Another footy department blunder

[Croat tiger]

They have only themselves to blame for not taking Angus graham off the rookie list instead of Jake King.We'll get smashed in ruck this week.

Richmond's ruck stocks remain low
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RICHMOND will again face a ruck shortage in their clash with the Swans Sydney at the MCG on Saturday.

Richmond coach Terry Wallace said number one ruckman Troy Simmonds is out for at least another week while back-up Trent Knobel is sidelined indefinitely with an ankle injury.

Both were sorely missed in Richmond's 17-point first-round defeat by Carlton on Sunday.

Wallace said Knobel's ankle injury was a mystery and he was likely to have more tests this week to try to shed light on the problem.

"We've just got to have a real look at him over the next few days and find out exactly what is going on with his ankle ailment," Wallace said on Tuesday.

"He played reserve-grade level at the weekend and pulled up sore again.

"I don't think he'll play anywhere on the weekend and we'll have to do some further investigation to see whether it's a long-term issue."

But in better news for the Tigers, defender Chris Newman said he had pulled up well after his first AFL match since breaking his leg badly last season.

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[tugga]

We got slaughtered in the last quarter by that champion superstar ruckman Cam Cloke. Imagine what Everitt and Jolly are going to do?

 

[beaver fever]

They must just not rate him yet. Is Polak a better option in the ruck than Graham? Bad thing is this puts JB back into a KPP role

 

[Croat tiger]

We got slaughtered in the last quarter by that champion superstar ruckman Cam Cloke. Imagine what Everitt and Jolly are going to do?

Cream us,at least with graham we might have been slightly competitive.

 

[PLSC]

its not about promoting graham its about not DRAFTING A QUALITY RUCKMAN!!!

keep going for skinny flankers from WA miller how about filling some basic positions on a footy ground you goose!!!

everitt is in my dream team

 

[Samuri Pizza Cat]

We got slaughtered in the last quarter by that champion superstar ruckman Cam Cloke. Imagine what Everitt and Jolly are going to do?

it will be a good chance for patto to try and see if he canmatch it with the best. even he addmitted getting killed in the pracy against the swans. dun worry boys its all bout development

 

[banzai]

Did anyone see Gus ruck against Jeff White in the practice match. There is no possible way he would even provide a contest against the Swans Ruckmen. He is still a fair way off it. Its a good learning experience for Patto.

 

[Croat tiger]

Did anyone see Gus ruck against Jeff White in the practice match. There is no possible way he would even provide a contest against the Swans Ruckmen. He is still a fair way off it. Its a good learning experience for Patto.

I'd rather try him out than hunchback patto who got creamed by a part time ruckman last week.Btw Jeff white is one of the better ruckmen going around in the AFL.

 

[banzai]

I am aware Jeff White is a good player but Patto is so much more advanced than Gus and if you think Patto was that bad and i cant imagine what you will think of Graham if he played this week.

 

[PHX]

Patto shouldnt even be being developed as a ruckman. He isnt the type to be one.

PLSC is spot on.

 

[beaver fever]

With calls to delist Knobel at the end of the year, and if Graham doesn't develop fast enough, it's evident we will have to trade for a ruckman.

Who would we target and at what price. I reckon if we did any deals it wouldn't involve a player for picks swap. Most likely a player swap.

 

[Calcium Man]

I'd suggest we will pick up a quality ruckman this draft. There are some really talented ones in this draft.

I hate to say it guys but this rebuild was always going to be a long process. Especially since we often pick skinny kids, who hopefully have a lot of upside!

 

[Croat tiger]

I'd suggest we will pick up a quality ruckman this draft. There are some really talented ones in this draft.

I hate to say it guys but this rebuild was always going to be a long process. Especially since we often pick skinny kids, who hopefully have a lot of upside!

Yep looks like you need at least three ruckmen to allow for injuries.

 

[Calcium Man]

Yep looks like you need at least three ruckmen to allow for injuries.

Our recruitment of Ruckmen hasnt been bad and it actually makes sense getting one next draft. Simmonds is far and away our best ruckman. We are unlucky he is injured. Pattison and Knobel will compete for the no.2 spot this year. In 3 or 4 years Pattison should be our no.1 ruckmen and the new kid we get at the end of this season will start competing with Graham (Who will have been in the system ages by then) for the no.2 spot.

 

[tigerT]

graham will be gone by seasons end, hes not up to it

 

[Croat tiger]

graham will be gone by seasons end, hes not up to it

I bet he's not.

 

[PHX]

graham will be gone by seasons end, hes not up to it

You want to throw away another ruckman in the situation we're at. He's only 18. Give the kid a couple of years yet.

 

[tigerT]

bookmark it lads, hes only on the rookie list anyway, i'll bet a couple of pints before a game at the G that hes gone by seasons end.

if he was on the senior list they'd keep him, but do yourselves a favour go watch him and then tell us if you really think he can play. Hes a shocker...

 

[Croat tiger]

bookmark it lads, hes only on the rookie list anyway, i'll bet a couple of pints before a game at the G that hes gone by seasons end.

if he was on the senior list they'd keep him, but do yourselves a favour go watch him and then tell us if you really think he can play. Hes a shocker...

Can't be worse than patto ,i'll take you up on that bet.

 

[Tigerbob]

Our drafting of Ruckman has been shocking.

