Auspac Contracts

[Beltaball]

A contract which allows Australians to play county cricket without being one of the overseas players.
This is significant given that in 2008 counties will be restricted to 1 overseas signing. But to sign it they must forgo playing for their country of birth for the next 4 years. After that period they are eligible to represent England.

Last I heard there were about 40 Australians either applying for or in England (on holiday)actually on one of those contracts.

Homegrown talent (if any)must get a bit tired of the influx of these Aussies who jeopardise their chances of representing their home country.

HAHAHAHAHA...

 

[CrazyQ]

Tupac > Auspac

 

[jnash196]

So in 2008 Warnie will be on this contract in 2008. Lucky Hampshire.

 

[Marklar_33]

Surely I can get a game for England

Catchya's later!!

 

[Romeo]

It still means that county cricket has too many players taking the place of genuine Englishmen who could be developed to play for their countries. Apart from the exception of a KP most of these players don't come through or can break the agreement and play for their countries, a la Paul Harris with kolpak.

 

[The_Reaper]

It still means that county cricket has too many players taking the place of genuine Englishmen who could be developed to play for their countries. Apart from the exception of a KP most of these players don't come through or can break the agreement and play for their countries, a la Paul Harris with kolpak.

England has 18 domestic teams, there are plenty of spots for youngsters who have a chance of playing for England.

KP the only good kolpak? Never heard of Andy Flower I take it

 

[Romeo]

England has 18 domestic teams, there are plenty of spots for youngsters who have a chance of playing for England.

KP the only good kolpak? Never heard of Andy Flower I take it

Flower was a gun for Zim. I'm talking about guys who've gone through and actually represented England, which would appear to justify having auspacs and kolpaks.

 

[red+black]

Doesn't matter how many Poms play county cricket, England will still select cricketers from South Africa, Scotland, India, Papua New Guinea, West Indies, Australia etc etc.

 

[The_Reaper]

Flower was a gun for Zim. I'm talking about guys who've gone through and actually represented England, which would appear to justify having auspacs and kolpaks.

They have to have kolpaks due to some European Union law (a kolpak needs to have a European born parent or grandparent). Kolpks and Auspacs are there to enhance the quality of the comp which enables young talent to improve by playing along side better quality players

 

[dan warna]

ROFL this will be the end of development as players will want 6 figure sums to move to the UK sucking up the budgets of county team.

100,000 pounds to development or 100,000 pounds to an O/S player.

ROFL short sightedness ftw.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

What a disgrace. The ICC needs to step in and stop this ridiculous English poaching. Make them develop their own players.

 

[Mr P@H]

ROFL this will be the end of development as players will want 6 figure sums to move to the UK sucking up the budgets of county team.

100,000 pounds to development or 100,000 pounds to an O/S player.

ROFL short sightedness ftw.

The World's best Spin Bowler is only on a contract of £40ish K. good for the counties but they still need to develop young players...

 

[dan warna]

The World's best Spin Bowler is only on a contract of £40ish K. good for the counties but they still need to develop young players...

warne's made his money, he was on fat contracts in previous years, in the 6 figure bracket.

he's retired, gonna get some fun, also probably make up the rest with marketting, guest speaking, endorsements, free accomodation, commercials, and possibly a radio/tv career in the UK.

the aussies loved him playing, but he was a dead duck in tv and the press, the brits booed him on field, but loved him off field.

will make more money int he UK than in Aus no doubt.

 

[Mr P@H]

warne's made his money, he was on fat contracts in previous years, in the 6 figure bracket.

he's retired, gonna get some fun, also probably make up the rest with marketting, guest speaking, endorsements, free accomodation, commercials, and possibly a radio/tv career in the UK.

the aussies loved him playing, but he was a dead duck in tv and the press, the brits booed him on field, but loved him off field.

will make more money int he UK than in Aus no doubt.

Oh definately, if we win a trophy he'll get a good pay off too, Chris Adams got around £100000 for winning the double with Sussex last year apparently.

 

[Marklar_33]

It still means that county cricket has too many players taking the place of genuine Englishmen who could be developed to play for their countries. Apart from the exception of a KP most of these players don't come through or can break the agreement and play for their countries, a la Paul Harris with kolpak.

There are far too many ordinary English cricketers playing county cricket, the better the opposition (ie. the more Kolpak/Internationals) the better the competition. Seems the ECB are short-sighted on this with their reduction to 1 international in 2008. Great for that never-gonna-make-it English league cricket knockabout though, hey?

 

[dan warna]

There are far too many ordinary English cricketers playing county cricket, the better the opposition (ie. the more Kolpak/Internationals) the better the competition. Seems the ECB are short-sighted on this with their reduction to 1 international in 2008. Great for that never-gonna-make-it English league cricket knockabout though, hey?

on the contrary, most of the money in english cricket is leaking overseas. THe english are falling into the trap of not developing players.

cricket at the competitive level is a full time activity.

Australia identifies talent very early and allows them to become professional cricketers very early.

