Aggressive Trading

[West Coast Fan 123]

A few people have been saying that the WCE have been saying they will trade aggresivley this year. Now at the start of the year I wouldve said this was a good idea with our lack of key talls but now with plenty of players starting to develop from within the club (think McDougall, Hansen, Lynch, Glass, Hunter). I dont really think there is anything we need that we cant get from players we have on our list. Maybe another big tall (Hay could be good). If you look back over our trading in the last few years, we havent had the best strike rate. I think Adkins and Chick hav been our only real trades that have worked out with players such as Prior, Seirakowski, Taylor and Meranda playing for a few seasons before succumbing to injury and retirement. So I was wondering what you guys think about the whole "aggresive trading" idea and if we do trade, who do we need and who are you willing to let go. For me any of the first team are working to well together and taking players out may stuff up our structre but thats just my opinion so just wondering what you guys think.
Cheers.

 

[94_Eagles]

I really don't think we need to trade many players... maybe some draft picks for a Stenglein but that's about it.

 

[eagleskickass]

i certainly would not be upset if we did no trading at all.

 

[Au_Blue#24]

part off our success this year is due to the hardness of chick. He's 28 and in a few years time will need replacing.

Bring on Stenglien

 

[Streaker]

i certainly would not be upset if we did no trading at all.

Me neither, but I wouldn't mind if we traded someone on the fringe if we could get a higher 1st round pick. Still extremely happy in the knowledge that we have Morton at pick pick 40-odd.

 

[Rock On]

That,s a fair assessment.
Not necessary for trading recycled players but for higher draft picks while trading players that have good value
eg. Morrisson - 2 knee recon you will get max 2 years out of him at age 27 next year playing best football in his life
Rowan Jones - my fav topic he stood out in an average team players around him have dramatically taken the next level he hasn,t 26
If you look back mid nineties sure had a good team They kept the same players never got nowhere there was no forward thinking.
Just look at our abysmal finals record 95 onwards.
Yes we picked up young players like Cousins, Wirra, Gardi, Morri.Ph Matera, Schofield he was let go at 22 for what couple of midfielders who were in decline.
For me you judged on finals improvement we have gone backwards.
Still believe there room for improvement in the engine room. On Saturday nite will be judged.

Throw in Cousins also not here to cause controversy hey thats my opinion only. ps I have been a member Since 1988 Even though I live in Adelaide
Every year I go too about 10 games a year so I am not a novice.
Jabber = careful with the moron not here to get personal.\
Go The Eagles thanks

 

[jess-jess]

That,s a fair assessment.
Not necessary for trading recycled players but for higher draft picks while trading players that have good value
eg. Morrisson - 2 knee recon you will get max 2 years out of him at age 27 next year playing best football in his life
Rowan Jones - my fav topic he stood out in an average team players around him have dramatically taken the next level he hasn,t 26
If you look back mid nineties sure had a good team They kept the same players never got nowhere there was no forward thinking.
Just look at our abysmal finals record 95 onwards.
Yes we picked up young players like Cousins, Wirra, Gardi, Morri.Ph Matera, Schofield he was let go at 22 for what couple of midfielders who were in decline.
For me you judged on finals improvement we have gone backwards.
Still believe there room for improvement in the engine room. On Saturday nite will be judged.

Throw in Cousins also not here to cause controversy hey thats my opinion only. ps I have been a member Since 1988 Even though I live in Adelaide
Every year I go too about 10 games a year so I am not a novice.
Jabber = careful with the moron not here to get personal.\
Go The Eagles thanks

you're entitled to your opinion on Cousins and i'm sure you have your reasons.

I don't think the club would ever or could ever consider trading Cuz. He, along with Juddy, is the face of the club. Basically since he was drafted he was being groomed for the captaincy. Through the lean years his form was one of the few positives and he's always been the one that everyone has looked up to in terms of on field work and also the way he goes about training, the media etc off field. He's struggled with injury this year and hasn't been anywhere near his best, but his worth to the club, with his marketability, professionalism, the way he prepares and his on field contribution, they wouldn't even consider trading him. West Coast has a strong reputation of loyalty and culture and they wouldn't disreguard that by trading away one of the clubs best ever players and current captain. It would have severe repercussions not only within the player group, but also with members and supporters and sponsers.

