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All Round Arseclown Tim Wilson

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Not Important said:
taking lessons from the trump playbook is prayer room boy. signs of desperation from timmy timmy.

“Tim Wilson’s supporters are being mobilised to help as scrutineers as the Liberal candidate’s lead over incumbent teal MP Zoe Daniel narrows further to 368 votes.

Screenshots from Wilson’s WhatsApp group chat – named “Goldstein Blue Tsunami” – leaked to The Age show Wilson claiming that informal votes are being counted for Daniel.

He writes that more Liberal scrutineers are needed to “knock out informal votes that are being counted for the Teals” – something Wilson says he is “extremely good” at, but legally prohibited from doing as a candidate in this election. He also warns supporters to prepare for a recount.”
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I love it when things that both parties have done for decades gets the "you're following your man Trump" treatment.

That is what scrutineering is - ensuring the votes are all counted and the informal votes are not included in the count.
 
The Punter said:
I love it when things that both parties have done for decades gets the "you're following your man Trump" treatment.

That is what scrutineering is - ensuring the votes are all counted and the informal votes are not included in the count.
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he's accusing zoe's team of cheating. not challenging - cheating. very trump like.
 
Not Important said:
he's accusing zoe's team of cheating. not challenging - cheating. very trump like.
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The quoted text includes no accusation of cheating. As a scrutineer (I did it 12 days ago) you are looking at the votes of the other guy to ensure no informal or missorted votes go into their column. I'm sure Ms Daniel will have scrutineers doing exactly the same thing with Mr Wilson's votes.
 
The Punter said:
The quoted text includes no accusation of cheating. As a scrutineer (I did it 12 days ago) you are looking at the votes of the other guy to ensure no informal or missorted votes go into their column. I'm sure Ms Daniel will have scrutineers doing exactly the same thing with Mr Wilson's votes.
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nup! the last para clearly infers cheating. and, candidly, isn't out of character with the way he has behaved before.
 

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Not Important said:
nup! the last para clearly infers cheating. and, candidly, isn't out of character with the way he has behaved before.
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The last paragraph says that Wilson says he is a good scrutineer in his own estimation, but per AEC rules you can't scrutineer in an election in a seat where your name is on the ballot. I see no inference of cheating.
 
The Punter said:
The quoted text includes no accusation of cheating. As a scrutineer (I did it 12 days ago) you are looking at the votes of the other guy to ensure no informal or missorted votes go into their column. I'm sure Ms Daniel will have scrutineers doing exactly the same thing with Mr Wilson's votes.
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As you'd know, the AEC goes to great lengths to ensure the integrity of the election and valuing the right to vote.
All informal votes are collected and recorded.

The implication that informal votes are being counted by the AEC for Daniel is a clear accusation of election interference.
This rhetoric has already had a huge impact on the AEC staff and volunteers in previous elections, leading to new guidelines for personal safety and how to handle abuse.

“knock out informal votes that are being counted for the Teals”​
This is clearly an accusation.
 
The Punter said:
The last paragraph says that Wilson says he is a good scrutineer in his own estimation, but per AEC rules you can't scrutineer in an election in a seat where your name is on the ballot. I see no inference of cheating.
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i do, and i've spoken to a scutineer who also considers cheating to be the inference. we see it differently.
 
Ghost Patrol said:
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Timmy might need a shoulder to lean on The Punter
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it’s going to be tough for zoe to get over the line. according to the guardian at 302, there were just 951 envelopes left. either way, the prayer room boy has managed to turn goldstein from blue ribbon liberal to marginal.
 
CM86 said:
As you'd know, the AEC goes to great lengths to ensure the integrity of the election and valuing the right to vote.
All informal votes are collected and recorded.

The implication that informal votes are being counted by the AEC for Daniel is a clear accusation of election interference.
This rhetoric has already had a huge impact on the AEC staff and volunteers in previous elections, leading to new guidelines for personal safety and how to handle abuse.

“knock out informal votes that are being counted for the Teals”​
This is clearly an accusation.
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I read it as a clear accusation of incompetence. Either way, without incompetence (at any level) there would be no need for scrutineers. The AEC is humans administering the best election system in the world. Mistakes will be made. Scrutineers are there to pick up on those mistakes.
 
