Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[Underarrest_]

Do you notice that DM has been the only media emphasising this aspect of Gus' family life?

Yes I did notice. That’s why I said, it seems some do. Haven’t seen this in any other news.

 

[Curious Clues]

I believe it is, as the SAPOL have many times stated, a tragic case of misadventure. The country out there is anything but flat and it would take years to search thoroughly. He has wandered off and perished, and the body has not yet been found.

You could walk within a meter of a crevice or hole in that country and miss him. To search thoroughly would require fingertip to fingertip coverage. Even at say a 1.5km radius, (which is conservative) searchers would need to cover 7,067 kms on foot to search it.

Take the search area out to 2.5kms and the number of kms to search becomes 19,631. The sheer enormity of the task means it will not be done. Body may be discovered by chance one day.

I think you are giving the DM much too much credit. They will do anything for a headline, the more click-bait it is the better. Do you notice that DM has been the only media emphasising this aspect of Gus' family life?

I Don’t recall SAPOL stating several times that it’s a tragic case of misadventure.
It may not be popular opinion but from what we have been told so far I feel the search has been very thorough. If Gus wandered and perished how do you explain that none of the searchers saw scavenger activity or dropped/torn pieces of clothing?

 

[Frank Bunn]

Intriguing Parallels Emerge Between Missing Boys Gus Lamont and William Tyrrell - Internewscast Journal

Explore the mysterious disappearances of Gus Lamont and William Tyrrell, drawing eerie parallels between the two cases.

internewscast.com

Interesting that Candace says The sole photo of missing Gus Lamont was not released until days after he vanished, and his family background was suppressed.

I didn't know Gus's family background was suppressed. Seems to be all over the media who they are.

Gus was allegedly last seen on September 27. But no details of the family were revealed until October 9 - by the Daily Mail. Until then Shannon was referred to as the 'grandmother'. There was no mention of grandparent Josie, or parents Jess and Josh. It's not clear if there was a suppression order but it's unusual in a missing child case for some details of the family not to be made public. Reporters could have easily obtained that information from the police or locals.

When Gus wasn't found within a couple of days, the family circumstances became relevant. It was reported that Josh did not live on the station because of clashes with Josie. And that he didn't think it was safe for the kids to be out there. What is the relationship like between Josie, Shannon and Jess? Josie brandishing a shotgun at a reporter could be a sign that she might have a nasty temper.

 

[dc3]

I believe it is, as the SAPOL have many times stated, a tragic case of misadventure. The country out there is anything but flat and it would take years to search thoroughly. He has wandered off and perished, and the body has not yet been found.

You could walk within a meter of a crevice or hole in that country and miss him. To search thoroughly would require fingertip to fingertip coverage. Even at say a 1.5km radius, (which is conservative) searchers would need to cover 7,067 kms on foot to search it.

Take the search area out to 2.5kms and the number of kms to search becomes 19,631. The sheer enormity of the task means it will not be done. Body may be discovered by chance one day.

I think you are giving the DM much to much credit. They will do anything for a headline, the more click-bait it is the better. Do you notice that DM has been the only media emphasising this aspect of Gus' family life?

How naive

 

[Percel]

How naive

Which bit, the DM, the search size, misadventure?

 

[Curious Clues]

Which bit, the DM, the search size, misadventure?

Not sure where Winyhill got those search figures from but they are significantly lower than the actual kilometres searched.

 

[dc3]

Which bit, the DM, the search size, misadventure?

The first paragraph
As others have stated the police haven’t
Any time mentioned it being a misadventure and to close your thought of to that being the only outcome is naive

I wish it was so black and white and early days we were all hoping it was just that but the moment SAPOL,Adf, experienced ses line walkers and indigenous trackers came up with a single shred of evidence it looked more likely something else was at play

Someone said there is a difference between what sapol are saying and their actions and I think they are spot on

The draining of the dam was looking for evidence and ratcheting up the pressure now they have cracked once by wielding a shot gun but can they rattle the cage again ?

