Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
I don't think so. However in the Blackjack rules it says it's allowed in Crown Pontoon.
I don't think so. However in the Blackjack rules it says it's allowed in Crown Pontoon.
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Is it just me or has BigFooty been really slow lately?
Anyway, re Andy Bloch's DVD. The 4 concepts he discusses are:
- basic strategy
- counting cards
- optimal betting
- team play
You probably could have guessed that anyway. I think teamwork is an important factor, because it can allow one person to play sub-optimally. That way, each person need not bet according to the count, but vary their bets, maybe one underbets, one overbets. Another situation where game theory can be of use. Of course, substituting players is good too.
Is it just me or has BigFooty been really slow lately?
Anyway, re Andy Bloch's DVD. The 4 concepts he discusses are:
- basic strategy
- counting cards
- optimal betting
- team play
You probably could have guessed that anyway. I think teamwork is an important factor, because it can allow one person to play sub-optimally. That way, each person need not bet according to the count, but vary their bets, maybe one underbets, one overbets. Another situation where game theory can be of use. Of course, substituting players is good too.
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
Glad it's not just me.
Glad it's not just me.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478087/
New movie, 21, to be co-produced by Kevin Spacey:
"21" is the fact-based story about six MIT students who were trained to become experts in card counting and subsequently took Vegas casinos for millions in winnings.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478087/
New movie, 21, to be co-produced by Kevin Spacey:
"21" is the fact-based story about six MIT students who were trained to become experts in card counting and subsequently took Vegas casinos for millions in winnings.
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
If you are interested you should read the books on the MIT blackjack teams - great reading. The first one is called Bringing Down the House.
I actually played that single deck blackjack game in Vegas. It might seem like a huge advantage, but it isn't really because the bet limit is really low and can't be changed mid-deck to take advantage of a positive count.
If you are interested you should read the books on the MIT blackjack teams - great reading. The first one is called Bringing Down the House.
I actually played that single deck blackjack game in Vegas. It might seem like a huge advantage, but it isn't really because the bet limit is really low and can't be changed mid-deck to take advantage of a positive count.
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
That's a game they want you to play like BJ, because it looks very similar but is completely different, i.e. I dont think they have any 10s in the deck....
That's a game they want you to play like BJ, because it looks very similar but is completely different, i.e. I dont think they have any 10s in the deck....
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
This seems to be the main BlackJack thread so I thought I'd post here.
Fox8 tonight, rather than screening poker, are showing the Ultimate BlackJack Tour. Maybe we'll see Erica Shoenberg!
Other poker players that have played on UBT are "Miami" John Cernuto, Alex Brenes, Antonio Esfandiari, David "Devilfish" Ulliott, Blair Rodman, Dewey Tomko, Annie Duke, Clonie Gowen, Freddy Deeb.
For those wanting their TV poker fix tonight there's always Channel 31 for Aces High.
This seems to be the main BlackJack thread so I thought I'd post here.
Fox8 tonight, rather than screening poker, are showing the Ultimate BlackJack Tour. Maybe we'll see Erica Shoenberg!
Other poker players that have played on UBT are "Miami" John Cernuto, Alex Brenes, Antonio Esfandiari, David "Devilfish" Ulliott, Blair Rodman, Dewey Tomko, Annie Duke, Clonie Gowen, Freddy Deeb.
For those wanting their TV poker fix tonight there's always Channel 31 for Aces High.
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
lol, its been like that for a month at least now
no wpt
This seems to be the main BlackJack thread so I thought I'd post here.
Fox8 tonight, rather than screening poker, are showing the Ultimate BlackJack Tour. Maybe we'll see Erica Shoenberg!
Other poker players that have played on UBT are "Miami" John Cernuto, Alex Brenes, Antonio Esfandiari, David "Devilfish" Ulliott, Blair Rodman, Dewey Tomko, Annie Duke, Clonie Gowen, Freddy Deeb.
For those wanting their TV poker fix tonight there's always Channel 31 for Aces High.
lol, its been like that for a month at least now
no wpt
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
I watched it once. That was enough.
