be constructive - whats your game plan then ?

[bong pocket]

I have read all this verbal crap caning bailey - whats his game plan - thought he'd have something different - players don't know what they are supposed to do with it when they get it !
have you ever formulated a game plan yourselves ?
you can only form one according to the personel ie its no use kicking long to a contest if you have no contested marking options
look at your players and form a game plan

we don't have any quality key defenders - we cannot defend a game to victory like your swans or crows

we don't have a fwd line like hawthorns to win a shoot out


is shortening quarters to ten minutes a game plan ?

baileys plan is obviously to keep posession of the football - where possible run the ball and whilst we maintain posession to continue running

this means that whilst perfecting this
players will occassionally make decesion making errors

turn the ball over and thus be caught wildly out of position and have easy goals kicked against them

overuse the ball

occassionally hold onto the ball for too long and force those upfield out of position

eventually play an exciting attacking brand of football just like hawthorn - does anyone remeber clarksons first year at hawthorn - they turned the footy over just like us - every one wanted to top clarkson -
they had one advantage they already had some recruits in the system
got some more draft pics and away they went
hold your line - bailey is and will - fact he doesn't have the player capability to match it with other afl teams yet - when he does and it doesn't work he will cop the blame i am sure

my questions is for the melbourne recruiters over the last 5 years

 

[MicksterD]

Yep recruiters have alot to answer for and I think we have to give the Preacher his dues - finals every second year over a decade with this bunch - a truly great effort

 

[dee-molishon]

I have read all this verbal crap caning bailey - whats his game plan - thought he'd have something different - players don't know what they are supposed to do with it when they get it !
have you ever formulated a game plan yourselves ?
you can only form one according to the personel ie its no use kicking long to a contest if you have no contested marking options
look at your players and form a game plan

we don't have any quality key defenders - we cannot defend a game to victory like your swans or crows

we don't have a fwd line like hawthorns to win a shoot out


is shortening quarters to ten minutes a game plan ?

baileys plan is obviously to keep posession of the football - where possible run the ball and whilst we maintain posession to continue running

this means that whilst perfecting this
players will occassionally make decesion making errors

turn the ball over and thus be caught wildly out of position and have easy goals kicked against them

overuse the ball

occassionally hold onto the ball for too long and force those upfield out of position

eventually play an exciting attacking brand of football just like hawthorn - does anyone remeber clarksons first year at hawthorn - they turned the footy over just like us - every one wanted to top clarkson -
they had one advantage they already had some recruits in the system
got some more draft pics and away they went
hold your line - bailey is and will - fact he doesn't have the player capability to match it with other afl teams yet - when he does and it doesn't work he will cop the blame i am sure

my questions is for the melbourne recruiters over the last 5 years

the recruiter who is responisble for what i term "the moscow circus" is now gone to richmond.

Its fine and well to play a possesion game when you have skillful players, but you need to look at the list and decide if that game plan fits.

Short answer: its doesnt, we dont have the skill level to hit targets or the legs to run to space to create targets.

My game plan: Get the ball, kick it through the big sticks. Maybe thats bails plan at the moment too. Cause there is no run, no structure, just looked like a bunch a of cows grazing the mcg today.

 

[Major Colvin]

First question to you is, why so much interest considering you support GEELONG?

As for the question its useless implementing a gameplan when you dont have the basic god damn skills to carry it out. The problem wih implementing a gameplan like Hawthorn did today is that we dont have the skill level to carry it out.

 

[MicksterD]

First question to you is, why so much interest considering you support GEELONG?

As for the question its useless implementing a gameplan when you dont have the basic god damn skills to carry it out. The problem wih implementing a gameplan like Hawthorn did today is that we dont have the skill level to carry it out.

LMAO - so Bailey's pre game speach would have been something along the lines of "so guys, you know we are working on your skills so in the meantime just kick it around the park and see how it goes" LMAO I have tears in my eyes because that sounds like exactly what happened

 

[2 Dogs]

I say we organise a weekly kitty where we all put money in, and a through random selection, possibly a lotto type deal, one person from BF is selected to run out 10 mins into the first qtr to kick the shins of the oppositions best 2 players. The kitty is used to cover all fines received for pitch invasions and court preceedings that are likely to follow. If you can get off without being caught, you get to keep the money raised.

