Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[zedx]

To be fair look at that property, where do you initially start? Just around the premises I guess so I’d imagine there’d be a few hours just there, now if he’d decided to go for a walk for that whole three hours he’s going to be a reasonable distance out. Then you’d be guessing which direction he went. With only potentially 3 or maybe four people looking it would have been hard to find him in the dark with literally no light pollution and not knowing which direction to look.
Just while I’m thinking about it do we know if this kid was verbal ?

Agree, also initially it would have been just Shannon and the small child searching (AFAWK). We dont know how long she searched for and she would not have wanted to contact Jess and the other grandmother to come back until she was certain she couldnt find Gus. Then it may have taken them some time to travel back to the homestead. Then they would have searched for him, once they couldnt find him either they had decided to contact the Police. It would have taken the Police 45 minutes to get there, if not longer as they would have been off duty? They would have had to contact any other police stationed there, then get dressed in their uniforms, possibly fuel up the police car, gather together then drive out. Under these circumstances, 3-4 hours could have passed quite quickly. Meanwhile, little Gus is still presumably wandering away. Or if some one did take him, he could be half way to Queensland or Victoria!!

 

[Percel]

Agree. But it was yourself who floated the possibility that he wandered a long way in a straight line for a few hours.
IMO this scenario is less likely than any alternatives for a normal 4YO boy.
If his mental or physical capacity was somewhat diminished, I think its even LESS likely.

Ther are a million alternatives for any child, and i'll clearly state I'm not an expert (even my own) but I know he could have gone anywhere. My own kid (somewhat neurodivergent - diagnosed) decided to walk to the shops 3km away without a stop, 6 years old. I followed him quietly to see how far he'd go before he realised where he was. I could never have predicted that. He also climbed out the window at 3am at 14, but that was fun apparently

Once we have more confirmed detail (police information, info on Gus), we can more comfortably bring more informed statements of probability and likelihood into it.

 

[Underarrest_]

There’s also the possibility that if Gus wandered it was a shorter timeframe than 30 mins. Of course it’s possible it was 30 minutes but just say 10 minutes of walking takes him to a gate or specific place it might be less than 30 minutes.
The foot/boot print (if relevant) found was 500 metres away which could have taken him 10 minutes or so to walk. Has something happened here?
Also the sun going down might be relevant. I know when I’m walking or driving at this time of the day, the sun is blinding. I normally try and avoid it if I can.

 

[passball]

Seems there might have been children riding bikes on the property at times.
Warning sign going into the property.

That's quite a very large and specific sign. Wonder how old it is. What other kids were on the property considering the only kids we know riding at the time are Gus and maybe his one year old brother

 

[31550]

It's that he was sighted at around 5.00pm and gone by 5.30pm that seems odd. How far could a 4yo walk where nobody can find him in that time frame?

Except there is no proof of the 5.00pm sighting or the 5.30pm search. Both of these are just narrative, not facts.

Sorry but we have to start delineating clearly between what is proven fact, and what is simply narrative.

We need to know when the last independently corroborated sighting of Gus was, and start from there.

 

[passball]

Looks that way, building in the foreground has a sat dish and chimney on it, however the homestead looks massive.
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That shot is a nightmare to me.
What is that thing that's sitting on tyres? Is it a sieve of some sort? Tell me it's not a chopper please.
Then there is some sort of structure behind the 'sandpit' which looks like it has piles of palings/wood thrown onto its roof.
I also don’t understand it if they haven't levelled that dirt mound/'sandpit'.
It’s the starting point, where he was last seen going by what Grandma Shannon said.
Even if it's compacted they might find something eg spade.
That whole area contains red flags safety wise for a young child to be playing in/around, so much dangerous sh*t lying around

 

[passball]

Except there is no proof of the 5.00pm sighting or the 5.30pm search. Both of these are just narrative, not facts.

Sorry but we have to start delineating clearly between what is proven fact, and what is simply narrative.

We need to know when the last independently corroborated sighting of Gus was, and start from there.

Doesn’t seem to be a single fact

 

[Underarrest_]

Police would have established the last time Gus was seen/heard from anyone else although the family might be the only people who have been on the property recently including Dad who from media reports frequents the property, but we still don’t know if there was others on the property at the time, before, or due to visit the property, only what’s been reported.

 

[Underarrest_]

That's quite a very large and specific sign. Wonder how old it is. What other kids were on the property considering the only kids we know riding at the time are Gus and maybe his one year old brother

It is a large and specific sign.
I’d wondered if there are other Grandchildren, friends who go there.
The family are also involved in the Yunta race club (according to daily mail) so wondered if families go out there to practice.

