Blatant lies - ABC

[The Old Dark Navy's]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/09/2709777.htm?WT.mc_id=newsmail

Click 'Fresh Allegations Against Fevola' - Video

'His former club Carlton says, it didn't think the incident was serious enough to investigate.' He says this in a mocking tone to boot.

Now I realise I am in Brisbane and not privy to all the Melbourne media and press conferences, but did anybody hear Carlton say this? I heard Sticks say that they looked into it, heard him saying that others are investigating and that he didn't want to get involved in that.

Happy for someone to point me to this quote from the club if I am wrong, but at this point, I am sure that they are blatantly lying their arses off and Carlton should be seeking a retraction.

 

[Warsaw]

When Tony Jones pressed on the matter, Sticks said No to if they considered taking it any further.

 

[TerryWallet]

ODN,

Sticks' performance at the presser was so poor that he left the door wide open to allegations like this.

It isn't a huge deal because, now that Fevola is out of Victoria, the fuss will die down fairly quickly now.

But in saying that, how Carlton let Kernahan give that presser when he was so ill prepared with answers to obvious questions is staggering. The same situation as letting Judd talk the morning after the eye gouge thing. Cost him 3 weeks when he should never been allowed to give that interview.

Terrible management.

That sod at Essendon Paul Hamilton is boring as batshit but Carlton need an official spokesman who is on top of everything. The media are like piranha's.

 

[JuddFevGoal]

ODN,

Sticks' performance at the presser was so poor that he left the door wide open to allegations like this.

It isn't a huge deal because, now that Fevola is out of Victoria, the fuss will die down fairly quickly now.

But in saying that, how Carlton let Kernahan give that presser when he was so ill prepared with answers to obvious questions is staggering. The same situation as letting Judd talk the morning after the eye gouge thing. Cost him 3 weeks when he should never been allowed to give that interview.

Terrible management.

That sod at Essendon Paul Hamilton is boring as batshit but Carlton need an official spokesman who is on top of everything. The media are like piranha's.

100% correct.

 

[ParaBellum]

ODN,

Sticks' performance at the presser was so poor that he left the door wide open to allegations like this.

It isn't a huge deal because, now that Fevola is out of Victoria, the fuss will die down fairly quickly now.

But in saying that, how Carlton let Kernahan give that presser when he was so ill prepared with answers to obvious questions is staggering. The same situation as letting Judd talk the morning after the eye gouge thing. Cost him 3 weeks when he should never been allowed to give that interview.

Terrible management.

That sod at Essendon Paul Hamilton is boring as batshit but Carlton need an official spokesman who is on top of everything. The media are like piranha's.

Couldn't agree more. The PR department at Carlton have been disgraceful the last few months.

 

[Korn]

there is a difference between "no further investigations will be taken" and "the incident was not serious enough to investigate". I am pretty sure Sticks didnt say it wasn't serious enough.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...nlow-medal-count/story-e6frf7jo-1225785069968

Full text of what Kernahan said is in that link. If people are too lazy to click on it and want to continue to misrepresent what he said, they they are just trolling.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Channel 9 said it was yet to reach a decision on whether Fevola would be sacked from The Footy Show next year.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/we...t-brendan-fevola/story-e6frf7jo-1225785181032

They what? Sorry, is this the network that encouraged his drunken on air behaviour and gave air to his ego? The network that is blaming Carlton for the whole thing and trying to say we are negligent as his employer for not carrying out a full investigation? We sack a vital player and they still haven't decided if he will stay with them or not?

Tony Jones ... I know ... why do you carry out a ****ing investigation to help you decide, you hypocritical piece of crap.

What would you have said if Carlton didn't make any disciplinary decisions straight away?

Maybe that's it. Maybe we have taken one of their boys away from where it would best suit channel 9. Maybe they are down on us for getting rid of him so are finding excuses to have a shot.

Eddie had a shot at us for humiliating Fev, Jones is only toeing the channel 9 line. 9 thinks he should get away with it and believe that we should have investigated, found only allegations and taken no action against Fev. Hypocrites.

 

[The Panther]

Eddie had a shot at us for humiliating Fev, Jones is only toeing the channel 9 line. 9 thinks he should get away with it and believe that we should have investigated, found only allegations and taken no action against Fev. Hypocrites.

Eddie doesn't control what the Channel 9 News show. As much as you like to criticise Eddie, he has little influence at 9 these days.

Kernahan admitted in the press conference that the club was aware of what Fev did but took no action.

 

[AlecDuncan]

What in hell is our role in investigating if we've decided to cut the guy? Our involvement in any investigation is over - assuming it ever began - from that moment. What would be the point of investigating? What powers do we have that the AFL and the police don't?