If you go back and revisit the time when the search was at its greatest effort you can see the body Language of how stumped the experts are to not find a single shred of evidence

If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck

 

[passball]

To believe that they would have to be into some heavy duty conspiracy stuff. But my experience is most of the locals in very remote areas like this are "quirked". And most of them have a few roos loose in the top paddock.
But then you have this thread (and the internet world more generally) where posters are desperately trying to make a conspiracy from a tragic accident.

Have not heard 'tragic accident' from the police.
Also, you think his body will be found some day by chance?
Didn't William Tyrrell’s foster carer say William might be found years/decades later?

 

[shorsky]

To believe that they would have to be into some heavy duty conspiracy stuff. But my experience is most of the locals in very remote areas like this are "quirked". And most of them have a few roos loose in the top paddock.
But then you have this thread (and the internet world more generally) where posters are desperately trying to make a conspiracy from a tragic accident.

Have to ask Winy, Do you know what happened to Gus ?

Because it’s my understanding that currently it’s a mystery - there is no way of knowing if it was an accident or if something else occurred.

I appreciate the concern & the breadth of thought that associates here bring forward in conversation, in the hope that we may stumble of something that helps to find this little boy.

 

[Underarrest_]

Gus was allegedly last seen on September 27. But no details of the family were revealed until October 9 - by the Daily Mail. Until then Shannon was referred to as the 'grandmother'. There was no mention of grandparent Josie, or parents Jess and Josh. It's not clear if there was a suppression order but it's unusual in a missing child case for some details of the family not to be made public. Reporters could have easily obtained that information from the police or locals.

When Gus wasn't found within a couple of days, the family circumstances became relevant. It was reported that Josh did not live on the station because of clashes with Josie. And that he didn't think it was safe for the kids to be out there. What is the relationship like between Josie, Shannon and Jess? Josie brandishing a shotgun at a reporter could be a sign that she might have a nasty temper.

Totally agree, and the police will be very interested in their relationships and Josie’s usual reaction and behaviour to situations.
Already know that the son in law can’t live on the property because of dynamics im relationships and a female reporter has been told to shut her face, faced with a gun.

 

[Wallace52]

I can't see anybody managing to sneak up to that property, not without someone seeing a vehicle or bike, noticing wheels spinning up a heap of dust or hearing it.

Possible? Maybe but highly unlikely.

In her Tik Tok videos reporter Ms Bray from Daily Mail indicated they have made it all the way to the homestead door unnoticed. IMO

 

[Kurve]

Reporters who have been there said they have made it all the way to the homestead door unnoticed. IMO

What reporters?

 

[passball]

In her Tik Tok videos reporter Ms Bray from Daily Mail indicated they have made it all the way to the homestead door unnoticed. IMO

What reporters?

Josie mustn't have seen or heard Jonica Bray otherwise Josie would have been at the front with the shotgun long before she and the photographer got anywhere near the house, and before they had a chance to talk to Shannon.
Didn’t Shannon talk to Jonica first before Josie?

 

[passball]

There has been slight changes on SM posts.
Are some people rattled?

 

[winyhill]

There has been slight changes on SM posts.
Are some people rattled?

None of the family have ever posted on SM anything about this case.

 

[Wallace52]

Given the article is paywalled and not everybody here can view it, would the following be correct?

It describes a 2009 hostage incident at Bullyaninnie Station involving an unnamed 75-year-old woman, whose identity and connection to Gus Lamont's family (the Murrays) are withheld "for legal reasons."

Yes that’s about right.

 

[Wallace52]

There has been slight changes on SM posts.
Are some people rattled?

What do you mean? Can you clarify further??

 

[dc3]

None of the family have ever posted on SM anything about this case.

What’s SM

 

[Percel]

There has been slight changes on SM posts.
Are some people rattled?

What’s the change, whose socials?

 

[winyhill]

Not sure where Winyhill got those search figures from but they are significantly lower than the actual kilometres searched.