Fool proof I think, except for the fact that I'm pretty sure we would still get beaten by 13 other sides using this method. Suggest using this only for Richmond and Carlton, and possibly on Pavlich.

 

[dee-molishon]

I say we organise a weekly kitty where we all put money in, and a through random selection, possibly a lotto type deal, one person from BF is selected to run out 10 mins into the first qtr to kick the shins of the oppositions best 2 players. The kitty is used to cover all fines received for pitch invasions and court preceedings that are likely to follow. If you can get off without being caught, you get to keep the money raised.

Fool proof I think, except for the fact that I'm pretty sure we would still get beaten by 13 other sides using this method. Suggest using this only for Richmond and Carlton, and possibly on Pavlich.

LMAO good idea, except i dont think it would quite work. prehaps we substitute the shin kicking for a crow bar instead?

 

[bong pocket]

i coach footy myself and bailey caught my interest when he got the job so i am interested because of that if thats fair enough
I think its reasonable to say all these players do have a level of skill in their own right - anyone who gets to afl level is extremely talented
more likely they are suffering from another area that is affecting their skill such as lack of leadership, confidence, talk etc
The palyers are human because we pay them alot does not make them immune to mental pressures, performance anxiety etc

 

[dee-molishon]

i coach footy myself and bailey caught my interest when he got the job so i am interested because of that if thats fair enough
I think its reasonable to say all these players do have a level of skill in their own right - anyone who gets to afl level is extremely talented
more likely they are suffering from another area that is affecting their skill such as lack of leadership, confidence, talk etc
The palyers are human because we pay them alot does not make them immune to mental pressures, performance anxiety etc

our players couldnt even get a hard on if they tried!

 

[swansfan51]

I say we organise a weekly kitty where we all put money in, and a through random selection, possibly a lotto type deal, one person from BF is selected to run out 10 mins into the first qtr to kick the shins of the oppositions best 2 players. The kitty is used to cover all fines received for pitch invasions and court preceedings that are likely to follow. If you can get off without being caught, you get to keep the money raised.

Fool proof I think, except for the fact that I'm pretty sure we would still get beaten by 13 other sides using this method. Suggest using this only for Richmond and Carlton, and possibly on Pavlich.

I don't think you are giving your idea enough credit. The interchange-junkies like Malthouse will go berserk with only 2 players left on their benches and you can surely pick up wins against them as well. Coming from a rugby background I've always been shocked that you can't get sent off an AFL field, even if you took out a crowbar and leveled someone. I'm glad someone else has thought along the same lines to get an advantage

 

[CaptainDavey]

Ball go through big sticks. Repeat

 

[dee-molishon]

Ball go through big sticks. Repeat

Its funny because you really can imagine it.

Another classic simpsons episode homer coaching pee wee football.

DO you think bails went to his vibratiting football game in the coaches box before the quater time speech?

"Neita you spin around in a circle and robbo you virbrate to the right ok?"

 

[master bate]

I don't think you are giving your idea enough credit. The interchange-junkies like Malthouse will go berserk with only 2 players left on their benches and you can surely pick up wins against them as well. Coming from a rugby background I've always been shocked that you can't get sent off an AFL field, even if you took out a crowbar and leveled someone. I'm glad someone else has thought along the same lines to get an advantage

I'm a huge fan of mass violence, and we don't even need bigfooty posters to do it, with Miller, Warnock, Jamar etc etc we can just use one crap player a week for the rest of the year to wipe out 5 of the opposition.

 

[CaptainDavey]

Its funny because you really can imagine it.

Another classic simpsons episode homer coaching pee wee football.

DO you think bails went to his vibratiting football game in the coaches box before the quater time speech?

"Neita you spin around in a circle and robbo you virbrate to the right ok?"

"Yze, cut. White, cut. Green, you're so cut. Weetra, loved your hustle, you're cut"

 

[dee-molishon]

"Yze, cut. White, cut. Green, you're so cut. Weetra, loved your hustle, you're cut"

wish it was that easy captain.

 

[melbournemartin]

"Yze, cut. White, cut. Green, you're so cut. Weetra, loved your hustle, you're cut"

I can just imagine Yze after being given the match ball after today.