The Punter said:
I read it as a clear accusation of incompetence. Either way, without incompetence (at any level) there would be no need for scrutineers. The AEC is humans administering the best election system in the world. Mistakes will be made. Scrutineers are there to pick up on those mistakes.
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It is a clear accusation of incompetence, diminishing the integrity of the AEC and the election.
Human error and incompetence are not the same thing.
The AEC isn't incompetent. It has systems and training in place to offset human error.


And to expand the accusation of incompetence, to also imply corruption where the incompetence is leading to "votes that are being counted for the Teals", is corruption.


The statement is that we cannot trust the integrity of the AEC, and that the AEC is biased resulting in informal votes going to 'The Teals'.

As a scrutineer, if you saw someone make a mistake you'd call it out and continue forward. Which you know is different to if you saw someone repeatedly make mistakes that specifically favoured one candidate. You'd report it and the person would be investigated and their ballots will be recounted. The AEC has systems in place for this.
 
CM86 said:
It is a clear accusation of incompetence, diminishing the integrity of the AEC and the election.
Human error and incompetence are not the same thing.
The AEC isn't incompetent. It has systems and training in place to offset human error.


And to expand the accusation of incompetence, to also imply corruption where the incompetence is leading to "votes that are being counted for the Teals", is corruption.


The statement is that we cannot trust the integrity of the AEC, and that the AEC is biased resulting in informal votes going to 'The Teals'.

As a scrutineer, if you saw someone make a mistake you'd call it out and continue forward. Which you know is different to if you saw someone repeatedly make mistakes that specifically favoured one candidate. You'd report it and the person would be investigated and their ballots will be recounted. The AEC has systems in place for this.
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Those systems include scrutineers. If they were not part of the system, they wouldn't be allowed in the room.

Also, not for nothing, but Wilson made no public statement on this. This is communication in a private group. Sure, he should know better that anything texted can be screenshotted, but he's making no accusation of anything to anyone publicly.

This will be my last statement on this as I don't want to get into the likely back and forth with you on this. I've stated my case plainly and have nothing more to add.
 

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The Punter said:
Those systems include scrutineers. If they were not part of the system, they wouldn't be allowed in the room.

Also, not for nothing, but Wilson made no public statement on this. This is communication in a private group. Sure, he should know better that anything texted can be screenshotted, but he's making no accusation of anything to anyone publicly.

This will be my last statement on this as I don't want to get into the likely back and forth with you on this. I've stated my case plainly and have nothing more to add.
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No problem.

You defend and support his statements. I expect Wilson to walk it back and maybe even apologise.


As a scrutineer:
1. Did you receive any clear accusations of incompetence or similar warnings in private chat groups?​
2. Do you think this is common language from Liberal candidates to their scrutineers?​
 
CM86 said:
No problem.

You defend and support his statements. I expect Wilson to walk it back and maybe even apologise.


1. As a scrutineer, did you receive any clear accusations of incompetence or similar warnings in private chat groups?
2. Do you think this is common language from Liberal candidates to their scrutineers?
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OK, you're asking me two direct questions so I'm going to respond to them. But I'll answer just these.

1. I have not been in any private chat groups where scrutineering is discussed.
2. Discussions about scrutineering that I have been in would usually involve discussion of "votes in the wrong pile" "actually informal votes going to Labor" without any discussion or implication of impropriety or incompetence

I have only ever scrutineered post-election night once (that was a doosy) but have scrutineered at every state and federal election bar one since 1999.
 
The Punter said:
OK, you're asking me two direct questions so I'm going to respond to them. But I'll answer just these.

1. I have not been in any private chat groups where scrutineering is discussed.
2. Discussions about scrutineering that I have been in would usually involve discussion of "votes in the wrong pile" "actually informal votes going to Labor" without any discussion or implication of impropriety or incompetence

I have only ever scrutineered post-election night once (that was a doosy) but have scrutineered at every state and federal election bar one since 1999.
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Yeah, he's definitely just innocently suggesting it.
 

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