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You're surely trolling...Yeah your Aces held up but could you extracted better value by playing them different next time?
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You're surely trolling...Yeah your Aces held up but could you extracted better value by playing them different next time?
and youre just taking the blinds....You're surely trolling...
I had aces 2 weeks in a row both in early position at the 1/2k bb level.and youre just taking the blinds....
idk what your stack sizes are but if the players are rec pub players then they have defined tendencies that can be exploited.
Shoving pre with aces is the safe 'I dont have to make any tough decisions now' option. sure they will hold up a fair percent of the time and youll feel good about winning the blinds, but is it good enough?
Most pub games start with deepish stacks and end up as a short stack game, hence a lot of loose plays at the beginning and a shove fest at the end. Perhaps some different bet sizing might extract better value than just "Ive got the best hand pre" shove and then whinge about going bust when AA gets cracked?
Surely Im not....
Obviously no-one gives a s**t about position, stacks or cards for that matter at the games you are in. Keep experimenting with bet sizing and althoughI had aces 2 weeks in a row both in early position at the 1/2k bb level.
If you scroll up you can see my alternative play where I tried to get "value" and how that worked out...
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Check out the sick final hand from this local tournament on Sunday. Imagine losing with aces full heads-up.
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Tournament poker is an easy game when you run this good. Quads over aces full on the final hand twice in two months.
The dude is on a lifetime heater.Jerry again?
Lel, on a heater
Good luck on the weekend. If you see someone with a figurine of Southampton legend Matt Le Tissier as their card protector, say hi.I would want to be playing a lot better this weekend at the SA Open
How didn't you get stacked with those losing hands?Last night I went 0/2 with AA (lost to 77 flopped set and turned quads; second time lost to idiot calling gutshot draw on the flop and hitting on turn) and 0/1 with QQ (same idiot calls my 3-bet with 95 and flops trip 9s).
But strangely 2/2 with KK, my nemesis hand.
And also had a huge double up with J9 over 55 on 95J 9 4 board, massive cooler for my opponent.
All of the above was in the first 6 levels. Crazy times.
Good luck on the weekend. If you see someone with a figurine of Southampton legend Matt Le Tissier as their card protector, say hi.
They were early on when the blinds were low, plus I never improved on my starting hand so I was exercising pot control. They were also intermingled with some success:How didn't you get stacked with those losing hands?
Firstly I dont pretend to have a solution to any of this. I feel your pain and I understand the frustrations.Pretty close to giving up the game for a while. Sick of morons chasing with gut shots or pairs/two pairs and hitting the river when I have them crushed all the way through and they are making wrong calls on my value bets.
This whole long term thing is bullshitly frustrating as well, unless you are putting in multiple hours a day online or at the casino the variance isn't evening out and I've got a hell of a lot of catching up to do to make up the beats I've had in big pots over the last few months.
It's a paradox to solve too because the lower stakes you go to the worse the play is and people don't realise (or don't care) they are making horrible calls when they catch 1 outers or 2 outers on the river.
Yeah agreeFirstly I dont pretend to have a solution to any of this. I feel your pain and I understand the frustrations.
But I also recognise I make plays that would send you crazy.
I think part of the problem is when I started pockets were the kings of poker. There was a coded betting structure to let people know you had pockets and mostly those raises were respected.
Pockets are good for a heads up where your pockets are higher - but its still a card flip
You are right to say the low stakes/ Blinds also contribute to more players ''coming along'' . What then happens is the players in the later positions start saying ''i'm valued in'' as if 72 is a value hand - then it becomes a free for all where many variations of hands start to connect.
Ultimately I think it wont come down to the cards at all!! Huge statement I know but recognising personality types is one way to maximise your wins and minimise your losses
ie Tight , Loose , Maniacs - any two cards players - and passive, aggressive etc should structure your betting more than the cards ( yes the cards do help) by overbetting the passive tight players , underbetting the maniacs and controlling the loose aggressives.
