Vic Bad news, mantis!

[Dont be a lemon]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/19/2718036.htm

Vale dogs.

 

[BWST]

Was actually going to mention that in a thread. I'm a dog owner of two cattle dogs ( blue heelers )......but that thing would have ripped my heelers to shreds, and my male is a big boy.

Is it the old adage, it's not the breed, it's the owners. Not too sure on that, maybe 60/40.

Those Staffy/Pitbulls/Amstaffs are very, very powerfully built in the head and jaws. If they decide to turn, it could be devastating. But if my cattle dogs decide to turn, they might give a nasty bite, but they are in no way capable of killing.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The most amzing thing is that the article said police were scared to shoot the **** in case the bullet would ricochet into someone.

 

[BigBadCam]

I'm sick of the government trying to tell us what's best for us, sugar coating everything and wrapping society up in cotton wool.

 

[Smell The Glove]

I hope they are not tarring all pit bulls with the same brush. Staffies are technically pit bulls and you will not find a more lovable dog anywhere with a good owner than a Staffy.

Its also a bit rough if one escapes (as Staffies tend to do) that is perfectly well trained and happy and just doesnt have its collar on for another reason. I assume common sense would prevail in those circumstances.

As they say, blame the owner, not the dog.

 

[HarryTiger]

They're always good with kids until they bite the kid's nose off. Funny that.

 

[J_Moore]

I'm sick of the government trying to tell us what's best for us, sugar coating everything and wrapping society up in cotton wool.

I'm sick of people who want to enjoy the benefits of living in a society, but think they should be allowed to do whatever the **** they want, even if it has the potential to seriously impact upon those around them.

If you own a pitbull and you're stupid enough to let it wander round on the streets, tough shit.

 

[Allbetsroff]

The is no reason to own any of those ugly dog breeds, usually its ugly and obese people who own them anyway, the dregs of humanity, scraping the bottom of the gene pool.

 

[EasternTiger]

"Most of these dogs that do the attacking are illegally owned, which gives you some idea of the mentality of the owners."

Maybe the owners should be put down as well. I mean, seriously, any dog owner that lets these dogs roam the streets deserves nothing less than a severe public flogging.

Vaccinate them so they can't breed (the owners not the dogs) and then give them a life-time ban from having access to Pay TV. If that doesn't deter the filth from taking responsibility for their dogs, then nothing will

 

[Asgardian]

Pitbulls are bred to fight and kill, it's their nature and they are very, very good at it.

Why we, as a civilised, non-violent society, allow such killers within our midst is beyond me.

I would ban them all, and those already here I'd have put down.

 

[bresker]

I'd put all the pit bulls and their owners on an island with nothing to eat but LSD-spiked corned beef and let them fight to the death.

'Dog Death Island' new season on C7, Sundays at 23.00pm

 

[BigBadCam]

Pitbulls are bred to fight and kill, it's their nature and they are very, very good at it.

Why we, as a civilised, non-violent society, allow such killers within our midst is beyond me.

I would ban them all, and those already here I'd have put down.

A bit hypocritical from you. South Australia is serial killer alley. Don't make me laugh either... You're not civilised over there.

 

[Hawk Dork]

I'd put all the pit bulls and their owners on an island with nothing to eat but LSD-spiked corned beef and let them fight to the death.

'Dog Death Island' new season on C7, Sundays at 23.00pm

Positive social engineering, good television
win win

 

[BBC.]

The ignorance towards dog behaviour in our society is truly a sad thing.

Anyone educated in dog behaviour knows that the breed isn't the problem.

 

[bresker]

I know

I've lost count of the number of times people have been savaged by springer spaniels and golden retrievers

"Anyone educated in dog behaviour" = some bloke of the internet who owns a scary dog and has appointed himself a canine expert.

 

[BBC.]

Ignorance is bliss hey, Bresker?

Maybe instead of being an internet hero do some research into dog psychology, you might learn something.

 

[Asgardian]

And you sir, are the ignorant one

DogsBite.org Releases 3-Year Fatality Study: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006 to December 2008
The report shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 fatalities. Pit bulls accounted for 59% of these deaths, the second leading breed, rottweilers, accounted for 14%.

Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009) -- DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.

The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.

Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13).

Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%. In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.

The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type.

The founder of DogsBite.org, Colleen Lynn, adds, "The off-property statistical data about pit bulls shows just how dangerous they are." She noted that six senior citizens were killed under these circumstances: "Two were killed while standing in their own backyard," she said. "Four others were killed while taking a morning walk or getting the mail."

http://www.dogsbite.org/newsroom-release-dog-bite-fatality-study-042209.htm

 

[BBC.]

