Armstrong

[Johnny Rutten]

Cook will be dynamic with a little more time afforded to him. There's a good reason the pies have been hot on him for a few years now.

Myke turns 21 tomorrow!

Happy Birthday...

 

[Vader]

Good point, though looks like Freo will hand over a 3rd rd. Do we think we're waiting on Jacobs before we let Griff go? So we're not left a ruckman short?

Even without Griffin & Jacobs we still have Maric, Moran, Sellar, McKernan, Craig and (to a lesser extent) Tippett. We're hardly going to be "left a ruckman short".

 

[Pariah]

He also can't kick, can't handball and can't make decisions. He can get the ball every now and then when he makes the right choice, but then doesn't know what to do with it. I hope he gets some confidence by improving his disposal...should fix all his problems.

If Cook is that bad why were Collingwood interested in him last year and when he nominated for the draft. The kid only needs some confidence and transferred to a SANFL club who is good at developing players.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Collingwood wanted an endurance player as it fits their playstyle and had enough skill around him to make it work perhaps pariah.
We however simply have too many of that mold.
He has no evasive ability, his tackling game is not where it needs to be and he really was thrown in the deep end.
He's had a taste now he needs a music montague development where he starts curving the bullet.

 

[Danoz]

Even without Griffin & Jacobs we still have Maric, Moran, Sellar, McKernan, Craig and (to a lesser extent) Tippett. We're hardly going to be "left a ruckman short".

Lol I was going to say, leave us with 'short' ruckmen
Maric 198cm
Moran 200
Sellar 196
McKernan 196
Craig 195
Tippett 201
------------
Jacobs 200
Griffin 201

I guess what i was saying is that Maric is really undersized, Moran is a bit taller but we dont even know if he'll play again. While NC obviously doesn't have a lot of love for Griff, he was still played because he is more genuine a ruckman at his size than the other blokes. Do you think we'll be happy to only have one ruckman on the list over 200cm (not including Tip)?

 

[-CG-]

I guess what i was saying is that Maric is really undersized, Moran is a bit taller but we dont even know if he'll play again. While NC obviously doesn't have a lot of love for Griff, he was still played because he is more genuine a ruckman at his size than the other blokes. Do you think we'll be happy to only have one ruckman on the list over 200cm (not including Tip)?

I don't think it will matter. Really we're only talking a few centimetres here. Also you have to take how high they can jump into consideration. For example, Smack has a huge leap and I'd say that he would get up higher than Maric.

Rucking around the ground though would be a bit different. I wouldn't be surprised if we went for the third man up more often if someone like Sellar was in the ruck.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

If we weren't happy with them we'd of picked up less of them.
He's clearly gone with versatility and it will be good with the incoming restrictions.

 

[Pariah]

If Armstrong wants be traded to Sydney I wouldn't mind Bryon Sumner or Lewis Johnston. In reality we would probably get a draft pick for him.
I would keep both Armstrong and Cook unless they wanted to leave. That way their trade value could increase if the have good seasons and improve.

 

[amer]

If Armstrong wants be traded to Sydney I wouldn't mind Bryon Sumner or Lewis Johnston. In reality we would probably get a draft pick for him.
I would keep both Armstrong and Cook unless they wanted to leave. That way their trade value could increase if the have good seasons and improve.

Armstrong alone wouldn't get us near Lewis Johnston.

 

[Pariah]

Armstrong alone wouldn't get us near Lewis Johnston.

Then we add a draft pick to the trade.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Lewis Johnston one of those young players from Sydney on the outer like Veszpremi.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Then we add a draft pick to the trade.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Lewis Johnston one of those young players from Sydney on the outer like Veszpremi.

injury problems
foot fractures (same as Knights 2010 and Bock late 09 then 09/10 offseason)
He was taken 2 picks after Davis

even with injuries, after 2 years his value wouldn't of dropped much, to get him, he'd have to be extremely homesick, and then we could do Armstrong and our 2nd for him, but even then that would be pushing it, he was a 1st round pick, so that may be what is required to bring Johnston to Adelaide

our 1st for Johnston may just do it
BUT, on the other hand, we dont need anymore KPP so we wouldn't be interested

 

[Pariah]

injury problems
foot fractures (same as Knights 2010 and Bock late 09 then 09/10 offseason)
He was taken 2 picks after Davis

even with injuries, after 2 years his value wouldn't of dropped much, to get him, he'd have to be extremely homesick, and then we could do Armstrong and our 2nd for him, but even then that would be pushing it, he was a 1st round pick, so that may be what is required to bring Johnston to Adelaide

our 1st for Johnston may just do it
BUT, on the other hand, we dont need anymore KPP so we wouldn't be interested

You would think that those injuries would have lowered his trade value a little but like you said we don't need any more KPP this year but next year might be a different story. Depending Sellar's performances and if Talia or McKernan don't re-sign next year.

