Blues redraft Pfeiffer

[mightymightyblues]

Good to see him get another go

 

[LondonCalling]

Glad to hear it.

 

[Staaar_Blue]

Am glad to see Pfeiffer get another go. Really want him to stick it up the crows after they let him go. Must fix alot about his game. Anyone seen how he is goin in training lately? Looked like he has put on a bit of size but that doesn't really matter on the field if you can't kick

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Whats the story with this bloke,
did he get dropped or was he injured for the last half of the year?

Last senior game i recall him playing he kicked the matchwinner v Freo,
then he kind of fell off the map.

 

[Carlton Kid]

As well as Sam Jacobs and Lachie Hill.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

Already 4 years in the AFL system with no physical development left.

Better informed ppl than us call the shots but I dont get it.......think he just not up to it.

 

[gbatman]

Depth player, good VFL player, not suited to AFL but probably has a good attitude and is good to have around the club i presume...

Is now a long way off our best 22, if we get a lot of injuries he will be a good to have avaliable.

 

[thylacine60]

Depth player, good VFL player, not suited to AFL but probably has a good attitude and is good to have around the club i presume...

Is now a long way off our best 22, if we get a lot of injuries he will be a good to have avaliable.

Before he came over it was the one thing he didn't have.

 

[celtic_pride]

Meh, I won't hold my breath on Michelle becoming a decent and conistent player anytime soon.

Bit suss on this pickup, ditto Bentley and Jacobs ...

Would have prefered untried kids in all honesty.

 

[GPW1]

im not really seeing the point in this. we delist him, then redraft him (albiet to the rookie list). if he was good enough, he would still be on the senior list.

and please dont say "it'll be the kick up the ar$e he needs", if he didnt get one when he was delisted from the crows, then he never will.

in saying that, good luck to him and i hope he becomes a valuable player for us.

 

[Bluebear]

Already 4 years in the AFL system with no physical development left.

Really? How so?


Good to hear he got another chance. Surprised he got dropped actually. Clearly has some talent but maybe needs to work on the mental side of things.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

Really? How so?


Good to hear he got another chance. Surprised he got dropped actually. Clearly has some talent but maybe needs to work on the mental side of things.

Maybe should have said very little if you want to split hairs.

Would have reached his optimum playing weight or at least very close by now. 3 pre seasons at Adelaide + 1 under Cordy should see his tank pretty well developed.
He is not a beanpole ruckman that should take 5-6 years to near his physical peak

Everyone has some talent....its just how much and how you use it.
I dont see him as having anything above average talent for an AFL footballer and I think thats being kind, however it is just my opinion.

 

[Bluebear]

Maybe should have said very little if you want to split hairs.

Would have reached his optimum playing weight or at least very close by now. 3 pre seasons at Adelaide + 1 under Cordy should see his tank pretty well developed.
He is not a beanpole ruckman that should take 5-6 years to near his physical peak

Everyone has some talent....its just how much and how you use it.
I dont see him as having anything above average talent for an AFL footballer and I think thats being kind, however it is just my opinion.

It's not about splitting hairs. Its about making statements that have no basis in reality.
Firstly most players would continue to improve their physical development well into their mid 20's, regardless of position or build.
I have heard a number of times......Sam Mitchell for one that springs to mind.....players saying that it takes 6-7 pre-seasons to be in top shape.

For an 18 y.o. that is around 25..........funnily enough that's about the age most list think they need to be at (average) for their "window" to be open.

So I dispute that after 4 pre-seasons that you would be at or very near your peak...........otherwise this is Murph's last chance to reach his peak condition.

Secondly you assume that he put in "the hard yards" at the Crows and made the most of those pre-seasons.......the fact he was picked in the first round (i.e. had talent) but then delisted would indicate to me that he didn't make the most of his training and chances.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

It's not about splitting hairs. Its about making statements that have no basis in reality.
Firstly most players would continue to improve their physical development well into their mid 20's, regardless of position or build.
I have heard a number of times......Sam Mitchell for one that springs to mind.....players saying that it takes 6-7 pre-seasons to be in top shape.

