Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[Underarrest_]

Unless ... Gus had been missing for longer than was reported and he actually disappeared the day before.

I've been trying to work out what all the buildings on the property are and it looks like there might be two houses on it? Can anybody else tell if there is?

is this another house? It’s hard to tell.

 

[Kurve]

is this another house? It’s hard to tell.

There might be two houses on it. Mum and kids in one and grandparents in the other?

 

[Underarrest_]

There might be two houses on it. Mum and kids in one and grandparents in the other?

Definitely possible. I can’t find the police media release now but I’m sure they said they’d had drones up looking for him.

 

[CodyRose]

It's bigger than a pain in the arse.
But 5 gates it is.
You can argue with him ,because I've been losing that argument for over 40 years.
I'm not sure someone would open 6 gates for kidnapping Gus. Family member would though

In remote areas, often the dry creek beds are used roads. The highways are avoided. This is a hard case to unravell. I wonder if neighbouring properties can be unobtrusively accessed using creek beds.

 

[CodyRose]

Yes from media reports Gus lives with his Mum and brother on the property and with his two Grandmothers Shannon and Josie Murray who are Gus’s Mum’s biological parents and Dad lives elsewhere because he doesn’t get along with Josie.

ABC reported that on the day of disappearance, one grandmother was minding the one year old in the house while Gus played outside. Gus's mum and the other grandparent were 10 kilometres away working with the sheep. I wonder if the grandparent in the house had any hearing problems and consequently might have missed something?

 

[FR0GGY]

There might be two houses on it. Mum and kids in one and grandparents in the other?

Looks that way, building in the foreground has a sat dish and chimney on it, however the homestead looks massive.

 

[CodyRose]

Looks that way, building in the foreground has a sat dish and chimney on it, however the homestead looks massive.
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Clearest photo yet thankyou. Lots of hazards - rocks, wood, tin, trampoline etc

 

[Kurve]

Looks that way, building in the foreground has a sat dish and chimney on it, however the homestead looks massive.
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Agree with Cody, that's a really good image.

There's just so many places he could be exploring, hard to imagine what might take his interest to go off in to the scrub but maybe he was chasing something, spun around and lost direction.

 

[Kurve]

Looks that way, building in the foreground has a sat dish and chimney on it, however the homestead looks massive.
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The sliding door to that little rock house with the dish on the roof is nearly all the way open, I think someone might be living in it.

 

[CodyRose]

The grid I could see pretty clearly from satellite imagery but no gate, I might have missed it.

Some grids take a photo of the passing vehicles numberplate. I wonder if this property had one of those? If so there would be a record of all the vehicles that crossed over and what date and time.

The grid I could see pretty clearly from satellite imagery but no gate, I might have missed it.

 

[shorsky]

So some of the most experienced detectives have mentioned possibilities such as third party involvement and wild animals.
I’m assuming that Detectives would also have to rule out a combination of possible scenarios.

I think we need to be quite thoughtful when we take in media ‘propaganda’ … I term it that, as it comes with a slant that is commercially driven - sometimes they hit their jackpot & money talks for their interviewees as well ..

BBM above, do you mean current or ex ?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Looks that way, building in the foreground has a sat dish and chimney on it, however the homestead looks massive.
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I'm guessing the homestead is about 25m x 8m including the verandas. So obviously the main residence then there's a granny flat too. There's lots of sheds he could have wandered into but they would be the first place the family then the police would look.

I wonder if he had a pedal bike. There's plenty of 4 year olds that can ride on two wheels. It would double the distance he might have travelled and quadruple the search area.

 

[31550]

I'm guessing the homestead is about 25m x 8m including the verandas. So obviously the main residence then there's a granny flat too. There's lots of sheds he could have wandered into but they would be the first place the family then the police would look.

I wonder if he had a pedal bike. There's plenty of 4 year olds that can ride on two wheels. It would double the distance he might have travelled and quadruple the search area.

A pedal bike would have left noticeable tracks, wouldn't it? It would also be missing from its usual storage place which would be a dead giveaway that he had ridden it somewhere. Very simple matter for police to look for his bike or bikes - if they are all at the homestead then he didn't ride away. If one is missing, then he possibly did, so where is it now?

