Adelaide In SANFL?

[J-Ro-20]

Hey all, I was just reading an article of the AFL website regarding Collingwood creating their own VFL side to control player development...

Brown (Gavin) said the advantages of fielding the new side would not only exist in developing young players, but also result in the obtainment of more control over which positions the Magpies' listed members play in when taking the field at VFL level.
"This way, we can play whoever we want, wherever we want. The other thing is, our young players will all play senior footy, whereas in the past, we've had players in the Williamstown seconds because of the system," he said.
"That's not fantastic for development, whereas this way, they're going to be playing senior VFL football every week, and in the positions exactly where we want them to play, with total control."

Perhaps the Crows and Power could develop this concept to help develop our juniors?

Obviously this would really hurt the SANFL sides as they really rely on those handful of AFL listed players to help in a successful season - but it could be a viable option?

 

[PsyCrow23]

I don't like the idea of having a crows reserves team part of SANFL competition, however i think an AFL reserves league would be ok

I think the power & crows reserves in the SANFL would ruin the competition

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Interesting one. One thing that worries me with the current situation is the draftees come to Adelaide and play SANFL, which is a tough and hard close checking game. A lot of players never make it and struggle to get league games, especially the big guys going up against big, mature bodies. The VFL isnt as strong as our league and is easier for young guys too get confidence. It has to be a reason why hardly any of our young forwards come on, and if they do generally they are in a good team, like the Eagles. Picture this. Being a young gun-forward with a huge ego. You have always kicked arse. You get drafted to Adelaide from Melbourne, you get over it, you get minidrafted to either South Or westies, and round 1 you get named at CHF, versus Centrals at centrals. Go home factor kicks in after 1 game

 

[KUNG FU]

Power and Crows reserves in the SANFL would totally ruin the SANFL IMO. I'm not totally opposed to an AFL reserves competition, but I do have a lot of reservations as to what it would do to the feeder competitions that are vital to the player development system.

 

[crowman_23]

Wouldn't work for mine. I personally would steer clear of the AFL Reserves system aswell. I don't see it being an all bad thing that the SANFL is a bit of a harder competition. I can understand that it could hurt some young players confidence but I don't see it being a real issue.

 

[BlackDouglas]

Sorry

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN – end of story.

This topic has been done to death

 

[brucetiki]

NO

It would be a disaster if the Crows had a reserves side in the SANFL. I also reckon it would see some people stop supporting the Crows in protest.

 

[CrowMagnum]

I think the plan has merit and I don't think the SANFL Crows would dominate at all against some of the hard bodies in the SANFL as there would be a lot of younsters in the team. Adelaide City and West Adelaide did it during the NSL days and the teams were competitive but not dominating.

Would it wreck SANFL support? I don't think so as those who currnetly support a team would still do so, and those unaligned might actually go to a SANFL game for a change so it could increase crowds.

Having said that I can't see it happening.

 

[NikkiNoo]

The SANFL own our and Port's licence and as such it will never happen.

 

[BlackDouglas]

Crows having a reserve side in the SANFL will never ever happen but I would love to see the SANFL compromise.

I would be happy if the SANFL would compromise and removed the mini draft and allowed the AFC to send all interstate recruits to one of the four clubs aligned to us. (Glenelg, Sturt, Norwood and South Adelaide).

I would be stoked if we could find a way of having all 42 player distributed evenly between the 4 clubs but that will never happen either.

 

[FlyingCrow]

AFL reserves league...Expand the the lists to 50. and any rookie listed players can also play in reserves...

This would be the ideal curtain raiser as well. For those of us who get to games an hour or so earlier. I would get there for th start of the Reserves game.

 

[bus24]

Leave it.

It's fine how it is.

 

[BlackDouglas]

AFL reserves league...Expand the the lists to 50. and any rookie listed players can also play in reserves...

This would be the ideal curtain raiser as well. For those of us who get to games an hour or so earlier. I would get there for th start of the Reserves game.

For economical reasons (ours and others) this competition will never work so the idea about the AFC reserves side in the SANFL has more merit and that will never happen.