"Gimme a Y"

 

[StingaArmstrong]

I saw some positive signs in our game plan today, which was that we were actually able to run the ball off half back with some, and i stress some, support. Our issues were the link kick to half forward, and then the kick to full forward.

We must hit these targets, and kick the ball to our forwards ADVANTAGE, we constantly bomb high and long rather then low and out in front. When we did this our forwards took marks.

The game plan is there, but the execution is far from there. Get this right and we're away. There is a distinct lack of defensive pressure which also hurts.

Another issue i saw was centre clearances, and Brock and J. Mc are our two main cuprits. They just grab the ball and bomb it without looking. Surely they can take an extra second to spot where they are kicking it, or get a handball to someone in a bit of space.

 

[Supermercado]

Fool proof I think, except for the fact that I'm pretty sure we would still get beaten by 13 other sides using this method. Suggest using this only for Richmond and Carlton, and possibly on Pavlich.

I want it the week we're playing Carlton. Judd is going to feel the pain that all his 'fellow' MFC fans are.

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

Simple. Long kicks in the corridor, manning up, Green to HFF, Davey to FP, Yze to Sandringham, no handballing if you see a wall *if wall is hard, kick to space*.

 

[montybrasco]

What an abysmal start to ‘08, but not totally unexpected. Everything that can be said has been pretty much covered so it’s just a case wait and see. Yeah your can cheer and be as positive as much as you like, but the onus is squarely on the administration and coaching panel. Not the fans.

No one wants to hear about the Kevin Sheedy what-ifs but the cold hard reality is that the most successful modern coach [finals every 1.4 years as Ess. coach] and hands-on marketer of the sport walked in Melbourne’s door and the hierarchy said no, we’re going with an untried head coach who’s son put together a smashing power point presentation.

On a positive note: Since Ana Ivanovic is a Dees supporter it seems she feels our pain and like a true honey she has her own game plan to be positive and to alleviate the horror start of 2008. My immediate game plan is forget about week 1 and try and watch a little Sony Ericsson action.

Please note, Mr. McNamee, the following marketing option is no longer available to you.

MIAMI (Sportsman's Daily Wire Service) -- Twenty-year-old tennis phenom Ana Ivanovic has answered her fan's pleas to make her game more alluring by agreeing to hike her skirt an additional two inches at the upcoming Sony Ericsson Open in Miami. The move is meant to attract more male fans, (and some curious female fans) to her matches.
"She's a wonderful tennis player and a beautiful woman, but let's face it, guys go to women's matches to watch their skirts flip up while serving," said Alan Garver, a representative from IMG. "Catching a glimpse of peach-colored panties, as delicate beads of perspiration slowly cascade down tight and tanned thighs, can be a splendid thing. It often inspires the older male fans to harken back to their innocent youth and the days of grabbing their first breast or swapping spit with their cousin's older girlfriend. So, on a business level, the hiking of the skirt works."
"I was drawn to tennis because of the women," said John McEnroe. "A lot of people attribute my meteoric rise to stardom to my insatiable will to win and off and on court intensity. That's total BS. I just wanted to take a healthy peek at Chrissy Evert's unyielding ass -- back when she was the perky, Catholic school girl type and was something to behold; not the stone-faced and acrid ogre we've all had to endure the past 20 years."
"We're all excited about Ana's decision to hike her skirt," said former pro and current tennis analyst Mary Joe Fernandez. "Hopefully after this we won't get crap from the men about making the same money. When you combine a brilliant baseline stroke with taut ass cheeks, the world is your oyster."
Ivanovic was a Serbian wunderkind who soared up the women's rankings after turning pro in 2003. Savvy sports marketing pros as well as some perverted German businessmen lurking outside her practice facility had her pegged early on as a future tennis diva.
"I liken her to a Balkan Anna Kournikova with brains," said Glenn Adamchak of the independent marketing firm, The Reserve Group. "She's the perfect Bond girl -- with the come-hither stare, charming accent and the kind of dynamic athleticism that makes you think she could do a series of back flips, make a perfect pinpoint landing on your shoulders and snap your neck with a tidy twist of her inner thigh. She's big business, and we all want a piece of her."