 

[Dirty Bird]

You would think that those injuries would have lowered his trade value a little but like you said we don't need any more KPP this year but next year might be a different story. Depending Sellar's performances and if Talia or McKernan don't re-sign next year.

he's still an unproven player due to the injuries
if he was perfectly fit week in week out, and still failed to play a game
then his value would of dropped

and a club would not give up on a highly touted player so early on in their career
we stuck with Douglas, we're sticking with Sellar, St Kilda are sticking with Koshitzke, and Essendon stuck with Gumbleton

clubs stick by their 1st round picks in most circumstances

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

he's still an unproven player due to the injuries
if he was perfectly fit week in week out, and still failed to play a game
then his value would of dropped

and a club would not give up on a highly touted player so early on in their career
we stuck with Douglas, we're sticking with Sellar, St Kilda are sticking with Koshitzke, and Essendon stuck with Gumbleton

clubs stick by their 1st round picks in most circumstances

J Meesen, R Tambling, A Walker, F Watts, L Angwin, M Thorp, A Everitt, J Kennedy, M Drum, A Thomson, F Ray, B McLean and K Bradley all say hi

 

[Dirty Bird]

J Meesen, R Tambling, A Walker, F Watts, L Angwin, M Thorp, A Everitt, J Kennedy, M Drum, A Thomson, F Ray, B McLean and K Bradley all say hi

I'm not even going to bother argueing back at this.
Did the clubs ditch the players or did those players have their own reasons for moving on?

and when it was the clubs decision to move on (McLean and Kennedy) the trades were too good to refuse

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I'm not even going to bother argueing back at this.
Did the clubs ditch the players or did those players have their own reasons for moving on?

and when it was the clubs decision to move on (McLean and Kennedy) the trades were too good to refuse

M Thorp was delisted however J Meesen, R Tambling, F Watts, L Angwin, A Everitt, J Kennedy, M Drum, A Thomson, F Ray, B McLean and K Bradley were all first round picks that have been traded to other clubs, and most relatively early in their careers

 

[Dirty Bird]

M Thorp was delisted however J Meesen, R Tambling, F Watts, L Angwin, A Everitt, J Kennedy, M Drum, A Thomson, F Ray, B McLean and K Bradley were all first round picks that have been traded to other clubs, and most relatively early in their careers

and there were legitimate reasons for Meesen, Tamlbing, Watts, Angwin, Kennedy and McLean being traded

I'd like to know the reasons of Everitt, Drum, Thomson, Ray and Bradley before I decide what I will think of your initial comment

 

[Crow-mo]

Collingwood wanted an endurance player as it fits their playstyle and had enough skill around him to make it work perhaps pariah.

No, No, No!!!

there is NOTHING about collingwood's style that emphasises endurance. its the complete 180 degree opposite! Sprint & recovery, not endurance.

rotations are the oil to endurance's water.

good grief.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

oh sprint and recovery isn't endurance get your hand off it and do some physical activity.

 

[Crow-mo]

oh sprint and recovery isn't endurance get your hand off it and do some physical activity.

idiot.

 

[Riders of Rohan]

If Armstrong wants be traded to Sydney I wouldn't mind Bryon Sumner or Lewis Johnston. In reality we would probably get a draft pick for him.
I would keep both Armstrong and Cook unless they wanted to leave. That way their trade value could increase if the have good seasons and improve.

I can't see them heading anywhere soon I hope anyway

 

[Kickin_Goals]

idiot.

Your endurance directly responsible for your recovery ability.
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/12136/1/Definition-of-Cardiovascular-Endurance.html

This really shouldn't be neccessary.
Just what is your problem.
You treat people like garbage for no reason.
It's entirely pitiable how seriously you take yourself.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I heard Horse in an interview in Sydney say that the Swans will still look to add another running type of player to their list during trade week so maybe Tony is in the frame for the Swans

 

[Mismatched]

Your endurance directly responsible for your recovery ability.
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/12136/1/Definition-of-Cardiovascular-Endurance.html

Well yes and no. As the interchange #'s continue to soar(this may change next year, who knows though...) cardiovascular or aerobic endurance is becoming less and less important to the point at which AFL is very much considered an anaerobic dominant sport. The ability to sprint-recover-sprint-recover etc is quite separate to the endurance this article talks about.

Crow-mo's right, unless of course you were talking about anaerobic endurance, which considering the article you quoted, you weren't.

There's certainly still a component of aerobic endurance, but to say it is the key to Collingwood's play style is just wrong. In fact, the Crows have come out and admitted to focusing too much on endurance and not enough on their "power" short duration efforts.

Our blokes could run all day at a moderate-high intensity, but they'd be up against guys who were operating at a much higher intensity not because they were more aerobically fit, but because they were better rested thanks to interchange rotations. Our training style was still stuck in the late 90's to early 00's and was almost certainly a contributing factor to our poor season.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

What technicalities are you trying to spin?
Cardiovascular endurance is endurance and is responsible for the delivery through the blood of fat stores converted into energy after the atp stores and fat in the direct vicinity are depleted. This isn't a single sprint and a light jog all day would still be endurance....can only imagine you skimmed....else I dont wanna think...
I guess they've been running at that capacity and not so surprisingly found themself at 16th in tackles.
..........