 

[Jabber]

Jabber = careful with the moron not here to get personal.\

 

[southjoy]

Club wants a ready made CHF and will trade agressively for one. The belief is that we have the mids and a good nucleus of forwards and backs and the time is ripe to be a top 4 side. However we don't have a geniune focal point at CHF and if we wait for (2-3yrs)Hansen(example) to be ready the likes of Cousins will be on the wane, Kerr will be very battle weary and Judd might go.
Problem is to grab a quality CHF you have to give up quality - this will be a mid as they are seen as our most potent. Think Kerr, Fletch and Brauny. I personally would hate to see any go, but if we pick up Steinglen for another trade(possibly draft pick) mthen this will balance out loosing one of those quality mids.
Imagine our team with a Treadrea, Brown or Richo. That sounds like top 4 material to most. Obviously we won't get the first two but Richo is a poss, Fevola maybe, Tarrant.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Club wants a ready made CHF and will trade agressively for one. The belief is that we have the mids and a good nucleus of forwards and backs and the time is ripe to be a top 4 side. However we don't have a geniune focal point at CHF and if we wait for (2-3yrs)Hansen(example) to be ready the likes of Cousins will be on the wane, Kerr will be very battle weary and Judd might go.
Problem is to grab a quality CHF you have to give up quality - this will be a mid as they are seen as our most potent. Think Kerr, Fletch and Brauny. I personally would hate to see any go, but if we pick up Steinglen for another trade(possibly draft pick) mthen this will balance out loosing one of those quality mids.
Imagine our team with a Treadrea, Brown or Richo. That sounds like top 4 material to most. Obviously we won't get the first two but Richo is a poss, Fevola maybe, Tarrant.

Gardiner will be a more than adequate CHF, so we don't need to trade the house down to find a tall forward. If anything, I would argue our tall forward stocks are very good, and we're not really in need of anyone, certainly nothing we could realistically trade for.

McDougall at FF has kicked 35 goals this year, and I'd be surprised if he didn't kick around 50 goals next year. Gardiner at CHF is going to be as dominant as anyone in the league. Sampi and Matera as our small forwards, Embley at HF, and we're not doing too bad.

What we probably need more than anything is a back-up tall defender. If Hay does want to come back to Perth, sweet. If not, there wouldn't be many players who could fit the bill and be anything more than another Carroll.

Don't want Stenglein, we have too many guns coming through in the midfield. Waters, Butler and Selwood will be quality players. Morton has huge wraps.

I'm happy for WCE to sit idle.

 

[94_Eagles]

I have my doubts about Selwood.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Schofield he was let go at 22 for what

Scott Cummings?

I don't think we have to trade at all. We may choose to.

Generally I'm very happy with the "Grow your own" approach that is just beginning to bear fruit.

At the start of the year, I was worried about:
- a small close-checking defender
- defensive midfield
- CHF
- CHB.

I am no longer worried about any of those positions. I believe we have strength in depth, a game plan in which the players evidently believe (contrast with our purple neighbours) and flexibility with talls and smalls playing front and back.

Would I take Tredrea, Brown or Lloyd? Of course. For the price Port, Brisbane & Essendon would demand? Of course not.

Plan ahead by all means, but I think we're just adding the final pieces of the jigsaw, not rebuilding/starting from scratch/starting again.

 

[Streaker]

Plan ahead by all means, but I think we're just adding the final pieces of the jigsaw, not rebuilding/starting from scratch/starting again.

Exactly! We could get a reasonable player in the draft with our 1st Round pick. Might find a bargain in the pack with our 2nd rounder similar to Butler and McConnell. Mitch Morton with our 3rd rounder. Promote from our rookie list if needed.

I don't think we need too much in the way of players for the now, but we shouldn't stop looking at options. We have a few players who aren't going to be around at the end of this year (Humm, Munro, Collica), a few that may not be around (Carroll, Green, Chambers) some who may need longer to develop (Beeck, Johnson, Staker, McConnell) and some who will be absolute stars, but we don't need to make wholesale changes just for the sake of participating in trade week.

Realistically, who of real value is going to be traded? A couple of disgruntled midfielders such as Shaw, Stenglein and Carr. A few players who are fast approaching their use by dates such as Whitnall. If I was Woosha I wouldn't even bother going.

 

[theorangeapple]

i would really like a quality tall, to play in any key position. i mean a guy who has a reputation throughout the league. the best chance i snaring a guy like this is tarrant. i think he would be attainable, but of course the asking price would be very high, and we would almost certainly have to give up one of judd, kerr or fletcher which i dont think i could handle. what about sending our 1st round pick, hansen (to replace tarrant) and possibly wirra to the pies for tarrant. very unlikely, but afew collingwood fans agreed if tarrant wanted to leave.

 

[funkyfreo]

Given Judd wants to leave better to lose to a useless team like the Pies, and Tazza is ok. Maybe you could get Shaw thrown in to the deal?

 

[Monocle]

Given Judd wants to leavel?

Does he now!!!!! You guys live in hope.

 

[funkyfreo]

Does he now!!!!! You guys live in hope.