Perhaps the Carlton Director of Public Prosecutions should direct the Carlton Chief of Carlton Police to investigate, compelling witnesses with the full power of the Carlton High Court. I suggest anyone who is upset should lobby their local Carlton member to push for a Carlton Royal Commission.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Eddie doesn't control what the Channel 9 News show. As much as you like to criticise Eddie, he has little influence at 9 these days.

So they are not mates?

Kernahan admitted in the press conference that the club was aware of what Fev did but took no action.

No he didn't. I have the wording above. If you can provide further wording, please do so.

 

[parrot]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/09/2709777.htm?WT.mc_id=newsmail

Click 'Fresh Allegations Against Fevola' - Video

'His former club Carlton says, it didn't think the incident was serious enough to investigate.' He says this in a mocking tone to boot.

Now I realise I am in Brisbane and not privy to all the Melbourne media and press conferences, but did anybody hear Carlton say this? I heard Sticks say that they looked into it, heard him saying that others are investigating and that he didn't want to get involved in that.

Happy for someone to point me to this quote from the club if I am wrong, but at this point, I am sure that they are blatantly lying their arses off and Carlton should be seeking a retraction.

No. Sticks basically said they were aware of the alleged incident (along with rest of the Football World), and were leaving it in the hands of the AFL to investigate the matter as it's their job as it is.

BTW I'm NOT BELIEVING ANY BS RUMOURS ANYMORE.

We now know that Judd and Gibbs never ever approached the board and demanded Fev to leave. That was 100% pure crap. It was ridiculous how these rumours gathered legs and worked against us. Everyone's learnt a big lesson from this one. Never ever ever form an opinion based on rumour. Never.

 

[The Panther]

So they are not mates?

Who? Fev or Tony Jones / Eddie?

No he didn't. I have the wording above. If you can provide further wording, please do so.

You need to "Youtube" the interview. The press conference I watched on "Sports Tonight", Sticks said the club was aware of what Fev did & didn't act.

It was a cringeworthy performance.

 

[Valve Bounce]

Quote:


1. Kernahan insisted that he had not discussed the allegations with Fevola personally, but that "everyone knows of an alleged happening at the Brownlow".

2. "The alleged happenings, I don't know if they've happened … The club's looked into it and it is what it is.

3. "That's why we've made the call that we have. It was a big part of it."

4. When asked if Carlton had felt compelled to investigate, Kernahan said: "I think it's already been looked at by other parties.

5. "It's an alleged thing and the AFL are looking at it. I don't want to go into it ... I don't want to be involved in that at the moment.

AS the Club's CEO, Kernahan's performance at the press conference was very poor and in fact, he should not have been there for his own good.

I have listed some sentences above. The way I see it, 1 and 2 were stupid statements, and 3 is just ridiculous following 1 and 2. If Kernahan didn't know if they've happened, then as CEO he had no reason whatsoever of getting rid of Fevola.

As CEO of Carlton, it was his duty to carpet Fevola and personally put the allegations to him, and ask him for his side of the story and to explain himself. If he could not explain himself to the CEO's satisfaction, then he should have personally told Fevola that he was finished at Carlton.

4.and 5. gave me the impression that he simply didn't have the courage to deal with it.

Kernahan's entire demeanor during the press confidence did not give one the impression that he was the CEO of Carlton, but rather an underling trying to pass the buck. The media is a very cruel animal, and if you give it half a chance, it will take every opportunity to claw you to ribbons. Any attempt to try to get any satisfaction by asking for a retraction will only inflame the issue and make matters worse. They are there to sell their news, that's what they do.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

No. Sticks basically said they were aware of the alleged incident (along with rest of the Football World), and were leaving it in the hands of the AFL to investigate the matter as it's their job as it is.

Agreed that this was the subtext here. The AFL knew when we did and were silently advising of a solution, but the club do not want to implicate the AFL in this.

BTW I'm NOT BELIEVING ANY BS RUMOURS ANYMORE.

We now know that Judd and Gibbs never ever approached the board and demanded Fev to leave. That was 100% pure crap. It was ridiculous how these rumours gathered legs and worked against us. Everyone's learnt a big lesson from this one. Never ever ever form an opinion based on rumour. Never.

Very very selective of you parrot. Those rumours were raised along with many others, including the one that appears to be true. That is not to say that other rumours are not true. Very few people actually said that Judd or Gibbs demanded Fev leave, but raised it as a possibility if the incidents between them and Fev did occur. It is still quite possible that they did occur but that the players recognised he was drunk and let it slide.

These rumours only came out because of the supporters who stuck it to the club for trading Fev for nothing and possible reasons were raised to give plausible explanation to the club's actions.

If a few more posters had have bothered to have faith in their own club in the first place, it wouldn't have evolved the way it did. Some of the attacks on Sticks, Ratten and Swann and assumptions that we had just caved to media pressure were high treason in my mind. Far far worse than trying to keep people informed as to possible reasons for what was happening.

