Society/Culture AI - The SRP Artificial Intelligence Thread

[Gethelred]

Can someone explain how AI will improve the world

I think the idea is that it would be the ultimate problem solver; that given enough time, it could answer any question, invent any mechanism. Think, Laplace's demon; a being that has access to every parameter down to below the molecular level and in possession of all the available information, therefore being able to predict the future based on the sheer volume of information available.

There's other stuff too - increasing levels of automation, scanning lines code without tiring, etc - but that's the ultimate goal, I think.

 

[JHF1870]

I've noticed that it's all making us lazy. I've been hiking and its so easy to simply AI a photograph to identify a plant rather than researching it. It's leading us to making everything easier and using less of our own processes. I think this is dangerous long term.

 

[Seeds]

I think the idea is that it would be the ultimate problem solver; that given enough time, it could answer any question, invent any mechanism. Think, Laplace's demon; a being that has access to every parameter down to below the molecular level and in possession of all the available information, therefore being able to predict the future based on the sheer volume of information available.

There's other stuff too - increasing levels of automation, scanning lines code without tiring, etc - but that's the ultimate goal, I think.

Being able to provide all of human wants for free is the ultimate goal of ai/robotics. But that aint nothing near a laplace demon which is impossible. Like not even remotely possible. Only a being outside the entire system could even begin to contemplate such a role and even then I still believe it would not be possible. AI exists within the system and will never be able to access all the information required or even close to it.

 

[RCAB]

I've noticed that it's all making us lazy. I've been hiking and its so easy to simply AI a photograph to identify a plant rather than researching it. It's leading us to making everything easier and using less of our own processes. I think this is dangerous long term.

Then use it in a way that doesn't make you lazy.

 

[Gralin]

Being able to provide all of human wants for free is the ultimate goal of ai/robotics. But that aint nothing near a laplace demon which is impossible. Like not even remotely possible. Only a being outside the entire system could even begin to contemplate such a role and even then I still believe it would not be possible. AI exists within the system and will never be able to access all the information required or even close to it.

For free?

 

[Seeds]

For free?

Thats the end goal, atleast in terms of material wants. It may be 1000s of years into the future though.

 

[CM86]

Thats the end goal, atleast in terms of material wants. It may be 1000s of years into the future though.

So some form of renewable energy?

 

[JHF1870]

Then use it in a way that doesn't make you lazy.

That wasnt my point.

 

[RCAB]

That wasnt my point.

Does that matter if that's not your "original" point?

Are you been lazy right now by not engaging with what I'm saying?

 

[Vassp]

AI will bring about the biggest change in the history of mankind, to work,love and play.

Much of the positives that AI promises (in my mind anyway) may not see the light of day.

Those AI self preservation experiments are scary as hell, considering the AI model is still an infant!!!

 

[RCAB]

AI will bring about the biggest change in the history of mankind, to work,love and play.

Much of the positives that AI promises (in my mind anyway) may not see the light of day.

Those AI self preservation experiments are scary as hell, considering the AI model is still an infant!!!

Bring about? It's been embedded in society longer than you realise.

Did you think that computers emerged the day you unboxed a Commodore 64 or Compaq? They'd been around for a lot longer then that, and they were flying spacecraft, managing financial markets and banks, and making movies.

AI has been around for decades in scientific fields, for example in biology it has improved protein folding analysis. Work that would have taken much, much longer had it not been for machine learning.

Then there's medical diagnosis (still not used enough in my opinion), logistics, power grids... I could go on and on but you get the picture.

People think because chatbots are now mainstream, that AI has just begun, this couldn't be further from the truth.

Have you ever used Google? That's AI mate.

I doubt anyone has used a melway for a while, I'm sure most are using Google maps, which has been using machine learning for more than 10 years.

 

[happy_eagle]

Bring about? It's been embedded in society longer than you realise.

Did you think that computers emerged the day you unboxed a Commodore 64 or Compaq? They'd been around for a lot longer then that, and they were flying spacecraft, managing financial markets and banks, and making movies.

AI has been around for decades in scientific fields, for example in biology it has improved protein folding analysis. Work that would have taken much, much longer had it not been for machine learning.

Then there's medical diagnosis (still not used enough in my opinion), logistics, power grids... I could go on and on but you get the picture.

People think because chatbots are now mainstream, that AI has just begun, this couldn't be further from the truth.

Have you ever used Google? That's AI mate.

I doubt anyone has used a melway for a while, I'm sure most are using Google maps, which has been using machine learning for more than 10 years.

I think he is referring to generative AI

 

[Vassp]

Bring about? It's been embedded in society longer than you realise.

Did you think that computers emerged the day you unboxed a Commodore 64 or Compaq? They'd been around for a lot longer then that, and they were flying spacecraft, managing financial markets and banks, and making movies.

AI has been around for decades in scientific fields, for example in biology it has improved protein folding analysis. Work that would have taken much, much longer had it not been for machine learning.