Our 17/18 year olds are farming the the english minor counties for money and experience, instead of developing their own talent they are paying aussies, boks and kiwi kids $30k/$40 k to train in the UK. then come back here and play good district quality cricket as well here.

the only way the brits can develop long term success is to get programs in place to identify talent and get them into cricket professionally from a young age (16/17) and give them an education process and a wage in the same way the australians do.

Australian cricketers at the fC level and some a bit below ont he fringe FC level can make a good wage and career as a professional cricketer, by farming district, FC and the english competition.

the English dont have any where near the mechanisms of Australia.

cutting down OS players is not going to hurt england, its going to hurt, australia, the boks, the windians, the indians etc, and will release a bucket load of money into the county competition.

now the smart clubs will develop mechanisms to foster local talent, the stupid clubs will throw the money away or try and spend more to get in the no.1 O/S talent like say a tendulkar or punter to come over on even more money.

its really up to england if they want to go forward or continue to rust their competition for the benifit of us.

its time to stop blaming everyoen else and trying to get O/S players to qualify for england and its time to get the mechanisms in place to build a strong team for the future.

 

[Beltaball]

BBC SPORT

Exploring the depths of counties and Kolpak

• <LI class=author>Kevin Howells - Five Live cricket reporter
• 31 Jan 07, 04:04 PM

Most county signings occur with barely a mention but Yorkshire's decision to secure the services of South African Jacques Rudolph, without him counting as an overseas player, has done anything but.
Increasing evidence suggests that Rudolph is planning on using his three years (or less) at Yorkshire to further his international ambitions with South Africa.
That's despite the 25 year old putting his signature to a declaration forfeiting all future international ambitions, as demanded under qualification regulations.
While Yorkshire have been keen to show Rudolph as having a long-term commitment to the county, Gerald Majola of the South African cricket board painted a different picture.
He said "Jaques has definitely given us an assurance that he will come back. In fact, he actually approached us with the whole arrangement. The real reason he is going is so he can become a better player for South Africa in the future - he just said he needs more experience."
Player regulation has become murky since 2003, when the European Court's Kolpak ruling allowed players from countries with associate agreements with the European Union - like South Africa, Zimbabwe and several Caribbean islands - to count as domestic players.
Rules agreed by the first-class counties say that any player wishing to play in England and Wales under the Kolpak ruling must not have represented his country during the previous 12 months. Rudolph last did so only in August.
The pledge of turning his back on playing for South Africa is supposed to get around that issue but it appears none of these agreements are legally enforceable.
Normally the Professional Cricketers Association would be critical of such signings as barriers to the development of young English talent.
In this case, though, the players union agrees that a part of Yorkshire's present crisis and need of experienced batting could be due to one of their own members, namely Anthony McGrath, walking out of a contract at Headingley. The Chris Adams "Deal or No Deal' episode was also a disaster.
PCA vice-president (legal affairs) Ian Smith says what is really needed is '"improved communication", saying the organisation could have helped Yorkshire.
The PCA says there are two reasons it wants to keep to a minimum the number of players signed under Kolpak.
One is to prevent English talent being thwarted and the other is to stop other Test teams from gaining an advantage over England with the help of our own county clubs.
I can't imagine Yorkshire would disagree with those concerns but at the same time with two months to go before the new season, they have still to appoint a captain, a coach and they've a team that will struggle badly.
To look at the big picture, Yorkshire (like the rest) are only strong if England are strong. Look at the impact of the Ashes in 2005.
Therefore in this case the signing of Rudolp appears a backward move. Lots of runs and proven commitment is required for this not to be a backward step for all concerned.
One chief executive, Mark Newton of Worcestershire, doesn't believe Yorkshire are guilty of too big a crime, saying: "As long as they have worked within the rules we are happy."
Like, I imagine, most other county bosses, Newton is interested in whether or not the spirit of the agreement has been adhered to.
However, with heavy financial penalties kicking in this summer for those who don't field nine English-qualified players, he doesn't envisage the issue becoming too big a problem.
Every time Yorkshire play Rudolph in a Championship match during the season they will lose £1,100 from their ECB handout; in every one-day game they will lose £275.
It's worth pointing out that in 2008 - when each county is allowed only one overseas player - the same restriction of nine English-qualified players will apply.
As long as Rudolph is the only Kolpak player at that time, Yorkshire will then not face a financial penalty.
There remains the thorny issue of McGrath walking out of the club. I say this with no knowledge of the reasons and I may feel differently when Anthony explains himself but from where I'm sitting his actions are questionable.
I have known him for many years and from that knowledge alone I imagine it must be very serious as he is a good and generous man but his actions are partly responsible for an unholy mess, of which the implications are being widely felt.
Most people I speak to within and outside of Yorkshire believe he will still be at Headingley at the start of the season, as the legal costs of another county signing him will be too great.
If that is the case I hope everyone can swallow a big dollop of pride and start again. Yorkshire need McGrath badly and he may still need them.