In the end the Judd/Gibbs rumours didn't harm our position. Those rumours are very much in house issues that other clubs would not care about. The one allegation that appears on the money is by far the more damning.

Hopefully in future people don't go off early in selling out their club over one player, forcing the defence of the club to come.

 

[parrot]

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As CEO of Carlton, it was his duty to carpet Fevola and personally put the allegations to him, and ask him for his side of the story and to explain himself. If he could not explain himself to the CEO's satisfaction, then he should have personally told Fevola that he was finished at Carlton....

We effectively sacked the guy!! I'm not sure how much more severe you can be. The allegations are being dealt with by the AFL, and the Blues are assisting wherever possible. What on Earth's wrong with that? Nothing. I think your just stupid and bitter. Sort out your Hurley issue before offering us advice thanks. Sticks was clearly upset by Fev's departure as many of us are, and was passionate about that. I far prefer a guy speaking from his heart than a dull media-trained CEO robot.

 

[JuddFevGoal]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/we...t-brendan-fevola/story-e6frf7jo-1225785181032

They what? Sorry, is this the network that encouraged his drunken on air behaviour and gave air to his ego? The network that is blaming Carlton for the whole thing and trying to say we are negligent as his employer for not carrying out a full investigation? We sack a vital player and they still haven't decided if he will stay with them or not?

Tony Jones ... I know ... why do you carry out a ****ing investigation to help you decide, you hypocritical piece of crap.

What would you have said if Carlton didn't make any disciplinary decisions straight away?

Maybe that's it. Maybe we have taken one of their boys away from where it would best suit channel 9. Maybe they are down on us for getting rid of him so are finding excuses to have a shot.

Eddie had a shot at us for humiliating Fev, Jones is only toeing the channel 9 line. 9 thinks he should get away with it and believe that we should have investigated, found only allegations and taken no action against Fev. Hypocrites.

Agree TODN,

Channel 9 is morally bankrupt; only interested in ratings and where they can't provide real entertainment (ie Gary Lyon in drag), they push for controversy.

It's no surprise that the Hey, Hey fiasco was on that network...

 

[Jock]

We investigated the situation - Now he's gone - done.

It's Brisbanes issue now. Let it go. We have no further role to play or need to respond to any media, good or bad. Our investigation was puncuated with a full stop.

Yes Sticks just needs to say the pleasantries at the presidents lunches and after that leave the talking to Swanny. We learnt this through the Smorgan saga.

 

[JuddFevGoal]

We effectively sacked the guy!! I'm not sure how much more severe you can be. The allegations are being dealt with by the AFL, and the Blues are assisting wherever possible. What on Earth's wrong with that? Nothing. I think your just stupid and bitter. Sort out your Hurley issue before offering us advice thanks. Sticks was clearly upset by Fev's departure as many of us are, and was passionate about that. I far prefer a guy speaking from his heart than a dull media-trained CEO robot.

I think the issue here is the potential culpability of Fev (obviously), the CFC, Channel 9 and potentially, the Crown Casino.

Fev for doing the 'alleged' act, but also the other bodies for not getting him out of the building using security. Surely, at some point during a 13 hour bender, it must have occurred to someone...?

Then, with two weeks to reflect, given that no-one attempted to restrain him, the Club (and the other employers/facility) don't consult with the police or investigate further. If they withheld information, there is an opportunity to charge them, so IMHO, Sticks is laying low.

But he did it poorly and inarticulately.

To me, in that press conference, he looked deeply distressed, uncomfortable and lost. It was a sorry sight.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I have listed some sentences above. The way I see it, 1 and 2 were stupid statements, and 3 is just ridiculous following 1 and 2. If Kernahan didn't know if they've happened, then as CEO he had no reason whatsoever of getting rid of Fevola.

As CEO of Carlton, it was his duty to carpet Fevola and personally put the allegations to him, and ask him for his side of the story and to explain himself. If he could not explain himself to the CEO's satisfaction, then he should have personally told Fevola that he was finished at Carlton.

I disagree. They must have been perilously close to flicking him just for the drunken behaviour. Let's not forget he was on his last chance.

There were people at the Brownlow who supposedly saw part of this assault/incident or the immediate aftermath of it. The HUN told Carlton and the AFL. It has been said that Demetriou told Carlton to get him out of the state after this or after Demetriou's wife was smacked on the arse by Fev.

It is clear that Carlton were not prepared to back Fev on another trial by media and they had no reason to stand by him. They decided on the balance of probabilities and the accounts provided to them that something had taken place. They didn't need it to be proven 100% true in order to get rid of him. For a start, they had no time. They had an opportunity approaching to trade him and had to meet that window. The AFL were aware at all times.