For an 18 y.o. that is around 25..........funnily enough that's about the age most list think they need to be at (average) for their "window" to be open.

So I dispute that after 4 pre-seasons that you would be at or very near your peak...........otherwise this is Murph's last chance to reach his peak condition.

Secondly you assume that he put in "the hard yards" at the Crows and made the most of those pre-seasons.......the fact he was picked in the first round (i.e. had talent) but then delisted would indicate to me that he didn't make the most of his training and chances.

Everyone is different and ppl reah their peak at different stages.
Judd did pretty early on in his career or got very close to it if you recall.

The 7 year/100 game argument from wgat I have heard has more to with experience at senior level and self confidence than physical conditioning.

Murph may not be at his physical peak just yet, but I would suggest he is not that far from it. Bower drafted the same year still has a long was to go in terms of strength.

Pfieff is pretty well developed physically at this stage, I dont see a huge amount of improvement there.

Was Salmon at his physical peak when he was 19 and averaging 7 goals a game very early on, or later when he was stronger but slower ?
"peak" can be a matter of opininion anyway

 

[Bluebear]

Everyone is different and ppl reah their peak at different stages.

Exactly my point.

Do you know Pfeif well enough to re-state your claim that he has no physical development left?

The Salmon arguement was spurious as we are talking about physical peak are we not?

 

[btdg]

Everyone is different and ppl reah their peak at different stages.
Judd did pretty early on in his career or got very close to it if you recall.

The 7 year/100 game argument from wgat I have heard has more to with experience at senior level and self confidence than physical conditioning.

Murph may not be at his physical peak just yet, but I would suggest he is not that far from it. Bower drafted the same year still has a long was to go in terms of strength.

Pfieff is pretty well developed physically at this stage, I dont see a huge amount of improvement there.

Was Salmon at his physical peak when he was 19 and averaging 7 goals a game very early on, or later when he was stronger but slower ?
"peak" can be a matter of opininion anyway

There are different kinds of 'peak' as well.

For players who depend on their speed and acceleration, their physical peak is at age 19-20. Guys like Aaron Davey burst onto the scene when they are young and quick off the mark, but never really improve all that much. When they bulk up, they lose speed, and if their speed is their biggest asset, then they lose their weapon. Judd seems to fit this category as well to a lesser extent - in his West Coast days, his biggest weapon was his burst from a pack situation. As he's aged, he's lost that burst, but compensated with extra strength enabling him to become a better all-round player

Other players depend on their ability to run all day, which only really hits its peak at around 27-28. Ben Cousins was the classic example of this - always a good player, but kept improving physically until he won his Brownlow in his late 20s. Murphy fits this body type - not likely to lose speed, but needs to learn to run. Some other guys peak at 23-25, when their brute strength reaches its peak, but before they start losing too much speed; they find a balance for a couple of years, then drop pretty rapidly (Woewoedin?)

The best players go through different stages in their careers; when their body shape changes, they adapt. Paul Salmon is a classic example of someone who was a quick, leading full-forward, then reinvented himself as a lumbering, strength-based ruckman. Brad Johnson was a running winger who reinvented himself as a full-forward.

Basically, you can never tell. FWIW, I reckon Pfeifer is someone who will peak at around 24-25. His nature as a defensive midfielder means he needs the body strength to lay tackles, which he hasn't fully developed. He's not overly quick, though, so will only have a couple of years at the top - I see him as similar to Ben Nelson from 1999-2000; burst onto the scene, was great for a year or two as a role-player, then fell away rapidly.

 

[Shambolic]

The best players go through different stages in their careers; when their body shape changes, they adapt. Paul Salmon is a classic example of someone who was a quick, leading full-forward, then reinvented himself as a lumbering, strength-based ruckman. Brad Johnson was a running winger who reinvented himself as a full-forward.

Good post.

Kouta went from all round gun to inside midfielder.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

Exactly my point.