I watched it once. That was enough.
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yeah i thought as much. i haven't been home on fridays so didn't know. I'll have to give it a look-see at least once.
yeah i thought as much. i haven't been home on fridays so didn't know. I'll have to give it a look-see at least once.
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
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Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
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Will post more BJ clips later.
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
I guess this is the default BJ thread. Anyway, here's a trailer for 21, the new blackjack movie.
Loosely based on the MIT team.
Stars Kevin Spacey, Kate Bosworth and Laurence Fishburne.
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I guess this is the default BJ thread. Anyway, here's a trailer for 21, the new blackjack movie.
Loosely based on the MIT team.
Stars Kevin Spacey, Kate Bosworth and Laurence Fishburne.
[YOUTUBE]XYXKGT4AjDQ[/YOUTUBE]
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Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
Is there anywhere in Crown that dont have the constant shuffling machines?? For example Mahogany room or anything like that? There has to be somewhere surely, those things would cost a fortune but i guess they would pay themselves off in the first hour of use
Is there anywhere in Crown that dont have the constant shuffling machines?? For example Mahogany room or anything like that? There has to be somewhere surely, those things would cost a fortune but i guess they would pay themselves off in the first hour of use
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
A friend gave me an article from the Hun, June 21, but I couldn't find it online, so I scanned it, but it didn't come up good. So I retrieved it from Newstext.com.au. Long, but worth the read. Further proof that not only Crown, but the State Government and the Victorian Commission for Gaming Regulation are rorting the average punter:
Herald-Sun, SAT 21 JUN 2008, Page 029
DOUBLE OR NOTHING - How Crown tilts the odds in its favour by MICHAEL WARNER
A SLICE of Las Vegas came to Melbourne last year when Crown casino chiefs introduced a US-style blackjack game in its swish high-roller Teak Room. For local card sharks, it was seen as a chance to test their wares against a form of blackjack they only ever saw in the movies. But within weeks, after Crown had stacked the deck, the game was gone. "It was a farce from the start," Crown high roller Ron Parsons tells the Herald Sun. "They sold it as Vegas-style blackjack -- the only problem was, they modified it to their advantage and changed the splits, doubles and surrenders. People eventually woke up and realised they'd been suckered."
The casino had altered the rules, depriving punters of betting options offered under traditional Las Vegas blackjack. Critics of the Southbank gambling complex, which last year sucked a record $1.06 billion from the pockets of its customers, say this is the way business is always done -- Crown style. The latest change, as revealed in today's Herald Sun, is the introduction of card-shuffling machines in the VIP Mahogany Room, a move some gamblers believe will boost the casino's winning edge. It follows a decision to add an extra house number to the $2.50 roulette wheels on the public gaming floor. A double 00 has been added to the wheels, which also retain the single 0, effectively doubling the casino's profit margin from 2.7 per cent to 5.26 per cent.
Crown chiefs say all of their rules have been approved by the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation. "We adhere to and abide by all of the rules and regulations laid down by the VCGR and the State Government," spokesman Gary O'Neill says. As for the shuffle machines: "Many players are used to them on the main gaming floor and like them. No doubt a small number of customers prefer the older style dealer shuffling and there are many tables where they can play using this style."
A Herald Sun investigation this week uncovered several other changes designed to tip the odds in the casino's favour. One rule, quietly approved by the state's gaming watchdog, requires blackjack dealers to "hit" on "soft 17". This means the house gets a final chance to win your money instead of paying out players holding cards valued at 18-21. The change was likened by one punter to a sudden doubling in the cost of fuel from $1.50 to $3 a litre. "But the advantage the casino has over the oil companies is that the cost of its product is not required to be advertised and that cost is difficult to calculate, so it is nicely hidden," the punter says. "Only the most knowledgeable players understand what is going on."
A decision has also been made at Crown to limit the size of a local patrons' complimentary rewards to $400 a day. Previously, Victorian-based gamblers at Crown could earn an unlimited amount of freebies, including meals, parking and accommodation, depending on the amount of time spent playing at the tables or pokies. Others point out that the spread between the sizes of the minimum and maximum bets permitted at Crown are far less generous than those offered at casinos like Aspinalls in London, Bellagio in Las Vegas and myriad other houses in places like Macau and Atlantic City.