PS – if for some reason it could get off the ground it would be awesome but it will never happen.

 

[BlackDouglas]

Leave it.

It's fine how it is.

For who but?

I don’t believe it is fine for the young crow’s recruits who move to Adelaide so IMO it not fine, far from fine.

But I have come to realization that a crows reserve side will never happen.

 

[bus24]

For who but?

I don’t believe it is fine for the young crow’s recruits who move to Adelaide so IMO it not fine, far from fine.

If they're good enough, they get game time.

If they're not up to it, they play reserves.

What's wrong with that? I don't see the point in awarding games to those who don't deserve it.

 

[J-Ro-20]

obviously an Adelaide Magoos side would never happen but i cant help but wonder what our side would look like as a "reserves side"

who would play in it? and where?

Sellar CHF!

 

[BlackDouglas]

If they're good enough, they get game time.

If they're not up to it, they play reserves.

What's wrong with that? I don't see the point in awarding games to those who don't deserve it.

Why are we making it harder for theses kids to succeed?

Why would we increase the adversary theses kids have to face every single day? If they are recruited from an interstate club they have potentially move from the other side of the country into an environment that is scrutinized like no other and we still expect them to play good football. In the first 12 months they have to battle homesickness, starting university, meeting new people in a new club (X2) fitting into new culture and family life and then worry about playing good football.

A mate of mine went to the University of Washington on a basketball scholarship and the only think he had to worry about for the first 6 months was getting to basketball training and game on time. He had a tutor to help he keep his grades at an acceptable level and an on campus job so he could settle in.

The line about “if they are good enough, they get game time” is just bull shit and shows that you have no idea what some of theses kids have to go though from day one. Yeah sure ultimately if they are good enough they will make it but why are we making it harder than it needs to be for theses kids to succeed?

I am not saying give them an easy ride but lets try and remove a little bit of the adversary they will face in the initial stage of there time at the club. lets get all the first year player at the same club so they have time to settle in and not worry about the added extra thing.

The current system is not fine and has so many floors it not funny. Some SANFL clubs make it so god dam difficult for some of the young kids to fit in it’s not funny.

I have heard some of the horror stories (from a few of the young recruits) and from the other side of the fence (from senior SANFL reserves coaches) that goes on at the training sessions.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Look at Westhoff, playing in the SANFL did he look like being a star? I didnt think so. SANFL is not free flowing footy, its tough congested footy that only suits quick, elusive style draftees. How many key position kids have come to SA and done well in the SANFL? Only the ones already established in the SANFL do. Its a big problem and what the reason is I dont know. One thing I do know though, if you are looking for a young KPP, look in the SANFL, if they are doing alright there, they will do well in the AFL. Go for KPP in the u18s, they may be stars there, doesnt mean they will make it in the AFL as they will struggle in the SANFL, and yet we keep wasting picks on them. I suggest we use high draft picks on u18 midfielders and use lower picks on key position SANFL and WAFL players. Think about our current KPP, where do they all come from? The only interstate players in our side worth a cracker are all midfielders. Surely there is a reason and something needs to be done.

 

[RoosterLad]

What a joke. Do not put an Adelaide side in the comp, good way of ruining 100+ years of SANFL tradition. Some people only think about Adelaide this.. Adelaide that... selfish *****.

 

[Macca19]

This topic comes up three times a year, every year.

Its a good idea in theory but when delving into the situation further and coming up with strategies then it falls to pieces.

 

[RoosterLad]

obviously an Adelaide Magoos side would never happen but i cant help but wonder what our side would look like as a "reserves side"

who would play in it? and where?

Sellar CHF!

Sellar struggles to even get a game with Glenelg at CHF...

You would also need a bigger squad unless you included 'development' players or something. It's a great way of raping the arse out of the sensational competition we have right now.