Do you know Pfeif well enough to re-state your claim that he has no physical development left?

The Salmon arguement was spurious as we are talking about physical peak are we not?

The Salmon argument illustrates that he was probably at his peak early on regarding his speed, leap and agility, but peaked in strength at a much later stage.

I dont Pfieff that well and I suggest you dont either to say he didnt put in the hard yards early in his career. We publicly heard about 1 or 2 drunken incidents but not much more, and I certainly heard nothing regarding his commitment at training.

I clarified my comment re Pfieff as probably little, especially in the strength dept as he has a very well developed physique already, Fitness there may be more room for improvement but that is just a guess.

 

[HBF]

Meh, I won't hold my breath on Michelle becoming a decent and conistent player anytime soon.

Bit suss on this pickup, ditto Bentley and Jacobs ...

Would have prefered untried kids in all honesty.

I hear what you're saying c_p, but once you get to late in the RD, you are effectively picked a kid around the 140-160 mark, which is very much like throwing a dart at the dart board.

I think i'd rather the club re-draft someone who they have put some work into previously. Someone like a Sam Jacobs, who has two years worth of development in already, could come along next year under Harris and Harvey.

 

[Drummond]

I still believe Pfeiffer will make it. He'll never be the best user of the footy and he'll probably always burn the ball from time to time but he just needs an extended run in the AFL and hopefully he'll get more accustomed to the pace of the game and his disposal and decision making will improve.

He's built like a tank, is a strong tackler and is the most courageous player I've seen. You seemed to use him more as a small forward but his best position is definitely as a small, rebounding defender IMO. One of the best marks for his size and has an excellent vertical leap. Rapt to see him given another chance and hopefully this time he’ll cement his spot in your squad and team.

 

[Jimthegreat]

im not really seeing the point in this. we delist him, then redraft him (albiet to the rookie list). if he was good enough, he would still be on the senior list.

and please dont say "it'll be the kick up the ar$e he needs", if he didnt get one when he was delisted from the crows, then he never will.

in saying that, good luck to him and i hope he becomes a valuable player for us.

Plan all along was to rookie him to open up a spot on the list for another player. He will be a nominated rookie and be available for round 1. His manager Liam Pickering said that on SEN the Saturday after he was delisted so they knew the situation. He reinterated it again last Saturday.

 

[gbatman]

Before he came over it was the one thing he didn't have.

Really? Why did we redraft him? I know his ball handling is all right and skills are ok and he got good ajility but he's slow and small. I can't see what the club sees in him. I guess we had to draft someone...

 

[Bluebear]

I dont Pfieff that well and I suggest you dont either to say he didnt put in the hard yards early in his career. We publicly heard about 1 or 2 drunken incidents but not much more, and I certainly heard nothing regarding his commitment at training.

Read my post again.

If you have any trouble distinguishing "opinion" from "fact" let me know......or better still....google it.

In case you misunderstood......you are the one making statements of "fact"........or so it seems regarding his development.........I merely made some assumptions that Neil Craig may not have liked the off field indiscretions, but my OPINION and GUT FEEL is that if Pfeiff had worked his arse off on the track they may have persisted a bit longer with him.

This could of course be wrong............and who knows.....you might be too.

 

[THE AISSASSIN]

Read my post again.

If you have any trouble distinguishing "opinion" from "fact" let me know......or better still....google it.

In case you misunderstood......you are the one making statements of "fact"........or so it seems regarding his development.........I merely made some assumptions that Neil Craig may not have liked the off field indiscretions, but my OPINION and GUT FEEL is that if Pfeiff had worked his arse off on the track they may have persisted a bit longer with him.

This could of course be wrong............and who knows.....you might be too.

Or maybe Craig just didnt rate his level of talent and it had nothing to do with his work on the track or indescretions.....its all assumptions

 

[Bluebear]

Or maybe Craig just didnt rate his level of talent and it had nothing to do with his work on the track or indescretions.....its all assumptions

Hence

This could of course be wrong

are you on dial up?