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This could be a very handy thread for umpire / player relations.
If anybody with a serious question would like it answered post it here.
There are a number of umpires that read Big Footy and they may answer your questions.
We all can then see the answers.
Lets not use this as a place to barrage them and gang up, abuse is not tolerated on the field so lets keep this thread clean from it.
It could be a very handy tool.
 
hmm ... can see people abusing this thread, lets be on our best behaviour kids :D:thumbsu:

Question:

Why do field umpires over-rule a goal umpire a lot of the time? ive seen MANY cases where a field umpire over-rules a goal umpires decision when I think the goal umpy got it right. Isnt HE supposed to be in charge of whether its a goal/touched/point or not, after all he IS the UMPIRE of the GOAL. you dont see a goal ump run off his line to over-rule the field to centre half back and say ' nope .. i was in the best position then .. it was a push in the back umpy, u got it wrong ' ... as an example
 
Mongrel said:
is there a set penalty for calling an umpire a cheat?
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There is no set penalty for calling an umpire a cheat. The directive came at the start of the year that any player that calls an umpire a cheat is to automatically be given a red card and sent to the tribunal. Clubs were told this at the start of the season, so no we can't offer a set penalty. Hopefully everyone knows now and we won't have to worry about it in the future.
 

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Animosity said:
hmm ... can see people abusing this thread, lets be on our best behaviour kids :D:thumbsu:

Question:

Why do field umpires over-rule a goal umpire a lot of the time? ive seen MANY cases where a field umpire over-rules a goal umpires decision when I think the goal umpy got it right. Isnt HE supposed to be in charge of whether its a goal/touched/point or not, after all he IS the UMPIRE of the GOAL. you dont see a goal ump run off his line to over-rule the field to centre half back and say ' nope .. i was in the best position then .. it was a push in the back umpy, u got it wrong ' ... as an example
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Thats an interesting one. Field umpires are predominately in charge and in the case of a goal umpire, we must give them the all clear before they signal a score. I would like to think that we don't overrule each too often, I had a game about a month ago that went down to the wire. I swear a point had been scored but the goal umpire called out of bounds on the full. I went with his decision. As for touched, sometimes it happens a distance away from the goal line so it may be difficult for them to see and theoretically we should be side on too the play giving us a good angle. Also as you are probably well aware, field umpires cop it if you think a goal umpire got it wrong, occasionally if we are straight down the line of the kick, or think we are in better position, we take the iniative to indicate what the score should be, also, on the other hand we also give the all clear without indicating a portion of the time, thus leaving it up to the goal umpire who is more often than not in a much better position than we are. Hope that helps!!!
 
Animosity said:
hmm ... can see people abusing this thread, lets be on our best behaviour kids :D:thumbsu:

Question:

Why do field umpires over-rule a goal umpire a lot of the time? ive seen MANY cases where a field umpire over-rules a goal umpires decision when I think the goal umpy got it right. Isnt HE supposed to be in charge of whether its a goal/touched/point or not, after all he IS the UMPIRE of the GOAL. you dont see a goal ump run off his line to over-rule the field to centre half back and say ' nope .. i was in the best position then .. it was a push in the back umpy, u got it wrong ' ... as an example
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The final decision is up to the goal umpire. Field umpires can offer there opinion but if the goal umpire is sure of there decision then it will stand. A field umpire can not overrule a goal umpire they can only offer there opinion.
 
Does a player that is constantly bagging or disputeing your decisions in a game run the risk of not being considered in your game day votes ? (all Umpires can have a go at this one)
 
I would like to know if umpires have certain instructions in regards to when a mallee breaks out? I have noticed that when this happens some umpires seem to get to close to the action and have a rather small tunnel vision.
If umpires were to stand back about 10-15 meters they would have a very clear view of everything, therefore seeing both sides involved in an incident.
 
blues12 said:
I would like to know if umpires have certain instructions in regards to when a mallee breaks out? I have noticed that when this happens some umpires seem to get to close to the action and have a rather small tunnel vision.
If umpires were to stand back about 10-15 meters they would have a very clear view of everything, therefore seeing both sides involved in an incident.
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Fair call we are instructed to keep our distance not only so we can see more but for our own safety as well. In saying that when a Melee breaks out we will never be able to see everything. Normally there will be several "spot fire", as we only have one set of eyes we are instructed to focus on one fight at a time, once that is broken up then we would move to the next. If we stood 10-15m away we probably would never break the fight up.
 