 

[RoosterLad]

Look at Westhoff, playing in the SANFL did he look like being a star? I didnt think so. SANFL is not free flowing footy, its tough congested footy that only suits quick, elusive style draftees. How many key position kids have come to SA and done well in the SANFL? Only the ones already established in the SANFL do. Its a big problem and what the reason is I dont know. One thing I do know though, if you are looking for a young KPP, look in the SANFL, if they are doing alright there, they will do well in the AFL. Go for KPP in the u18s, they may be stars there, doesnt mean they will make it in the AFL as they will struggle in the SANFL, and yet we keep wasting picks on them. I suggest we use high draft picks on u18 midfielders and use lower picks on key position SANFL and WAFL players. Think about our current KPP, where do they all come from? The only interstate players in our side worth a cracker are all midfielders. Surely there is a reason and something needs to be done.

The SANFL is far more free flowing than the AFL, and I consider it tougher despite the fitter, stronger guys in the AFL. There is no flooding in the SANFL, no chipping backwards and sideways.. have you even watched a game? Didn't think so.

 

[Macca19]

Look at Westhoff, playing in the SANFL did he look like being a star? I didnt think so. SANFL is not free flowing footy, its tough congested footy that only suits quick, elusive style draftees. How many key position kids have come to SA and done well in the SANFL? Only the ones already established in the SANFL do. Its a big problem and what the reason is I dont know. One thing I do know though, if you are looking for a young KPP, look in the SANFL, if they are doing alright there, they will do well in the AFL. Go for KPP in the u18s, they may be stars there, doesnt mean they will make it in the AFL as they will struggle in the SANFL, and yet we keep wasting picks on them. I suggest we use high draft picks on u18 midfielders and use lower picks on key position SANFL and WAFL players. Think about our current KPP, where do they all come from? The only interstate players in our side worth a cracker are all midfielders. Surely there is a reason and something needs to be done.

Actually youre not far off the truth with that post. Can add interstate rucks to that list as well.

 

[Macca19]

Why are we making it harder for theses kids to succeed?

Why would we increase the adversary theses kids have to face every single day? If they are recruited from an interstate club they have potentially move from the other side of the country into an environment that is scrutinized like no other and we still expect them to play good football. In the first 12 months they have to battle homesickness, starting university, meeting new people in a new club (X2) fitting into new culture and family life and then worry about playing good football.

A mate of mine went to the University of Washington on a basketball scholarship and the only think he had to worry about for the first 6 months was getting to basketball training and game on time. He had a tutor to help he keep his grades at an acceptable level and an on campus job so he could settle in.

The line about “if they are good enough, they get game time” is just bull shit and shows that you have no idea what some of theses kids have to go though from day one. Yeah sure ultimately if they are good enough they will make it but why are we making it harder than it needs to be for theses kids to succeed?

I am not saying give them an easy ride but lets try and remove a little bit of the adversary they will face in the initial stage of there time at the club. lets get all the first year player at the same club so they have time to settle in and not worry about the added extra thing.

The current system is not fine and has so many floors it not funny. Some SANFL clubs make it so god dam difficult for some of the young kids to fit in it’s not funny.

I have heard some of the horror stories (from a few of the young recruits) and from the other side of the fence (from senior SANFL reserves coaches) that goes on at the training sessions.

A few things to consider though.

What happens when your club has an excess of one position. LIke for instance Port back in 02 had 6 ruckmen on their list. Obviously a couple are gonna miss out somewhere, becuase you cant play 4 ruckmen in a reserves team.

Then there is injuries. Where do the supp players come from? How do they get chosen? Will their original club be happy with them leaving? Will they be going back and forth all year?

There has to be an easier way for all this to work out. As I said, our clubs having full control over 100% of their list is excellent in theory, but putting it into practice where everyone ends up happy is hard to do.

 

[BlackDouglas]

What a joke. Do not put an Adelaide side in the comp, good way of ruining 100+ years of SANFL tradition. Some people only think about Adelaide this.. Adelaide that... selfish *****.

As much as I agree with you, don’t forget that with no Adelaide this and Adelaide that – there would be no North Adelaide this and North Adelaide that now.

A few year ago North Adelaide were very, very close top going under and if the Adelaide Crows didn’t make a large profit and return that to the SANFL clubs you would have been further in debt.