackles (i think)

Assuming his fitness is up, that should, in theory translate to a 20 touch game and maybe a few more tackles. That is a great sign and shows really solid progression. He hasnt made it, but all we can ask for is improvement, and thus far, in a small sample of 2 games, he is doing just that.

I havent rated him previously, but his last 2 games have given me confidence that we have a player who is simply just a slow developer.
 
TigerImposter said:
Please are you really so illiterate or just playing the fool ?
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You literally just added further weight to my previous statement.
I’m just going to cut this off here before the thread gets derailed.


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TigerImposter said:
So Jack picks the team now? There are about five others who could play round one.
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I was just saying what Jack said. He is a VC of this club and would be aware of who is in the frame for round 1.


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prodigy said:
I was just saying what Jack said. He is a VC of this club and would be aware of who is in the frame for round 1.


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Big deal as it’s obvious he will say something positive about any of his teammates especially regarding kids on the fringe of selection. We bat so deep that there are a few blokes he could have said the same thing about. The reality is it’s just talk and he doesn’t pick the team.
 
for the limited amount of game time he had i thought he did reasonably well.

with another pre season under his belt now i would have liked to have seen his impact / performance over the course of around 70% game time instead of something in the 40's.

one thing i think we need to keep in mind is we already have some very very good ball winners in our side, its a pretty decent midfield. so we don't really need him to be getting 25+ touches a game.

we just need him to be damaging when he does get the ball. i think his decision making with the ball is fairly sound. has a lot of good releasing handballs to players in space, but i would like to see him kick it more.

what i like most about him though is how clean he is with picking the ball up. even in the JLT game against norf he had a shocking ball kicked into him deep in the forward line, picked it up clean on the half volley under pressure, dished off the handball and we goaled (i think that was him? lol)
 

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blaisee said:
the fact of the matter is, Ellis does not get enough ball, he never has in his career. So saying that if he did get enough ball he would be criticized anyway would assume that there is some conspiracy against Ellis and that he has been treated unfairly. This is untrue, the fact is he has been gifted games, he has shown glimpses, but overall been looked after big time by the coaches .
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Well aware of his disposal numbers. I don't believe there is a conspiracy against, just that some seem to want to find fault with his game regardless. As mentioned the counter to this example was it's not quantity but the quality. He may have been gifted games but that is no different to most high picks early on. Last season though he was made to earn his spot and was quickly sent back when performances didn't stack up.

Still has a fair way to go to become a regular in the 22 but he is tracking nicely so far this season.
 
Michaels said:
for the limited amount of game time he had i thought he did reasonably well.

with another pre season under his belt now i would have liked to have seen his impact / performance over the course of around 70% game time instead of something in the 40's.

one thing i think we need to keep in mind is we already have some very very good ball winners in our side, its a pretty decent midfield. so we don't really need him to be getting 25+ touches a game.

we just need him to be damaging when he does get the ball. i think his decision making with the ball is fairly sound. has a lot of good releasing handballs to players in space, but i would like to see him kick it more.

what i like most about him though is how clean he is with picking the ball up. even in the JLT game against norf he had a shocking ball kicked into him deep in the forward line, picked it up clean on the half volley under pressure, dished off the handball and we goaled (i think that was him? lol)
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Great post. Since when did you become so wise? [emoji12]
And yes, that was indeed him picking it up off his laces and dishing it off deep in the F50

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TigerImposter said:
Please make not that this is the post we were referring to and where your literacy skills failed you.

RT: Ellis could have a season where he averaged 25 disposals & 5 tackles a game and kicked 15 goals for the season while finishing top 10 in the B&F and there would still be those questioning his spot.
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It was said as a way to highlight how some posters would still find something to be critical about and you mentioning quality over quantity highlighted that my assessment wasn't that far off the mark.
 
Morro said:
People saying he doesnt get enough of it are spot on, but in half a game he had 12 touches and 4 tackles (i think)

Assuming his fitness is up, that should, in theory translate to a 20 touch game and maybe a few more tackles. That is a great sign and shows really solid progression. He hasnt made it, but all we can ask for is improvement, and thus far, in a small sample of 2 games, he is doing just that.

I havent rated him previously, but his last 2 games have given me confidence that we have a player who is simply just a slow developer.
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Now now don't go making assumptions about Ellis fitness and what he could do with more game time. You can only judge him on what he did in the little time he was on the field.
 
prodigy said:
Great post. Since when did you become so wise? [emoji12]
And yes, that was indeed him picking it up off his laces and dishing it off deep in the F50

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not sure if wise is the word i would use lol.

As i said on the podcast though i think the biggest issues he has is:

1) who does he replace in the current side?
2) whoever he replaces, he needs to be providing a better output or equal output at a minimum.

it's a tough side to break into, but it feels too hard to gauge off very limited game time.

There could be a opening for him with Broad out for a few weeks, but he would be competing against Short for that spot.
 
Michaels said:
with another pre season under his belt now i would have liked to have seen his impact / performance over the course of around 70% game time instead of something in the 40's.
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I believe he had a minor injury in the preseason which may be why his game time % isn’t as high
 

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