Let's not pretend that we had a duty towards Fev here. Every time there is any smoke surround Carlton or Fev on BigFooty, BF rises collectively to say we have no ethics in keeping Fev around.

The mere allegation stemming from such a poor effort at the Brownlow, was enough in itself to be the final straw. Let's not forget that he did other things that the camera's picked up, not including this.

It's not as though Fev was a cleanskin and didn't know how delicate his position was at Carlton. He truly deserved whatever he got.

 

[Valve Bounce]

We effectively sacked the guy!! I'm not sure how much more severe you can be. The allegations are being dealt with by the AFL, and the Blues are assisting wherever possible. What on Earth's wrong with that? Nothing. I think your just stupid and bitter. Sort out your Hurley issue before offering us advice thanks. Sticks was clearly upset by Fev's departure as many of us are, and was passionate about that. I far prefer a guy speaking from his heart than a dull media-trained CEO robot.

I think you should consult your brain, read my post again, and repost your reply instead of hurling insults at me.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Sticks was clearly upset by Fev's departure as many of us are, and was passionate about that. I far prefer a guy speaking from his heart than a dull media-trained CEO robot.

I just see it as Sticks not being sure how much he should say or not say, trying to play a straight bat to some questions, trying to evade others as the AFL and police were involved, and coming across unconvincing in general. You don't want to be telling the media things, that you are unsure they know or not already.

 

[parrot]

I think the issue here is the potential culpability of Fev (obviously), the CFC, Channel 9 and potentially, the Crown Casino.

Fev for doing the act, but also the other bodies for not getting him out of the building using security. Surely, at some point during a 13 hour bender, it must have occurred to someone...?

Then, with two weeks to reflect, given that no-one attempted to restrain him, the Club (and the other employers/facility) don't consult with the police or investigate further. If they withheld information, there is an opportunity to charge them, so IMHO, Sticks is laying low.

But he did it poorly and inarticulately.

To me, in that press conference, he looked deeply distressed, uncomfortable and lost. It was a sorry sight.

Yep. Sticks was shattered. Felt for the guy. Fev's been at our Club since he was a teenager, and we've been through a lot with him - highs and lows. He is going to be missed by most, apart from a few board members of course.

And yes Channel 9, and Crown have some questions to answer. Fev was out of control and they could have defused the situation but didn't. Fev is also an employee of Channel 9, and was working for them on the night. They have a duty of care to make sure things didn't escalate. And the fact they played part of the segment on air shows just how pathetic The Footy Show is. And then there's the issue with Crown and their liquor license. Many many people stuffed up that night other than Fev. I bet the AFL are hoping the whole issue goes away.

Well, in 2-3 months this will all blow over. There'll be a low key blame-game run in the media for a few weeks though, and that's about it.

 

[Bee]

How could the club have done anymore than what they did? There was an alleged incident. The club looked into it, the AFL looked into it. Fevola was fined for his antics that night he was then sacked by the club.
To actually investigate it further there has to be a complaint laid by the victim. Do people think that the Carlton Football Club can go ahead with a sexual assault accusation without any official complaint from the victim?
If the woman involved lays a complaint then the police will investigate it.
If that happens then it is now up to Brisbane to deal with it.

 

[Valve Bounce]

I disagree. They must have been perilously close to flicking him just for the drunken behaviour. Let's not forget he was on his last chance.

There were people at the Brownlow who supposedly saw part of this assault/incident or the immediate aftermath of it. The HUN told Carlton and the AFL. It has been said that Demetriou told Carlton to get him out of the state after this or after Demetriou's wife was smacked on the arse by Fev.

It is clear that Carlton were not prepared to back Fev on another trial by media and they had no reason to stand by him. They decided on the balance of probabilities and the accounts provided to them that something had taken place. They didn't need it to be proven 100% true in order to get rid of him. For a start, they had no time. They had an opportunity approaching to trade him and had to meet that window. The AFL were aware at all times.

Let's not pretend that we had a duty towards Fev here. Every time there is any smoke surround Carlton or Fev on BigFooty, BF rises collectively to say we have no ethics in keeping Fev around.

The mere allegation stemming from such a poor effort at the Brownlow, was enough in itself to be the final straw. Let's not forget that he did other things that the camera's picked up, not including this.

It's not as though Fev was a cleanskin and didn't know how delicate his position was at Carlton. He truly deserved whatever he got.

What are you disagreeing with me about? because I agree entirely with you. What I am saying is that Kernahan should not have said what I listed, and he should have carpetted Fevola and sacked the bugger on the spot rather than say " I don't know if it happened..." then let someone else do it. What I am saying is that his statements were inconsistent; they obviously did not reflect the true picture of what really occurred. I am with you, man. The fact that he even touched Demetriou's wife's behind was enough for Carlton to sack him.