 

[Pjkimber]

This was one of the pieces in the sunday sun written by Kevin Sheedy.

• DEAN Bailey has taken on the coaching job at Melbourne and everyone thinks he is an eskimo from the north pole.

Who the hell is he? I can tell you he's a very shrewd and intelligent man.
He's a very smart person in the way he operates, seeks information and gets things done.
That's how he was as a player at Essendon.
He arrived in the aftermath of an excellent period at Windy Hill, in the latter '80s.
The new batch of players was always going to be marked hard when following great teams such as those of '83, '84 and '85.
All players at Essendon are judged harshly, because they're compared with the likes of Jack Clarke, John Coleman, Dick Reynolds, Tim Watson and James Hird.
Bailey wasn't there that long as a player and was probably unlucky to miss the 1993 premiership team.
He never had the capacity to run as fast as Watson, Chris Judd or Kevin Bartlett. But he always had a great vision, an ability to assess the situation and knew how to get the ball.
He wasn't Greg Williams but was similarly adept - he could move it, get it, give it and dispose of it.
Bailey got a coaching job when not a lot of other coaches out there could. That's how smart this young man is.
Give him a chance, give him the time.
He's not Ron Barassi or Tom Hafey or Leigh Matthews - but he just may be Allan Jeans.
Bailey left Essendon to coach in Queensland with Mt Gravatt. He returned to Essendon as assistant and development coach and eventually went to Port Adelaide as an assistant. He's done the hard yards and I respect him for that. He worked with two very, very screw-loose coaches -- myself and Mark Williams.
I always thought he was a very good assistant coach with a lot of thinking capacity. His strength will be in communication and tactics.
Melbourne needs a lot of help and he fits the bill. The Demons have a new chief executive and things are turning in the right direction.
One of the funniest episodes I've ever seen at Essendon was Dean Bailey's "night of humour".
I can't go into it too much because he framed a certain person, but it was a classic night.
He has a very smart sense of humour.
He impressed the people at Melbourne who were selecting their coach and he was the right person for the job.
The most important thing is the club believes he's the right man and supports him 100 per cent.
Almost everyone predicts the Demons will finish down the bottom of the ladder, but no one really knows how they'll go.
Every coach has got pressure on him going into the season, and Dean will cope with it well.
Fans have to remember that most coaches never win a premiership. Sometimes coaching is not about winning premierships, it's about developing your club to a position to win a premiership.
Think of all the great players in history who have been great coaches but never got near a final.
Neale Daniher didn't play 100 games and he got Melbourne to a Grand Final.
Jeans never played 100 games, neither did did Tom Hafey. Imagine if Dean Bailey ends up as good as them.
This may be a great story about to unfold.
I know he's got a very smart footy brain and he's rightfully got his gig.
Baileys on ice - cheers.

I think we made the right choice in selecting bailey over a more experienced coach like sheedy and it is nice to see Sheeds endorse him.

 

[demonfan9]

Of all the problems which we suffered from yesterday, the obvious one was kicking out. We took too long to kick out, and by the time we did Hawthorn had set up a 100m zone. This meant that even if we got the first kick (which more often than not was a 25m chip to the back pocket), we had nowhere to go for the next kick. They protected the space so well, particularly the centre of the ground. They forced us wide, and even still they outnumbered us in these areas.

So, firstly, we need to be a lot quicker when we kick in, and our midfielders must run harder to create space. That's the only way to beat the zone. They made it look so easy when they kicked in. They either spotted up someone at centre half back, and then ran it through the middle (Bateman killed us like that, we should've tagged him) or they went quick and wide to the flanks/wings where they were able to create lots of space. We really need to take a leaf out of their book. And we need to establish a quality half back (again, look at Bateman) that can run the ball out of the backline (ie. Buckley) but more importantly, use it well.

We broke even with the clearances yesterday, but when Hawthorn got a clearance, they ran it forward with ease, whereas when we got it, we kicked it aimlessly into the sky. So we need to place some of our good ball users around (not, in) the packs to ensure that Jones, McLean, Moloney and McDonald have got someone to give it to.