For example, gamblers playing on Crown's $30 blackjack tables are restricted from outlaying bets bigger than $1200. In Las Vegas, bets of up to $10,000 can be made on a $30 table, exposing the casino to far bigger losses. "Everything they do in Melbourne makes it harder for us to win -- and harder for them to lose," Parsons says. And he would know. As a member of Crown's elite top 200 Premium Club, he turns over $10 million a year. Last week he defied the casino by launching www.Casinobusters.com -- a website that teaches gamblers to win at both blackjack and roulette. Parsons' systems are based on capital preservation, coaching gamblers to gradually increase bets on winning runs and minimise bets on inevitable losing streaks. He says the casino can be beaten, as long as players stick to the correct strategies.
During a recent demonstration at Crown, he won $7100 playing roulette in just two hours. But not everyone is welcome to test his theory. Melbourne card shark Andrew Scott is among dozens of skilled blackjack players slapped with a lifetime ban by the casino. Like all card counters, he's doing nothing illegal -- but because he can win, Crown simply doesn't want him. Scott, who has since joined the World Poker Tour, says Crown has made an art form of changing its rules to fill its coffers. "Yes, there has been inflation in Australia since the casino first opened in 1994, but not of the kind we've seen at Crown," he says. "In the early years, $5 minimum Blackjack tables were commonplace and, during the day-time hours, $2 minimum tables were made available. These days $10 is the smallest minimum, and even they are hard to find and use those awful continuous shuffling machines."
But the VCGR says all of Crown's actions have been legal. "I can understand that players like to play games in a particular way," VCGR chief Peter Cohen says. "Our job is to make sure it is fair and has integrity -- and we are satisfied that the way blackjack (and roulette) are offered by Crown, including the use of shuffling machines, is fair."
However, long-time critic the Rev Tim Costello says there's never been anything fair about Crown casino. "From its inception, the casino has been in the state witness protection program. There always seem to be a special set of rules for Crown," he says. Crown bosses also know that unlike their competitors in Las Vegas, London or Macau, a disgruntled gambler in Melbourne simply doesn't have the option of walking up the road to try his luck somewhere else. "The standard blackjack game on the Las Vegas strip is a -25 point game, and there are better if you search around," Scott says. Crown's trashy -72 point game is almost three times as bad," he says. "Why? One word, competition. Oh, and one other thing, state government taxes."
A friend gave me an article from the Hun, June 21, but I couldn't find it online, so I scanned it, but it didn't come up good. So I retrieved it from Newstext.com.au. Long, but worth the read. Further proof that not only Crown, but the State Government and the Victorian Commission for Gaming Regulation are rorting the average punter:
Herald-Sun, SAT 21 JUN 2008, Page 029
DOUBLE OR NOTHING - How Crown tilts the odds in its favour by MICHAEL WARNER
A SLICE of Las Vegas came to Melbourne last year when Crown casino chiefs introduced a US-style blackjack game in its swish high-roller Teak Room. For local card sharks, it was seen as a chance to test their wares against a form of blackjack they only ever saw in the movies. But within weeks, after Crown had stacked the deck, the game was gone. "It was a farce from the start," Crown high roller Ron Parsons tells the Herald Sun. "They sold it as Vegas-style blackjack -- the only problem was, they modified it to their advantage and changed the splits, doubles and surrenders. People eventually woke up and realised they'd been suckered."
The casino had altered the rules, depriving punters of betting options offered under traditional Las Vegas blackjack. Critics of the Southbank gambling complex, which last year sucked a record $1.06 billion from the pockets of its customers, say this is the way business is always done -- Crown style. The latest change, as revealed in today's Herald Sun, is the introduction of card-shuffling machines in the VIP Mahogany Room, a move some gamblers believe will boost the casino's winning edge. It follows a decision to add an extra house number to the $2.50 roulette wheels on the public gaming floor. A double 00 has been added to the wheels, which also retain the single 0, effectively doubling the casino's profit margin from 2.7 per cent to 5.26 per cent.