OMNIPOTENT_1 said:
Does a player that is constantly bagging or disputeing your decisions in a game run the risk of not being considered in your game day votes ? (all Umpires can have a go at this one)
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It all depends upon if us goal umpires are asked to help out with the votes. Usually if we find that a player who has been doing the wrong thing doesn't get a vote. Even if they have gotten all the goals or the highest possessions in a game.
 
just a question in regards to an earlier asked one, do umpires look at players body sizes when paying or not paying free kicks, i have noticed in recent weeks that if a big bloke has is head over the ball and cops a high bump by a smaller bloke he rarely gets the kick?
 
blues12 said:
just a question in regards to an earlier asked one, do umpires look at players body sizes when paying or not paying free kicks, i have noticed in recent weeks that if a big bloke has is head over the ball and cops a high bump by a smaller bloke he rarely gets the kick?
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No body size has nothing to do with it. Head high contact, whether it be a big body or a small body is a free kick
 

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To_Hard_To_Cheat said:
No body size has nothing to do with it. Head high contact, whether it be a big body or a small body is a free kick
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Well said. The amount of times we have heard somebody pipe up from the crowd saying "but umpire he is short" is starting to get boring. If the spectators don't know the rules of the game then they shouldn't be afraid to learn them. In fact learning the rules is the smart way to do things.
 
what distance is a kick measured at before it can not actually be called deliberatley out of bounds ..... is it the distance travelled FORWARD before it is too hard to call? if so, how far .. OR is it more of the intent of the players kick? (e.g if he kicks 35 metres forward&wide to no one but a paddock and lets it roll over )
 
There is no real distance. The umpire will take in the following criteria when determining deliberate out of bounds:
  • What is the player's intention?
  • What is the degree of presure the player is under?
  • What is the degree of force of the kick or handball?
  • Are there and team mates in the vacinity of where the ball crossses the boundary line?
Hope that this helps mate. ;)
 
If any umps still read this site.
What are the numbers like at the moment? I am told that 3 of last years umpires have been recruited to have a crack with the AFL, good luck to them. Has our own league recruited many to cover the loss. Also do we have the quality to cover them.
 

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blues12 said:
If any umps still read this site.
What are the numbers like at the moment? I am told that 3 of last years umpires have been recruited to have a crack with the AFL, good luck to them. Has our own league recruited many to cover the loss. Also do we have the quality to cover them.
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Our numbers are terrible!! We will not be able to fill all games this year, some reserve games will be umpired by club umpires. The loss of those three umpires does hurt us especially considering 2 of them umpired last year’s grand final. At the moment we do lack a little bit of experience at the top level, but there are some good young umpires coming through. We have also picked up a couple of umpires from other leagues which bring a lot of experience. So if there is anyone out there interested, we train one night a week (wednesday) at Mcphersons Park in Melton.
 
Too hard to cheat, you wrote on the other thread that the RDFLU have tried advertising etc, but funds can make it hard.
Can i ask and suggest a couple of ways. When advertising for umpires do adds ever include what the umpiring profession sky limits could be, lets not just try to attract umpires to this league but to AFL in general.
When becoming an RDFL umpire the sky is the limit while earning some extra cash in your earlier training years, a good umpire could end up at the next level, (we have 3 currently with the AFL umpires now) With the right training and the ambition you could become the next Darren Goldspink or The best umpire in the AFL competion with the potential to earn $??????? per game.
Try to make it very attractive, how many children grow up with the ambition to be an AFL footballer and make some good money. Some make it, most dont, but alot do end up becoming very good local senior footballers. Maybe a different angle could attract some new umpires.
The AFL often have grants for local football clubs, why not approach somebody and see if they also include umpiring associations. The AFL is really trying to boost itself, and just about every competition in this country would be short of umpires, maybe it is time for the AFL to promote becoming an umpire.
 
I can see why there are not many complaints about the umpires at the moment, Wallan has had simmo 5 out of 9 games :mad: if we use a rotation system most teams would get his outstanding skills only two times per season so i am a bit perplexed as to why we have him so often. i would also suggest that we shouldn't get him at all in the latter half of the season.
 
vobloke said:
I can see why there are not many complaints about the umpires at the moment, Wallan has had simmo 5 out of 9 games :mad: if we use a rotation system most teams would get his outstanding skills only two times per season so i am a bit perplexed as to why we have him so often. i would also suggest that we shouldn't get him at all in the latter half of the season.
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i can understand complaints about umpiring but i must admit it is a total waste of time.i personally have witnessed corruption in this league but why waste ya breath,u will only make it worse
 
Uncle_Touchy said:
i can understand complaints about umpiring but i must admit it is a total waste of time.i personally have witnessed corruption in this league but why waste ya breath,u will only make it worse
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I've tried to stay out of this argument for as long as I could, but I think you are implying that there are umpires in this league that are cheats. This is the biggest insult to an umpire as you are questioning the whole reason an umpire is out there. This forum is suppose to be for any one who has a decent question about an umpiring decision on the weekend. Please do not turn this into a free slagging forum. I am open to crticism but to just take pot shots at any umpire or the wholoe umpiring group is disappointing. :thumbsdown:
 

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