We have Simmonds, Knobel as ruckman on our list.

Pattison as a Forward - part time ruckman.

Angus Graham on the rookie list.

Clearly not enough, clearly not good enough.

The one thing about the RFC and their recruiting policy is they dont beleive in structure. When I talk about structure I mean the key positions on the ground need to be filled by Key players if we are to be successful. Ruckman, Key Defenders, Key Forwards, Genuine Midfielders. Thats what structure is. Not trying to draft in kids that have played on the flanks their whole junior career and then we try and convert them into midfielders, or Key position players.

The strategies in place dont allow us to draft for structure, therefor we are going to struggle.

My rule as to what is needed;

200+cm Ruckman
195+cm Key Position Players
Geniune Midfielders with the bigger bodys.

Until these philosophys are carried out, I can be confident in the future.

Yeah its good we are drafting kids with good skills and pace, but how many do we carry on our list that dont contribute to our structure?

 

[PLSC]

forget about it tigerbob

instead of getting a balanced footy team out on the park miller would rather recruit a highlight reel from WA who is 70kgs or throw away draft picks for duds

the kingsley pickup is looking dumber by the minute because our forward line is alright

ruck stocks on the other hand

 

[Kurtis G]

Patto shouldnt even be being developed as a ruckman. He isnt the type to be one.

PLSC is spot on.

With respect pheonix if Patto doesnt make it as a ruckman he wont make it as anything.

Nowhere near good enough to play as a forward, doubt we'd even be able to give him a chance to develop as one with Richardson, Schulz, Kingsley, Pettifer, Simmonds, Polak (bad decision to play him forward though) and hopefully Reiwoldt and Cleve Hughes up there as marking targets.

I dont rate Patto at all, but im willing to give him a chance. We all know big men develop later so I suppose in a way this is good as it will fast track his development a bit. Personally I dont think he has what it takes, and reealistically he doesnt offer anything around the ground either.

Maybe M. Gardiner could have been an option? I still think that Simmonds and Knobel could be a successful combination if we could get them on the park at the samr time for once! Its worked well when theyve played. See our match against the Bombers in round 15, 2005 and also against Freo at the G in the same year if you want evidence.

Simmonds and Knobel rotating the ruck. When Simmonds is rucking Knobel is on the bench. When Knobel is rucking Simmonds goes to the square. This would be brilliant once you throw in Polak at CHB. While Simmonds is in the square you could also have Richo leading out one way and Schulz another... what ever happened to the one hit wonder triangle that we flogged Fremantle with?

 

[PLSC]

With respect pheonix if Patto doesnt make it as a ruckman he wont make it as anything.

Nowhere near good enough to play as a forward, doubt we'd even be able to give him a chance to develop as one with Richardson, Schulz, Kingsley, Pettifer, Simmonds, Polak (bad decision to play him forward though) and hopefully Reiwoldt and Cleve Hughes up there as marking targets.

I dont rate Patto at all, but im willing to give him a chance. We all know big men develop later so I suppose in a way this is good as it will fast track his development a bit. Personally I dont think he has what it takes, and reealistically he doesnt offer anything around the ground either.

Maybe M. Gardiner could have been an option? I still think that Simmonds and Knobel could be a successful combination if we could get them on the park at the samr time for once! Its worked well when theyve played. See our match against the Bombers in round 15, 2005 and also against Freo at the G in the same year if you want evidence.

Simmonds and Knobel rotating the ruck. When Simmonds is rucking Knobel is on the bench. When Knobel is rucking Simmonds goes to the square. This would be brilliant once you throw in Polak at CHB. While Simmonds is in the square you could also have Richo leading out one way and Schulz another... what ever happened to the one hit wonder triangle that we flogged Fremantle with?

reality hit thats what happened

you dont let everything hang on simmo's shoulder for 2 years because sooner or later you will pay

stafford leaves and we recruit a 28 leading full forward

typical richmond

 

[Kurtis G]

reality hit thats what happened

you dont let everything hang on simmo's shoulder for 2 years because sooner or later you will pay

stafford leaves and we recruit a 28 leading full forward

typical richmond

True Simmonds cant be expected to hold up the team. Still, his absence proves how important he is to us.

I dont mind the Kingsley pickup though.

People think we dont need him but with Stafford retiring we were down a target in the forward line. If the Kingsley plan goes well he will have two or three good seasons with us, kick some handy goals and retire with grace when the younger boys take over the mantle.

Richo will get a fair jump on Kingsley due to Kingsleys injury, but I reckon at the end of the season if we add up goal tallys of both Richo and Kingsley in games theyve play together, I reckon Kent will go close!

 

[PLSC]

True Simmonds cant be expected to hold up the team. Still, his absence proves how important he is to us.

I dont mind the Kingsley pickup though.

People think we dont need him but with Stafford retiring we were down a target in the forward line. If the Kingsley plan goes well he will have two or three good seasons with us, kick some handy goals and retire with grace when the younger boys take over the mantle.

Richo will get a fair jump on Kingsley due to Kingsleys injury, but I reckon at the end of the season if we add up goal tallys of both Richo and Kingsley in games theyve play together, I reckon Kent will go close!

our forward line is sound though 98 points will win you most games

the other end of the ground is a joke and we dont have much to come in and make it improve either