I didn't "get them from anywhere". I was illustrating the difficulty of searching. They may say the have searched a 5.5km area but logistically they could not have thoroughly covered that area in a fingertip to fingertip search. I used 1.5 kms and 2.5 kms to show that there is no way even that smaller area has been searched over every meter. And as the radius increases the distance to travel to grid search increases exponentially.
To grid search a 5.5 km radius (which is what I have heard is claimed to have been searched) would require searchers to walk 95,000 kms. Or 100 searchers to each walk 950kms. They haven't covered the ground to that extent.
So very possible he is still in the search area and just has not been found. Probably within the first 2 kms.

And I know they have been using drones but they wouldn't find a body under a thick mallee bush or in a crevice or small overhang. Eyeballs on the ground is the only way.

 

[Underarrest_]

The boot print might be relevant to the case. How and when Gus’s boot print was half a km away from the homestead must be of interest.

 

[31550]

I didn't "get them from anywhere". I was illustrating the difficulty of searching. They may say the have searched a 5.5km area but logistically they could not have thoroughly covered that area in a fingertip to fingertip search. I used 1.5 kms and 2.5 kms to show that there is no way even that smaller area has been searched over every meter. And as the radius increases the distance to travel to grid search increases exponentially.
To grid search a 5.5 km radius (which is what I have heard is claimed to have been searched) would require searchers to walk 95,000 kms. Or 100 searchers to each walk 950kms. They haven't covered the ground to that extent.
So very possible he is still in the search area and just has not been found. Probably within the first 2 kms.

And I know they have been using drones but they wouldn't find a body under a thick mallee bush or in a crevice or small overhang. Eyeballs on the ground is the only way.

There are certainly some areas of thick scrub and crevasses etc, which would preclude searching by drone, but also many more areas of flat open land which could be very efficiently searched by drone for physical signs. AFAIK cadaver dogs have still not been deployed (no reason has been given), but S&R dogs were used to some extent, and also a skilled indigenous tracker, as well as SES resources. No scent, no tracks, no physical traces at all of Gus have been found. (AFAIK the lone footprint was ruled out as being relevant?)
This begs the question, why SAPOL have discouraged the public for assisting in the ground search? One can only assume it is because they don't believe the public can add any value - they don't believe adding more ground resources will turn up any useful physical evidence. So they are confident they have searched the immediate surrounds thoroughly enough? What gives them this confidence?

 

[Underarrest_]

There are certainly some areas of thick scrub and crevasses etc, which would preclude searching by drone, but also many more areas of flat open land which could be very efficiently searched by drone for physical signs. AFAIK cadaver dogs have still not been deployed (no reason has been given), but S&R dogs were used to some extent, and also a skilled indigenous tracker, as well as SES resources. No scent, no tracks, no physical traces at all of Gus have been found. (AFAIK the lone footprint was ruled out as being relevant?)
This begs the question, why SAPOL have discouraged the public for assisting in the ground search? One can only assume it is because they don't believe the public can add any value - they don't believe adding more ground resources will turn up any useful physical evidence. So they are confident they have searched the immediate surrounds thoroughly enough? What gives them this confidence?

Was the boot print ruled as irrelevant?
Police have said it could have been from a week before.
Surely it’s of interest. How, when would the boot print be half km away from the homestead at all.

 

[31550]

Was the boot print ruled as irrelevant?
Police have said it could have been from a week before.
Surely it’s of interest. How, when would the boot print be half km away from the homestead at all.

Because Gus lived there, and 500m is not far in this context. It may have been a week since it was wet there, so that was decided that was when the boot impression must have been left. Occams razor.

 

[Underarrest_]

Because Gus lived there, and 500m is not far in this context. It may have been a week since it was wet there, so that was decided that was when the boot impression must have been left. Occams razor.

Half km is a long way for a little 4 year old boy to be away from the homestead at any time and they said he didn’t wander.