Crown chiefs say all of their rules have been approved by the Victorian Commission for Gambling Regulation. "We adhere to and abide by all of the rules and regulations laid down by the VCGR and the State Government," spokesman Gary O'Neill says. As for the shuffle machines: "Many players are used to them on the main gaming floor and like them. No doubt a small number of customers prefer the older style dealer shuffling and there are many tables where they can play using this style."
A Herald Sun investigation this week uncovered several other changes designed to tip the odds in the casino's favour. One rule, quietly approved by the state's gaming watchdog, requires blackjack dealers to "hit" on "soft 17". This means the house gets a final chance to win your money instead of paying out players holding cards valued at 18-21. The change was likened by one punter to a sudden doubling in the cost of fuel from $1.50 to $3 a litre. "But the advantage the casino has over the oil companies is that the cost of its product is not required to be advertised and that cost is difficult to calculate, so it is nicely hidden," the punter says. "Only the most knowledgeable players understand what is going on."
A decision has also been made at Crown to limit the size of a local patrons' complimentary rewards to $400 a day. Previously, Victorian-based gamblers at Crown could earn an unlimited amount of freebies, including meals, parking and accommodation, depending on the amount of time spent playing at the tables or pokies. Others point out that the spread between the sizes of the minimum and maximum bets permitted at Crown are far less generous than those offered at casinos like Aspinalls in London, Bellagio in Las Vegas and myriad other houses in places like Macau and Atlantic City.
For example, gamblers playing on Crown's $30 blackjack tables are restricted from outlaying bets bigger than $1200. In Las Vegas, bets of up to $10,000 can be made on a $30 table, exposing the casino to far bigger losses. "Everything they do in Melbourne makes it harder for us to win -- and harder for them to lose," Parsons says. And he would know. As a member of Crown's elite top 200 Premium Club, he turns over $10 million a year. Last week he defied the casino by launching www.Casinobusters.com -- a website that teaches gamblers to win at both blackjack and roulette. Parsons' systems are based on capital preservation, coaching gamblers to gradually increase bets on winning runs and minimise bets on inevitable losing streaks. He says the casino can be beaten, as long as players stick to the correct strategies.
During a recent demonstration at Crown, he won $7100 playing roulette in just two hours. But not everyone is welcome to test his theory. Melbourne card shark Andrew Scott is among dozens of skilled blackjack players slapped with a lifetime ban by the casino. Like all card counters, he's doing nothing illegal -- but because he can win, Crown simply doesn't want him. Scott, who has since joined the World Poker Tour, says Crown has made an art form of changing its rules to fill its coffers. "Yes, there has been inflation in Australia since the casino first opened in 1994, but not of the kind we've seen at Crown," he says. "In the early years, $5 minimum Blackjack tables were commonplace and, during the day-time hours, $2 minimum tables were made available. These days $10 is the smallest minimum, and even they are hard to find and use those awful continuous shuffling machines."
But the VCGR says all of Crown's actions have been legal. "I can understand that players like to play games in a particular way," VCGR chief Peter Cohen says. "Our job is to make sure it is fair and has integrity -- and we are satisfied that the way blackjack (and roulette) are offered by Crown, including the use of shuffling machines, is fair."
However, long-time critic the Rev Tim Costello says there's never been anything fair about Crown casino. "From its inception, the casino has been in the state witness protection program. There always seem to be a special set of rules for Crown," he says. Crown bosses also know that unlike their competitors in Las Vegas, London or Macau, a disgruntled gambler in Melbourne simply doesn't have the option of walking up the road to try his luck somewhere else. "The standard blackjack game on the Las Vegas strip is a -25 point game, and there are better if you search around," Scott says. Crown's trashy -72 point game is almost three times as bad," he says. "Why? One word, competition. Oh, and one other thing, state government taxes."
Re: Crown Casino Blackjack Rules.
