Nah, saw it on TV news.You already knew that this was what went down in court today, or what was going to happen when you posted the above, didn't you. Where are you getting your inside info from, the Daily Tele?
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Nah, saw it on TV news.You already knew that this was what went down in court today, or what was going to happen when you posted the above, didn't you. Where are you getting your inside info from, the Daily Tele?
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Hope so - my greatest wishUtter trash. He's going away for a looooong time.
Good to see you are keeping up XYou already knew that this was what went down in court today, or what was going to happen when you posted the above, didn't you. Where are you getting your inside info from, the Daily Tele?
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'Alleged murderer of schoolgirl Charlise Mutten claims her mother is responsible for shooting death'
'May 13, 2024 - 5:49PM'
'A toxicology report showed Charlise had tested positive for Mr Stein’s schizophrenia medication.'
Imagine being on the jury....Media reporting of the estimated 6 week trial by jury has re-commenced.
Reads like the jury was only selected this morning.
'May 13, 2024 — 12.47pm'Man accused of killing Charlise Mutten claims girl’s mother shot her, jury told
Justin Stein has denied murdering his partner’s daughter at his family’s Blue Mountains property in 2022, but admits he disposed of the nine-year-old’s body.www.smh.com.au
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the pair had mental health issues, with Kallista Mutten’s relating to substance abuse and post-traumatic stress disorder, while Stein was being treated for schizophrenia and had monthly injections for a heroin addiction. Kallista Mutten is among the witnesses expected to be called.
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Media reporting of the estimated 6 week trial by jury has re-commenced.
Reads like the jury was only selected this morning.
'May 13, 2024 — 12.47pm'Man accused of killing Charlise Mutten claims girl’s mother shot her, jury told
Justin Stein has denied murdering his partner’s daughter at his family’s Blue Mountains property in 2022, but admits he disposed of the nine-year-old’s body.www.smh.com.au
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the pair had mental health issues, with Kallista Mutten’s relating to substance abuse and post-traumatic stress disorder, while Stein was being treated for schizophrenia and had monthly injections for a heroin addiction. Kallista Mutten is among the witnesses expected to be called.
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Court reports today infer that one of the stolen firearms was a ballistics match with the crime scene in some way.They didn't find the gun responsible iirc. Do we know what kind of gun ballistics determined it as?
That’s strange. Be interesting to see what time the defence is proposing Charlise died.The credibility, accuracy and believability of the witness(s) that have are claimed to have evidence of seeing Charlise in the caravan park after the time that the prosecution case says Stein murdered Charlise, are going to be all important, and might need to have the prosecution come up with an alternative timeline, if it's not too late to propose one after the trial has started (is that even allowed?)
Charlise Mutten shot in face and back by stepfather before he dumped her body in barrel, court told
Justin Laurens Stein pleaded not guilty on Monday to the murder of nine-year-old Charlise Mutten, on day one of a six-week trial at the NSW Supreme Court in Parramatta.www.abc.net.au
'she told jurors the time that Charlise was killed and who was responsible were in contention.
She urged jurors to pay close attention to the last reported sighting of Charlise, foreshadowing calling evidence the child had been seen at the caravan park on January 13, when prosecutors say she had already been killed.'
"[Kallista Mutten] was a woman who had been an ice user since she was in her early 20s and she continued to use ice … [she] admitted to using ice on the very day the Crown says the child was killed," Ms Davenport said.
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Some time on 13th Jan was reported today in the ABC article.Be interesting to see what time the defence is proposing Charlise died.
This was the question I wanted to ask. Was she forced to spend time with her Mother or did she go willingly. Thanks for answering it. You would have to be totally unaware of their history to have sent that child to stay with them.And some social worker deemed it desirable for Charlise to spend time with her mother and her boyfriend, unsupervised, in a remote location, even knowing their history. What could possibly go wrong?
Hint: leopards don’t change their spots.