Going back to the structured betting style - by varying your Xraise you can hopefully hide your hands. ie Raising 6x each time you have pockets is good - raising 3x each time you have a picture or an A - it gives information to the others at the table. I heard some players are now clock raising ie if the minute hand on the clock determines the Xraise instead of any pre-determined level.
But that all means nothing when someone calls in all in with 45 !
Good luck and I hope we dont lose you to the game. Your comments and responses have been valuable
I would want to be playing a lot better this weekend at the SA Open
Made it to day 2 - 180k stack. Could have been more but had variances ie down to 70 back to 220 - etc. Gives me enough to look at some orbits, pick my spots and hopefully get cards to play with.Good luck on the weekend. If you see someone with a figurine of Southampton legend Matt Le Tissier as their card protector, say hi.
I made it too, but only 134k after losing 100k on the last hand. I raised with AhKh 2 callers, flop T75 one heart, I bet and 1 call, turn 3d, I bet again, villain shoves. Obviously I can't call, and villain shows 67.Made it to day 2 - 180k stack. Could have been more but had variances ie down to 70 back to 220 - etc. Gives me enough to look at some orbits, pick my spots and hopefully get cards to play with.
I didnt see you but tomorrow you should be able to spot me fairly easily - username
Cheers , all the best to youI made it too, but only 134k after losing 100k on the last hand. I raised with AhKh 2 callers, flop T75 one heart, I bet and 1 call, turn 3d, I bet again, villain shoves. Obviously I can't call, and villain shows 67.
Horrible bluff in his spot, which he didn't even realise was a bluff. Any T or an overpair and I am snap calling. And dealer rabbit hunted the deck to reveal the river would've been an A.
Good luck today.
I just checked the Day 2 seating. My stack is not as bad as I thought it was relative to the field and there are no enormous stacks. The guy who took the 100k off me last hand is actually the chip leader.Cheers , all the best to you
A mate had a table where a guy said ''I'm feeling it'' and shoved K2 to an AA and rivered the flush.
Yeah I got the feeling most played to make Day 2 - ie conservative , nothing outrageous. I know my table did. I was able to take some chips by pushing a raise on some handsI just checked the Day 2 seating. My stack is not as bad as I thought it was relative to the field and there are no enormous stacks. The guy who took the 100k off me last hand is actually the chip leader.
Played both hands well.I went and played a game after and decided to push the gambling idea a bit
The woman who I have described before as the Chaser ( flushed me out in a previous post) and I had a tussle. I had AhJs. Flop is 3 hearts. Chaser bets 2k ( this is 100/200 blind levels) and I called. Turn is a spade and she bets 2k again. I call. River is a heart to give me the nut flush. No pairs - all good. She bets 2k and I raise it to 5 and she calls with the 9H ???
Couple of hands later, blinds are still 100/200 - young fella on his phone a lot ,has already pushed 1 all in -I have QJD - raises to 600. I call. Flop is AcKcJh - he bets 2k I call. Turn is 10h to give me the straight and 2 clubs and 2 hearts on the board. He shoves all in and I figure he has a Q and wants to steal the pot or is chasing the flush - if its a chop then the shove is good. If it is a flush draw then that makes things tricky
And this is where I make a choice I should be doing more in the bigger games but dont because its too early in the game. I call and he turns over 9Jclub - I was surprised to be honest as I thought the Q was more likely. I close my eyes and turn over the Heart for the river and take his stack.
But poker teaches us humility at times. KQ blinds are 5/10k and I have a nice stack and KQo in the BB. Folds around to SB and she calls. I raise to 20k and she cries and says ' oh ok bugger it '' and goes all in for about 60k. I have the stack and the cards and i call her. She turns over 68o.
Yep hits the 8 on the turn. She ends up winning the whole lot while I finish outside the money
Lol, I did this in December when I was card dead in the big blind getting blindied down 4/8k bbsCheers , all the best to you
A mate had a table where a guy said ''I'm feeling it'' and shoved K2 to an AA and rivered the flush.