Well done, Asgardian! You've manged to show that Pit Bulls are strong and powerful breed. You're a genius!!
Pit Bulls are like any other breed of dog. They all have pack instincts, you're either a leader or a follower. If dog owners don't show leadership to their dog it's natural for the dog to take on the role as the leader. Yes, that's right, even small to medium size breeds. This is where problems such as aggression, anxiety, fear etc. stem from for all breeds of dogs. It's just when a Pit Bull suffers from aggression problems it has the ability to do more damage than smaller dogs, hence the more fatalities. Unfortunately every redneck want to be gangsta wants one because they are big and strong, they don't show leadership to the dog and that's where the problems start.
Even owners of small dogs have the same problem, and they let it slide because they think it's cute. When you see a cute small white fluffy dog "playing" with a toy shaking it's head from side to side with the toy in it's mouth, guess what? That's not playing, that's it killing the toy and showing you it's the leader. It's just when these small dogs develop these problems and bite they're not big and strong enough to kill you. I take it you want all dogs that have attacked people banned and put down? Even the small fluffy ones? They are all suffering form the same aggression problems.
People like yourself and this Colleen Lynn need to stop blaming the breed of dog, and put the responsability on owners. The breed isn't the problem, the owner is! Pit Bulls, Amstaffs, Rottweilers etc. all given the correct leadership are gentle, loving, loyal dogs that wouldn't hurt a fly. Saying you want to ban them and put them down just because the are big and powerful is a bit naive. All breeds share the same instincts it's just the Pit Bull is bred to be strong, they're still just a dog like any other.

 

[Asgardian]

It's just when a Pit Bull suffers from aggression problems it has the ability to do more damage than smaller dogs,

Exactly the point I have been making for nearly 10 years now

If a pit bull attacks, it will cause major damage, even death

If a different breed, almost any other breed, attacks, its bite is nasty, but usually not fatal.

It's a question we as a total society should answer, not just a few lunatics that want to be Mr Tough Guy cause he owns a pit bull, the total society should decide if we want a breed such as pit bulls within our country

I for one vote no, keep that damn mongrel breed out, and kill all of them that are already here.

I have the same opinion for all like breeds, such as Dogo Argentino, Japanese Tosa, Fila Brasileiro and all Pit Bull types.

Why should a few morons in society have a breed of dog that is inherently more dangerous that the other 95 odd % of dog breeds that are available.

Simple answer, they shouldn't, the greater good for the society should rule

 

[Asgardian]

iAll breeds share the same instincts it's just the Pit Bull is bred to be strong, they're still just a dog like any other.

Actually physiologically their not, and you as a proponent of pit bulls should know this

 

[BBC.]

If a pit bull attacks, it will cause major damage, even death

If a different breed, almost any other breed, attacks, its bite is nasty, but usually not fatal.

Obviously my previous post went straight over your head. The breed isn't the problem. I don't know how to make any more clear. If you're too narrow minded to not understand then there is no point trying to convince you. You and the rest of the braindead rednecks can keep having your ignorant points of view.

So from the website you quoted 41% of dog attacks in the US that are fatal are from other breeds. Didn't you just say that "almost any other breed, attacks, its bite is nasty, but usually not fatal." Do you want to reconsider your last post? It seems you have contradicted yourself.

From the article linked in the OP, there were more than 3000 reported dog attacks, 435 admitted to hospital and 1200 required emergency treatment. How many of those do you think were by Pit Bulls? Sweet FA.

I'm not here to debate the topic, I'm here to try and get people to understand dogs. If you don't want to listen then don't bother replying.

 

[Andre]

Geez, I don't know how any owner of a dog can say each breed is equally capable of violence. There are dogs that are big/strong enough to act as guard dogs or the like, that if raised so are dangerous. Rotties fall under that category. As someone who owned a rottie, I don't have a problem saying that. Mine was raised as a family pet and for his 12 years never bit another dog or a person, no matter how provoked.

There are a handful of breeds, that have been bred for aggressiveness though. And pit bulls are one of them. Asgardians stats aren't plucked out of thin air. With probably the most relevant being off properties attacks. If you jump in a yard containing a rottie, you don't know if it's there for being a guard dog and those taken on the streets aren't killing multiple times a year. Pit bulls no matter how they've been raised are, once they are taken / get off a property.

It's simple nature vs. nurture. You can mold a dog so far, but you can't force it to go completely against it's nature. And a pit bulls nature is aggression.

 

[Asgardian]

I'm not here to debate the topic, I'm here to try and get people to understand dogs. If you don't want to listen then don't bother replying.

What a "pussy" reply

Giving you any credibility on the subject is like believing Charles Manson could be a relationship counselor.

 

[Smell The Glove]

What a "pussy" reply

Giving you any credibility on the subject is like believing Charles Manson could be a relationship counselor.

Coming from a poster who takes the conclusion of another poster without actually addressing any of the points he made.

The only problems with pit bulls arise due to human error, whether on the part of the owner or the victim. Fact. Nothing you have typed contradicts that. The real problem is that any ******** can own a dog, unfortunately.

Face it, the only pussy here is you.

 

[bit_pattern]

I know

I've lost count of the number of times people have been savaged by springer spaniels and golden retrievers

"Anyone educated in dog behaviour" = some bloke of the internet who owns a scary dog and has appointed himself a canine expert.

A study by Merritt Clifton, which analyzed serious attacks in the U.S. and Canada between 1982 and 2006, determined that Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios, and their mixes were responsible for 74% of attacks studied and 65% of fatalities.[6][7] Another study indicates that pit bulls and their mixes were involved in approximately one third of the reported human dog bite-related fatalities between 1981 and 1992, while Rottweilers were responsible for about half of those fatalities reported between 1993 and 1996. [7]