Back to the future

[blue shark]

I thought we had ended the culture of paying over the top prices for trades, and shipping out our developing players to make this happen.
No wonder other clubs think we are a basket case.
No need to panic, just have a plan next year to turn this club into a powerhouse, on and off the field.
Drum, Connolly tried this swap meet, instead of developing our own squad.
Harvey needs to think seriously about the consequences of bringing in players for short term gain, if these moves dont succeed they can be coach killers.

 

[estibador]

Which high priced trades are you referring to?

This Clarke business could be a worry but most of the discussions I've seen are talking about picking players up on the cheap.

Bringing in players for short term gain is fine as long as you don't mortgage your future to do it (a la the Schwabbolly method). And it makes sense for us at the moment too because we have a mini window while Pav, Sandi and McPharlin are still around and firing.

 

[blue shark]

Mitch Clark, Fevola. O meara, Palmer, Griffen, Bradley, have all have been rumoured to be drafted, traded.
Harvey tried Mark Johnson, Soloman, Mcphie, with mixed results.
I just dont want the club to panic, and make rash decisions on this year alone.Winning premierships is a five year plan, Geelong were in this position in 05/06 I think.
If our coaching structures, set plays, basic skills, rehabilitation, are not up to scratch, doesnt matter who we get.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

The way I see it, as long as we dont give up much, and dont go over the salary cap, then why not.

We currently have over 1/2 dozen crabs we still need to get rid of so it's not like stifling someones development, but If the club does go down this route (with the FF), I hope we aim for another young FF in the draft too.

 

[peppy la pew]

Lolz at the 5 yr plan, this club is in a suspended 5 yr plan twilight zone.

If Palmer wants out, ta ta.

If Fev or Clarke want to come here, let the recruiters worry about it.

The days of paying overs, has well and truly passed us by.

 

[george2]

Mitch Clark, Fevola. O meara, Palmer, Griffen, Bradley, have all have been rumoured to be drafted, traded.
Harvey tried Mark Johnson, Soloman, Mcphie, with mixed results.
I just dont want the club to panic, and make rash decisions on this year alone.Winning premierships is a five year plan, Geelong were in this position in 05/06 I think.
If our coaching structures, set plays, basic skills, rehabilitation, are not up to scratch, doesnt matter who we get.

i think this is all correct bar the o'meara part. that is a long term fix not a short term fix, i think thats more drafting for the future. i really really hope we dont pursue mitch clarke. i have a horrible feeling that it will turn out to be another bad trade for us he doesnt have a good attitude. ive brought it up before but i reckon we should enquire about scott gumbleton becaue i think we will get him cheap and he could be anything. he is still young and a lot cheaper than clarke. then we draft 2 of mcinness, kersten talia and manson in this years draft and we will be set for a long time.

next years draft is a supposed super draft so im sure we could get another kpp with our first pick in that as well so i dont know what the big massive stress is all about.

 

[eastfreo75]

If we go into the trading period like Swans do, then I am fine with it.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

Yeah, paying over the odds and trading away our future has jumped the shark. What have you heard blue shark, apart from the rambling on our boards?

 

[blue shark]

Everyone would love O Meara, but this will be a bidding war, that the top four teams have the players and salary cap issues to secure.
If we dont get O Meara there are several 17 year olds that are worth the gamble, at less cost.
Yes O Meara is a long term player, but the short term cost will be huge.
Chris25 would be the best to answer which one, I like Jake Stringer, Geelong
have huge rapts on him, Selwood clone.
Always someone slides in the draft, Darling this year, the top 15 is apparently quality, we should have a range 13-15.
We got Fyfe at pick 20, he would now go top 5 if that year draft was done again.

 

[theGav56]

Mitch Clark, Fevola. O meara, Palmer, Griffen, Bradley, have all have been rumoured to be drafted, traded.
Harvey tried Mark Johnson, Soloman, Mcphie, with mixed results.
I just dont want the club to panic, and make rash decisions on this year alone.Winning premierships is a five year plan, Geelong were in this position in 05/06 I think.
If our coaching structures, set plays, basic skills, rehabilitation, are not up to scratch, doesnt matter who we get.