 

[Frank Bunn]

A pedal bike would have left noticeable tracks, wouldn't it? It would also be missing from its usual storage place which would be a dead giveaway that he had ridden it somewhere. Very simple matter for police to look for his bike or bikes - if they are all at the homestead then he didn't ride away. If one is missing, then he possibly did, so where is it now?

A pedal bike may or may not have left tracks. Then how do you distinguish old tracks from those on the day he disappeared?

Those sort of properties where a couple of generations have grown up on might have a dozen old bikes lying around. They might not notice one is missing. It would also leave less of a trace for the sniffer dogs to follow. Just speculation, of course.

 

[Underarrest_]

I think we need to be quite thoughtful when we take in media ‘propaganda’ … I term it that, as it comes with a slant that is commercially driven - sometimes they hit their jackpot & money talks for their interviewees as well ..

BBM above, do you mean current or ex ?

shorsky, I was referring to the current affair program where Charlie Bezzina discussed possible options and you’re right they’re only going off what they know and no one would know what evidence the current police/Detectives have.
Personally I think it’s possible that if Gus is out there, there could have been animal intervention at least at some stage.

 

[dc3]

A pedal bike may or may not have left tracks. Then how do you distinguish old tracks from those on the day he disappeared?

Those sort of properties where a couple of generations have grown up on might have a dozen old bikes lying around. They might not notice one is missing. It would also leave less of a trace for the sniffer dogs to follow. Just speculation, of course.

That’s the point though , there are no tracks new or otherwise

 

[Kurve]

A pedal bike may or may not have left tracks. Then how do you distinguish old tracks from those on the day he disappeared?

Aboriginal trackers can tell, even someone who lives on the land and/or hunts.

 

[Frank Bunn]

That’s the point though , there are no tracks new or otherwise

I believe the only thing the trackers found was a single footprint. It's possible the roads and tracks on the property wouldn't leave any trace of someone walking, riding a bike or even a car. In dry conditions once the dust blows off a dirt road can get pretty hard.

 

[Underarrest_]

I read they brought another tracker in this time who said tracking is best by foot, which makes sense.

 

[Underarrest_]

ABC reported that on the day of disappearance, one grandmother was minding the one year old in the house while Gus played outside. Gus's mum and the other grandparent were 10 kilometres away working with the sheep. I wonder if the grandparent in the house had any hearing problems and consequently might have missed something?

10 kms is a long way. I knew the size of the property but just realised how huge it actually is.
It makes it more likely that someone else could be on the property without anyone knowing. If there’s 6 gates on the property you might not see them from the homestead.

 

[CodyRose]

10 kms is a long way. I knew the size of the property but just realised how huge it actually is.
It makes it more likely that someone else could be on the property without anyone knowing. If there’s 6 gates on the property you might not see them from the homestead.

Yes it is a vast holding. I wonder if Guss realised that his mum and grandparent had gone without him and headed off after them? Four year olds are hard to sway once they decide how things should be. My partner at 4yrs old walked out of the daycare, across three busy roads and six blocks later arrived at their mothers work all because that morning she had forgotten to give a kiss with the hug when dropping them off at childcare.They went to get mum's kiss.

 

[Underarrest_]

Yes it is a vast holding. I wonder if Guss realised that his mum and grandparent had gone without him and headed off after them? Four year olds are hard to sway once they decide how things should be. My partner at 4yrs old walked out of the daycare, across three busy roads and six blocks later arrived at their mothers work all because that morning she had forgotten to give a kiss with the hug when dropping them off at childcare.They went to get mum's kiss.

Makes sense he might head off to find Mum/Grandma.

 

[CodyRose]

Yes it would be so he could get on but there is no protection on the sides if he fell off or tried getting off. No safety net around it, springs exposed, dangerous gap where he could get wedged

Also in the sun, no shade protection.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Probably just wandered off and succumbed to the elements.

 

[shorsky]

Yeah when you look at the satellite image of the property it only looks like one gate which is near to the homestead to get in from the oak Park road which I’m assuming is a public road.

I think all the gates are on the roads out of Yunta and on Oak Park Road, which I think is a public road.

If it’s not been fenced off on either side, that would mean a public road going through private properties. They would need to put gates across to match up with the property paddock fences, in order to contain the stock.