Guilty as charged

 

[theorangeapple]

hahaha...yeh every dockers supporter i know is adament that judd is leaving. they wont admit it, but they cant stand the possibility of him staying around 10 years.

 

[Nightwolf]

Who did you trade for chick? I cant remember

 

[eagleskickass]

pick #8

 

[BlueBoy83]

i would really like a quality tall, to play in any key position. i mean a guy who has a reputation throughout the league. the best chance i snaring a guy like this is tarrant. i think he would be attainable, but of course the asking price would be very high, and we would almost certainly have to give up one of judd, kerr or fletcher which i dont think i could handle. what about sending our 1st round pick, hansen (to replace tarrant) and possibly wirra to the pies for tarrant. very unlikely, but afew collingwood fans agreed if tarrant wanted to leave.

what about whitnall??

b4 u try and be a smart arse i'll point a few things out 2 u:
1. he works well when he has space to lead and a good midfield delivering the ball, which we can't do at optus, but ur midfield would be perfect for lance.
2. he needs a change of scenery, change of lifestyle, and woosha said he was interested in him.
3. he's only just 25, you could get at least 5 yrs good footy outa him. he doesn't have to be a chf, much like a hammil, someone to complement your other fwd prospects. but believe me, u can't rely on the kids, thats what freo did, and they're paying for it!!


althougth i like lance, i realise he has currency ... i'd love a trade for say seaby maybe ... uve got gardner and cox and whitnall would be worth a trade for.

what about adam hunter for trent sporn (rate highly, but been a bit injury prone)? that could be another good trade?

 

[Jabber]

what about whitnall??

b4 u try and be a smart arse i'll point a few things out 2 u:
1. he works well when he has space to lead and a good midfield delivering the ball, which we can't do at optus, but ur midfield would be perfect for lance.
2. he needs a change of scenery, change of lifestyle, and woosha said he was interested in him.
3. he's only just 25, you could get at least 5 yrs good footy outa him. he doesn't have to be a chf, much like a hammil, someone to complement your other fwd prospects. but believe me, u can't rely on the kids, thats what freo did, and they're paying for it!!


althougth i like lance, i realise he has currency ... i'd love a trade for say seaby maybe ... uve got gardner and cox and whitnall would be worth a trade for.

what about adam hunter for trent sporn (rate highly, but been a bit injury prone)? that could be another good trade?

Whitnall I would entertain depending on trade price and salary, but don't expect to get much for him.

Forget getting Seaby. Gardiner is effectively out of the #1 ruck equation now due to his injury history and will only play forward and pinch hit in the ruck. That means Seaby is our #2 ruckman behind Cox and therefore untradeable.

I fail to see how Sporn for Hunter is anything but a losing trade for us.

 

[zero]

what about whitnall??

b4 u try and be a smart arse i'll point a few things out 2 u:
1. he works well when he has space to lead and a good midfield delivering the ball, which we can't do at optus, but ur midfield would be perfect for lance.
2. he needs a change of scenery, change of lifestyle, and woosha said he was interested in him.
3. he's only just 25, you could get at least 5 yrs good footy outa him. he doesn't have to be a chf, much like a hammil, someone to complement your other fwd prospects. but believe me, u can't rely on the kids, thats what freo did, and they're paying for it!!


althougth i like lance, i realise he has currency ... i'd love a trade for say seaby maybe ... uve got gardner and cox and whitnall would be worth a trade for.

what about adam hunter for trent sporn (rate highly, but been a bit injury prone)? that could be another good trade?

while i agree big lance could well thrive over in the west, especially with worsfold being a hard ass with him, i think hes as likely to keep his slippery slide down as come up to be a regular player. id get him, but not for very much at all, and he would definitley have to negotiate his contract down

and lets be honest, whitnall isnt worth much these days. the best im afraid youll be looking at from west coast for big whitnall is zach beech/paul johnson and a round two pick, and thats only if we cant come to terms with adelaide for stenglein or hawthorn for hay

 

[jod23]

At the start of the year I thought trading aggressively was a good idea but this season had been huge for the club in blooding quality youngsters. The following kids have taken huge steps forward this season...

Lynch
McDougall
Seaby
Staker
Glass
Waters
Butler
B.Jones
Nicoski
Hansen

So with there improvement I think the idea of trading went out the window because we have conveniently found what we are looking for right here at home. I hope we dont do any trading as IMO it is not needed.

 

[The Passenger]

i don't particularly want Steinglein.

If we're gonna get a tagger into the team might as well go the whole hog and try for Carr from Port or someone of that quality.

The one thing i think we can do, purely for team balance, is trade one of young forward talls for a young tall backman.