 

[maggiethecat]

When did Gus's dad last physically see him?
When was the last access visit with his dad, IF he was having them. Was he dad due for a visit with Gus not long after Gus went missing?

If it's true, Gus was in the sole custody of the Grandmas?
Why did the mum lose custody, if that's the case, but was still allowed to live on the property?

Was there an AVO out on anybody?

Something is off.
After all this time and the family haven't shown their faces, bizarre to the max. Are they using the fact he was in kinship care to hide behind?

Not to mention only one photo released of Gus that certainly looks younger than a 4yo. He is a missing child , shouldn’t there be more photos of him ?

 

[Curious Clues]

When did Gus's dad last physically see him?
When was the last access visit with his dad, IF he was having them. Was he dad due for a visit with Gus not long after Gus went missing?

If it's true, Gus was in the sole custody of the Grandmas?
Why did the mum lose custody, if that's the case, but was still allowed to live on the property?

Was there an AVO out on anybody?

Something is off.
After all this time and the family haven't shown their faces, bizarre to the max. Are they using the fact he was in kinship care to hide behind?

I haven’t seen any reports even remotely related to custody issues or Gus being in a kinship care arrangement with his grandparents. Do you have any links to that info please?

 

[passball]

I haven’t seen any reports even remotely related to custody issues or Gus being in a kinship care arrangement with his grandparents. Do you have any links to that info please?

I can't find the link where I read it apart from tiktok which I dont watch
I have deleted my post

 

[redhotdip]

Ther are a million alternatives for any child, and i'll clearly state I'm not an expert (even my own) but I know he could have gone anywhere. My own kid (somewhat neurodivergent - diagnosed) decided to walk to the shops 3km away without a stop, 6 years old. I followed him quietly to see how far he'd go before he realised where he was. I could never have predicted that. He also climbed out the window at 3am at 14, but that was fun apparently

Once we have more confirmed detail (police information, info on Gus), we can more comfortably bring more informed statements of probability and likelihood into it.

This made me smile remembering my own 3 year old once running away from me in a straight line across an open space thinking I was chasing her. I waited to see how far the renowned rascal would go and then had to start running myself when she did not slacken off one bit. Several hundred metres from where she started she was giggling furiously to herself in her own private reality when I finally scooped her up. She had never once looked back!

The consistent police statements and also the fact of the most recent search to me indicate their strong conviction that the child simply wandered away and that no other factors were involved. I believe that.

 

[31550]

So there seems to be two schools of thought on each of these propositions:

1. That Gus would be capable/likely to run/wander a long distance away from the house in a very short time, so that he would be totally out of range in 30 minutes, and within three hours would not be able to be found by police / ground searchers with lights, or trackers. So he simply got so far way under his own steam that he still hasn't been found.

And

2. That it is perfectly normal / reasonable / and acceptable parenting to leave a child of Gus's age and capabilities unsupervised for 30 minutes or more on a property such as Oak Park.

I don't claim any special knowledge or authority, but I don't personally favour either of these.

My issue with this is that if you support proposition 1, how can you possibly justify supporting Proposition 2?

 

[dc3]

So there seems to be two schools of thought on each of these propositions:

1. That Gus would be capable/likely to run/wander a long distance away from the house in a very short time, so that he would be totally out of range in 30 minutes, and within three hours would not be able to be found by police / ground searchers with lights, or trackers. So he simply got so far way under his own steam that he still hasn't been found.

And

2. That it is perfectly normal / reasonable / and acceptable parenting to leave a child of Gus's age and capabilities unsupervised for 30 minutes or more on a property such as Oak Park.

I don't claim any special knowledge or authority, but I don't personally favour either of these.

My issue with this is that if you support proposition 1, how can you possibly justify supporting Proposition 2?

The elephant in the room is the lack of actual physical evidence that he has wandered off in any direction

Could sapol , ADF and the trackers missed something ? Yep maybe

Are they totally incompetent considering the man power and technology? I’d have to lean to no

Everyone has been right to ask who was the last known persons or people to see him other than relatives?

As we discussed a few pages ago this could have been days or weeks prior

It’s almost inconceivable that he vanished into thin air whilst playing in the sand pit at 5:30pm

 

[Percel]

This made me smile remembering my own 3 year old once running away from me in a straight line across an open space thinking I was chasing her. I waited to see how far the renowned rascal would go and then had to start running myself when she did not slacken off one bit. Several hundred metres from where she started she was giggling furiously to herself in her own private reality when I finally scooped her up. She had never once looked back!