Trying hard to follow the Geelong bit. '05 was the year the paid 2 first rounders to get an injury prone Ottens. If they didn't get him, they would have struggled. They are the perfect story of why trading for the right piece of the puzzle is critical, along with Collingwood, Hawthorn and Sydney.

 

[blue shark]

07 flogged Port, already had the players in the system to win a flag.Players got together and had a heart to heart, and addressed previous problems.I think they changed fitness coach around that time too.Thompson also had the heat turned up on him.
Already have a player capable of kicking 50 goals a year, Silvagni can also play forward.
If we can get quality players with out being screwed, our history doesnt read well.

 

[theGav56]

07 flogged Port, already had the players in the system to win a flag.Players got together and had a heart to heart, and addressed previous problems.I think they changed fitness coach around that time too.Thompson also had the heat turned up on him.
Already have a player capable of kicking 50 goals a year, Silvagni can also play forward.
If we can get quality players with out being screwed, our history doesnt read well.

You don't think players have heart to hearts all the time? But the post I was asking you about was trading, in fact paying overs, for critical pieces of a team structure.

Too many posters on here talking about "if he came cheap". Far less important than the brains trust getting the right piece of the puzzle. If they reckon Clark is what we need (I don't) then go hard for him.

 

[blue shark]

Our list is top eight, if we can get most of our players on the track.Need to change coaching, off field problems, but I think we have the talent just like Geelong before they became a force.
If the mob down the road can be top four, we are at least equal with them for quality.

 

[Nickos66]

I agree with the Fev/Clark reference but i'd still like to have a red hot crack at gaining O'Meara. We're not talking about an inconsistent tempremental established key forward here, we're talking about a future star of the competition ala Swallow, Martin, Coniglio even.

 

[Scootyb]

i dont really want Mitch Clarke, ive changed my tune on him. I reckon he'd return Johnson-like intensity and isn't good enough to be brought over as a full time forward... unless he comes at a very reasonable cost

 

[Ysaye]

You don't think players have heart to hearts all the time? But the post I was asking you about was trading, in fact paying overs, for critical pieces of a team structure.

Too many posters on here talking about "if he came cheap". Far less important than the brains trust getting the right piece of the puzzle. If they reckon Clark is what we need (I don't) then go hard for him.

Gav, I agree if a guys the right piece of the puzzle then have a go. Mind you I am not sure with Tarrant and Anthony being brought over to be forwards when we are good at identifying the "right" piece.

I also would reiterate that I think this is a year for picking a key position forward with the first pick, which means that you are doubling up if you also trade for a player in the first round.

I also don't like the idea of a premiership window. sure Pav, McPharlin and Sandi could both be gone in 3 years time, but we will have a very experienced Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe and hopefully Hill and Morabito hitting their straps, as well as Clarke and Moeller. Maybe we will have OMeara as well and have an awesome midfield. If we draft the right key position players now to support them in three years, the "window" might be more open then.

 

[Patty_Moz]

Gav, I agree if a guys the right piece of the puzzle then have a go. Mind you I am not sure with Tarrant and Anthony being brought over to be forwards when we are good at identifying the "right" piece.

I also would reiterate that I think this is a year for picking a key position forward with the first pick, which means that you are doubling up if you also trade for a player in the first round.

I also don't like the idea of a premiership window. sure Pav, McPharlin and Sandi could both be gone in 3 years time, but we will have a very experienced Mundy, Barlow, Fyfe and hopefully Hill and Morabito hitting their straps, as well as Clarke and Moeller. Maybe we will have OMeara as well and have an awesome midfield. If we draft the right key position players now to support them in three years, the "window" might be more open then.

Yes well said. As great as Pav and Sandi have been and to a lesser extent Mcpharlin my feeling is that I doubt if they will win a premiership in their time at our club. The truth is atm they dont have the required support with the right experience to help them win a flag this was even more obvious this yr as both Sandi and Pav had less influence on the season we immediately struggled.

A much greater premiership contender can be built around Barlow, Mundy, Hill, Fyfe, Morabito but we now need to draft in some KPP to build a team to contend for a flag.