Nice. Write an article about how the Casino is ripping off the punters, and stick in a free promo for a guy who is.... ripping off the punters selling a bogus "beat the Casino" system.
Nice. Write an article about how the Casino is ripping off the punters, and stick in a free promo for a guy who is.... ripping off the punters selling a bogus "beat the Casino" system.
Haven't posted much lately, need to catch up. At Crown yesterday I wandered over to the BJ tables in the Poker Room, not to play, just to watch for a few minutes. Was happy for two country fellows when dealer went 10-2-10, until he said "Stand off!" I was like WTF? Dealer informed me that at some BJ tables, it's a stand-off when dealer hits 22!!!!!
The latest BJ rules from 6/12/2011 mention "Blackjack Plus":
22.3.1 A Blackjack Plus wager placed by a player will:
(a) Win if:
(v) The total of the player’s hand is less than 21 and that of the Dealer’s hand is in excess of 22.
(c) Stand off if:
(ii) The score of the Dealer’s hand is 22 for all wagers remaining on the layout.
The latest BJ rules from 6/12/2011 mention "Blackjack Plus":
22.3.1 A Blackjack Plus wager placed by a player will:
(a) Win if:
(v) The total of the player’s hand is less than 21 and that of the Dealer’s hand is in excess of 22.
(c) Stand off if:
(ii) The score of the Dealer’s hand is 22 for all wagers remaining on the layout.
I was at Burswood and played where if the dealer got exactly 22 it was a standoff.
It was called 'Blackjack Switch' and the advantage for the player was that you played two hands and had the option to switch the top cards of your two hands (ie K5 and 6Q could become KQ and 56.)
Not sure it this advantage exists with 'Blackjack Plus' at Crown?
It was called 'Blackjack Switch' and the advantage for the player was that you played two hands and had the option to switch the top cards of your two hands (ie K5 and 6Q could become KQ and 56.)
Not sure it this advantage exists with 'Blackjack Plus' at Crown?
Alas this only exists in the same reality as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
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Genuine lulz that your average banana keeps giving crown action in these games.
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It was only a matter of time. Crown keep slowly trying to slide in changes to their pit games increasing their edge. They begin with the smaller limit tables where the punters have no clue about edges and EV, and then it spreads like a cancer up the limits.
It started with sports blackjack where blackjack payed 5:6 on all $5 tables only. Then $10, now $15. Blackjack plus for my knowledge is limited to a new area of the casino designed to attract younger players who dont know better. Pretty soon standing on 22 will be everywhere.
Blackjack Switch is a fun game and I wish crown had it. As stated above its pretty simple, you're dealt 2 hands and have the option to switch the top two cards. Dealer stands on 22. There are also some fun bonuses for 2 pair/3 of a kind etc.
It started with sports blackjack where blackjack payed 5:6 on all $5 tables only. Then $10, now $15. Blackjack plus for my knowledge is limited to a new area of the casino designed to attract younger players who dont know better. Pretty soon standing on 22 will be everywhere.
Blackjack Switch is a fun game and I wish crown had it. As stated above its pretty simple, you're dealt 2 hands and have the option to switch the top two cards. Dealer stands on 22. There are also some fun bonuses for 2 pair/3 of a kind etc.
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Switch Blackjack which I played a bit in Vegas is alot of fun but the odds are stacked in the Casinos favour
Could not believe the new games they brang into the Casino
One game I played which is just a disgrace is call Backpro I'm pretty sure it's a mix of Baccarat and Blackjack
I had a 9 abd assumed I had won until the dealer pulled a 3 card 9 which I thought ok standoff but NO I lost because a 3 card 9 is considerd better then a 2 card 9
You also get paid half on 7 just a pathetic game
Could not believe the new games they brang into the Casino
One game I played which is just a disgrace is call Backpro I'm pretty sure it's a mix of Baccarat and Blackjack
I had a 9 abd assumed I had won until the dealer pulled a 3 card 9 which I thought ok standoff but NO I lost because a 3 card 9 is considerd better then a 2 card 9
You also get paid half on 7 just a pathetic game