Sorry, I’m making assumptions, I don’t know that Child Services were involved for sure, but they often are in cases like this. But, knowing how understaffed and overworked they are, maybe not. I seem to remember that the grandmother was not keen on her going but as it was only for two weeks in the holidays, thought it should be ok. Kallista, like so many other addicts with a dubious character, could probably spin a convincing story of turning over a new leaf and making wild promises.This was the question I wanted to ask. Was she forced to spend time with her Mother or did she go willingly. Thanks for answering it. You would have to be totally unaware of their history to have sent that child to stay with them.
The world could not be less surprised.Charlise's mother was using ice on the day Charlise was killed.
Yes, but this is the first time ever anything like this has happened - oh, right.And some social worker deemed it desirable for Charlise to spend time with her mother and her boyfriend, unsupervised, in a remote location, even knowing their history. What could possibly go wrong?
Hint: leopards don’t change their spots.
Yes and her Mother could have visited Charlise in Qld without the boyfriend. Why throw a boyfriend into the mix. Work on creating a bond between Charlise and her Mother (if fit) in a safe space first.And some social worker deemed it desirable for Charlise to spend time with her mother and her boyfriend, unsupervised, in a remote location, even knowing their history. What could possibly go wrong?
Hint: leopards don’t change their spots.
I don’t know that Child Services were involved for sure, but they often are in cases like this.
Regardless, FACS should have been involved as her 'mother' is criminal junkie trash and hooked up with criminal junkie trash she met through prison. Grandparents, teachers, parents of friends, anybody should have referred Charlise to the Department, I'd be shocked if they hadn't, and I'm sure they're involved.
As per one of the options/possibilities in the below (assuming it applied back around 2017), neither NSW FACS or NSW Courts might have been involved at all, assuming that Charlise and her mother (Kallista) were residing in NSW and covered by NSW laws (as opposed to QLD laws where the Grandmother appears to have been living).
Legal issues when caring for a child with a parent in prison
Kinship care
In NSW a parent can arrange for immediate family to care for their child without having to involve FACS or a court order.
If there’s no court order, the parent keeps their legal rights and can take back the child’s care as soon as they’re released.
It’s a good idea to get the parent to sign a statement saying they’ve placed the child in the family’s care, and to get the child’s Medicare number.
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Children’s Court
FACS may get involved if concerns are raised about possible harm to a child.
This can include concerns about children being moved around a lot or not having a stable parent figure, especially when they’re very young. FACS is also called when police arrest a parent and there’s no one to look after the children.
Most of the time FACS staff prefer children to remain with immediate family. Sometimes this can be arranged informally, without needing to go to court.
But if there are big concerns about the children, or issues about the children going back home after the parent is released, the matter may go before the Children’s Court.
Sometimes children will be placed in the care of family, but the Court may allocate parental (i.e. legal) responsibility to the Minister for Community Services, or may order that this be shared between FACS and a relative.
This means FACS may be involved in decisions like where the child lives, visiting arrangements to see parents, and decisions about their education or medical care.
If the Court is involved and you want to be considered as a carer for the children, contact FACS as soon as possible.
If you are considered, FACS will need to visit your home and prepare a report.
You may also be able to be a party to the court case. If you want to do this, you’ll need a solicitor.
Depending on your income, you may be able to get Legal Aid for this.... If you’re concerned that children will be at risk of harm if they return to a parent on their release from prison, phone FACS helpline ...
Family Court
If you’re caring for your grandchildren and you believe that it’s in their best interests for them to have legal security in your care, you may be able to get a residence order from the Family Court.
This can be an option where FACS isn’t involved. Family Court action can be quite expensive, as you may not be able to get Legal Aid...
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Very strong words, but I tend to agree. FACS should always be involved in these types of cases to at least provide some guidance to family around any visitations or safety.Regardless, FACS should have been involved as her 'mother' is criminal junkie trash and hooked up with criminal junkie trash she met through prison. Grandparents, teachers, parents of friends, anybody should have referred Charlise to the Department, I'd be shocked if they hadn't, and I'm sure they're involved.