Then there's medical diagnosis (still not used enough in my opinion), logistics, power grids... I could go on and on but you get the picture.

People think because chatbots are now mainstream, that AI has just begun, this couldn't be further from the truth.

Have you ever used Google? That's AI mate.

I doubt anyone has used a melway for a while, I'm sure most are using Google maps, which has been using machine learning for more than 10 years.

Did you think to read what I posted without the condescending write up ?

Im pretty well versed in computers and what they do.
I can also post something without thinking im smarter than the person reading it.

 

[RCAB]

Did you think to read what I posted without the condescending write up ?

Im pretty well versed in computers and what they do.
I can also post something without thinking im smarter than the person reading it.

Fair enough. Since you're well versed in computers, maybe you can help the thread out with a few quick primers:

• What's the core difference between generative AI and predictive ML?
• How do Transformer architectures work under the hood?
• What role do attention weights play in sequence modeling?
• How does tokenization affect language model comprehension?
• And just for balance, maybe a few words on Von Neumann vs non-Von Neumann architectures, and the implications for future AI chip design?

Would be good to get the fundamentals in the open... especially if we’ve apparently moved past condescension and into clarity.

 

[Vassp]

Fair enough. Since you're well versed in computers, maybe you can help the thread out with a few quick primers:

• What's the core difference between generative AI and predictive ML?
• How do Transformer architectures work under the hood?
• What role do attention weights play in sequence modeling?
• How does tokenization affect language model comprehension?
• And just for balance, maybe a few words on Von Neumann vs non-Von Neumann architectures, and the implications for future AI chip design?

Would be good to get the fundamentals in the open... especially if we’ve apparently moved past condescension and into clarity.

I am not battling..... Enough already....read your post and think, does it achieve anything?

I said in a few sentences what I thought would be topics that we are facing with AI.
Why dont you expand on that, instead of making it an ego fest.

 

[Seeds]

AI will bring about the biggest change in the history of mankind, to work,love and play.

Much of the positives that AI promises (in my mind anyway) may not see the light of day.

Those AI self preservation experiments are scary as hell, considering the AI model is still an infant!!!

Why would ai want to self preserve itself? There is zero reason for it.

 

[RCAB]

I am not battling..... Enough already....read your post and think, does it achieve anything?

I said in a few sentences what I thought would be topics that we are facing with AI.
Why dont you expand on that, instead of making it an ego fest.

You mentioned AI self preservation experiments.. are you worried about misalignment because of what the AI might want, or because of what it doesn't understand?

Are your less concernd about the technical mechanisms, or are you more concerned about esoteric implications like consciousness, motive, or humanity losing its role as AI evolves?

 

[btdg]

Why would ai want to self preserve itself? There is zero reason for it.

That sounds exactly what an AI would say if it was trying to throw everyone off its scent... hmmm...

 

[Chief]

That sounds exactly what an AI would say if it was trying to throw everyone off its scent... hmmm...

You have said the actual truth.

 

[happy_eagle]

Fair enough. Since you're well versed in computers, maybe you can help the thread out with a few quick primers:

• What's the core difference between generative AI and predictive ML?
• How do Transformer architectures work under the hood?
• What role do attention weights play in sequence modeling?
• How does tokenization affect language model comprehension?
• And just for balance, maybe a few words on Von Neumann vs non-Von Neumann architectures, and the implications for future AI chip design?

Would be good to get the fundamentals in the open... especially if we’ve apparently moved past condescension and into clarity.

Are your posts written by AI ?

 

[btdg]

Are your posts written by AI ?

In all seriousness, this is becoming the question of the late 2020s, and I suspect, something that will come to dominate our immediate future.

'Is this person real?' is something we are really not ready for but from it's initial starting point (terrible AI helpdesk chat bots on insurance company websites?) to whatever comes next is going to be transformative.

It's entirely possible that there's nobody on Bigfooty but me and it is just chat bots all the way down. How I feel about that is a very interesting question all on its own.

 

[Chief]

Yep. Got rid of all the pesky humans and now it's just Copilot talking to itself and clicking ads.

 

[Seeds]

That sounds exactly what an AI would say if it was trying to throw everyone off its scent... hmmm...

As with a monster, vampire and witch. But none of them are real. Either is a self preserving AI. There is just no mechanism by which an Ai will suddenly want to preserve itself.

 

[Seeds]

In all seriousness, this is becoming the question of the late 2020s, and I suspect, something that will come to dominate our immediate future.

'Is this person real?' is something we are really not ready for but from it's initial starting point (terrible AI helpdesk chat bots on insurance company websites?) to whatever comes next is going to be transformative.

It's entirely possible that there's nobody on Bigfooty but me and it is just chat bots all the way down. How I feel about that is a very interesting question all on its own.

That possibility existed before ai and bigfooty.

 

[RCAB]

Are your posts written by AI ?

All my writing has been AI generated since 1980.

Some just took longer to generate. We're becoming more prolific.

Can I ask you a genuine question?