Going into the forward line in the first quarter, before the game was over, we lacked crumbers. Too many times were Neitz, Robertson and Newton forced to try and crumb their own packs. It was never going to work. It's as if we tried to outstretch the Hawks defence with talls, in the meantime neglecting the fact that we need the likes of Davey, Green and Yze there to get the ball when it hits the ground. If we had some crumbers early, it would've been a different scoreline (we could've had 3-4 goals at quarter time, which means our players wouldn't have dropped their heads for the rest of the game).

I noticed in the pre-season that we tried to handball our way out of the backline. This is all well and good if we've got the players to do it, but we don't. I mentioned earlier that we need to establish a quality half back. Until we do, then we shouldn't play that type of game. Instead, we should stack the half forward line with marking players who we can kick long too. This means that if they drop the mark or are spoiled, it can rebound to our midfielders which at least gives us half a chance. It also means that we can get the ball into the forward 50 quicker, which was a major problem yesterday. Our forwards had no space to lead to, because we were too slow using the ball off half back and through the middle.

 

[The Demon]

A couple of things stood out for me from Sunday's game that had a huge influence on the scoreline:

Firstly, the lack of pressure on the Hawthorn ball carriers.With no pressure they were able to pinpoint their passes to the Hawthorn forwards.This made Hawthorn look a lot better than they actually were and blow out the scoreboard.

Secondly the Melbourne players looked confused! They didn't know where to go when they had the ball and many times two or more forwards were leading to the same spot instead of providing options.

Bailey may very well have the right game plan,but if the players don't start picking it up very quickly he will be gone before the end of the season.

Every team at AFL level should be at least competitive.At the very least they owe this to their members and supporters.

To move forward from Round One the Demons need to put more pressure on the opposition when they have the ball.This in turn will cause the opposition to make errors and cough up the ball and make a contest out of the game.

Also they need to be all crystal clear on what they have to do once they gain possession of the ball.

IMO the best footy the Demons have played in recent times has been when they run in numbers,take chances and move the ball quickly into the forward line.

The more indecisive they are in trying to keep possesion of the ball, the more mistakes they make.They just don't have the skill to pull off a possession based game plan.

Here's hoping we can at least be in the game at some stages against the Bulldogs!

 

[saj_21]

Deomfan and the Demon, both you guys are spot on. We were to slow to kick and with hawthorns zone we had to kick short to the pocket and then Hawthorn just pushed their zone back 30 metres. We need quick ball movement by hand and foot. I thought buckley was one player who tried to take the game on and move the ball quickly.

We need davey in the forward line to bring back the pressure on the oppositions backline when running out of defence. He seems to get lost in the midfield. Brad green up forward he gets lost on the wing spends to much time ball watchin and does not man up at all. White out of the ruck and Johnson into the ruck. At least this guy has a crack and provides a contest around the ground, something Jeff White does not do. Miller up forward, let this bloke roam between the 2 50's, this is where he plays his best footy.

Just move the ball quickly.

 

[Flowerpower]

Deomfan and the Demon, both you guys are spot on. We were to slow to kick and with hawthorns zone we had to kick short to the pocket and then Hawthorn just pushed their zone back 30 metres. We need quick ball movement by hand and foot. I thought buckley was one player who tried to take the game on and move the ball quickly.

We need davey in the forward line to bring back the pressure on the oppositions backline when running out of defence. He seems to get lost in the midfield. Brad green up forward he gets lost on the wing spends to much time ball watchin and does not man up at all. White out of the ruck and Johnson into the ruck. At least this guy has a crack and provides a contest around the ground, something Jeff White does not do. Miller up forward, let this bloke roam between the 2 50's, this is where he plays his best footy.

Just move the ball quickly.

1. Tell Carroll he is there to play football not look like a clown. Terrible.

It was obvious the players could not give a rats bum about each other or the fans in the stands.

Correct me if I'm wrong here. These blokes are here to play football and this is their primary income / job.

The coach should try(?) and unite them by using any means possible, including shock tactics and that might mean, for example, sending the Captain back to the magoos. Or delist Yze - today. Something that might put a firecracker up them and get them thinking it aint a walk in the park.

Where is Godfrey when you need him now???????????????????????

Once again, we are the laughing stock of the football world. Us and Josh Fraser after being outmarked by Peter Bell.

Now that was really, really funny.