The consistent police statements and also the fact of the most recent search to me indicate their strong conviction that the child simply wandered away and that no other factors were involved. I believe that.

You're story made me piss myself, my daughter did the same, across an oval, towards kangaroos, thought she was going to become part of the mob, I had to sprint.

Unless I hear something quite strong otherwise, totally with you on the wandering child theory

 

[zedx]

So there seems to be two schools of thought on each of these propositions:

1. That Gus would be capable/likely to run/wander a long distance away from the house in a very short time, so that he would be totally out of range in 30 minutes, and within three hours would not be able to be found by police / ground searchers with lights, or trackers. So he simply got so far way under his own steam that he still hasn't been found.

And

2. That it is perfectly normal / reasonable / and acceptable parenting to leave a child of Gus's age and capabilities unsupervised for 30 minutes or more on a property such as Oak Park.

I don't claim any special knowledge or authority, but I don't personally favour either of these.

My issue with this is that if you support proposition 1, how can you possibly justify supporting Proposition 2?

If he has wandered off, something has happened so as he is unable to communicate his where abouts. Whether it be around the homestead or further out and they have missed him.
It seems unlikely that someone would be able to come onto the property and take him unnoticed.
The only other option is unspeakable, unless it was a farm hand of sorts.
And half an hour is way too long. MOO

 

[Curious Clues]

Except there is no proof of the 5.00pm sighting or the 5.30pm search. Both of these are just narrative, not facts.

Sorry but we have to start delineating clearly between what is proven fact, and what is simply narrative.

We need to know when the last independently corroborated sighting of Gus was, and start from there.

Yes, imo unfortunately journos are pushing a story/narrative in the same way they did with William Tyrrell’s case.
It took about 9 years for one journo (Overington) dedicated to William’s case to finally write an article using the correct terms like “according to…” and “allegedly” when referring to the foster mothers story of his disappearance. And so far it appears that was the last article she ever wrote about William Tyrrell’s disappearance.

 

[CodyRose]

That shot is a nightmare to me.
What is that thing that's sitting on tyres? Is it a sieve of some sort? Tell me it's not a chopper please.
Then there is some sort of structure behind the 'sandpit' which looks like it has piles of palings/wood thrown onto its roof.
I also don’t understand it if they haven't levelled that dirt mound/'sandpit'.
It’s the starting point, where he was last seen going by what Grandma Shannon said.
Even if it's compacted they might find something eg spade.
That whole area contains red flags safety wise for a young child to be playing in/around, so much dangerous sh*t lying around

some properties have a "house yard" where everything is tidy with no junk. All the dangerous junk is piled up elsewhere. The photo does not seem to have a "house yard", just wild arid desert from the front steps.

 

[CodyRose]

Ther are a million alternatives for any child, and i'll clearly state I'm not an expert (even my own) but I know he could have gone anywhere. My own kid (somewhat neurodivergent - diagnosed) decided to walk to the shops 3km away without a stop, 6 years old. I followed him quietly to see how far he'd go before he realised where he was. I could never have predicted that. He also climbed out the window at 3am at 14, but that was fun apparently

Once we have more confirmed detail (police information, info on Gus), we can more comfortably bring more informed statements of probability and likelihood into it.

I don't think we are going to get any real information. IMO its been deafening silence from the get go.

 

[CodyRose]

Doesn’t seem to be a single fact

Agree, we can't help without real facts. Only concrete facts are: (1) Guss is missing and (2) have independent technology and specialized search teams found any trace in the large property - nope. I'd start over.

 

[Fifty n Closing]

I haven’t kept up to date with this search but has there ever been any mention publicly of whether the homestead or wider property has CCTV?

And if so what was the outcome of this if any?

 

[Underarrest_]

I haven’t kept up to date with this search but has there ever been any mention publicly of whether the homestead or wider property has CCTV?

And if so what was the outcome of this if any?

There’s been no mention of this but valid question. A lot of stations have cctv on roads, parts of their land to avoid theft.

 

[Cataholic]

Hundreds of square kilometres searched and not a single clue.

Very odd.

 

[Cataholic]

The family apparently said early on that Gus usually stayed close by and wasn't known to wander away.

I wonder if his attention was captured by some wildlife (wallaby, goat, fox etc) and he excitedly followed it somewhere?

It doesn't explain why he hasn't been found, but if it isn't something like that then, imo, there are only two viable alternatives left...... he's somewhere close by (outbuilding, machinery etc) and has been missed in the search of the immediate surrounds, or there's been human intervention.

That said, I read there are 6 gates between the main road and the homestead.