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Blues to go on attack



By Ben Broad 2:49 PM Tue 26 May, 2009
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Brett Ratten addresses his players during Carlton's loss to Adelaide


CARLTON coach Brett Ratten admits he got it wrong at the weekend and has vowed to take a more attacking mindset into Friday night's clash against the West Coast Eagles.

The Blues failed to kick a goal in the first half of his team's 44-point loss to Adelaide, with his team's structure resulting in the Blues struggling to transfer the ball from end to end.

Once they did have the ball in attack, the task of finding a Carlton jumper inside 50 was virtually impossible at times.

"That was the worst half of footy in my time as coach that we've had at the club," Ratten said at Visy Park on Tuesday.

He said his team had attempted – with success – to drop players into the backline to help out its defence in recent weeks, but took the practice to the "nth degree" at the weekend.

"Sometimes you implement some new strategies or put some things in place … I thought we just over-corrected," he said.

"You look at our front 50 and no-one's up there and you're just thinking 'Well, we're never going to score'.

"We had to virtually run and handball the ball from the back pocket to the forward pocket – good luck, it's pretty tough.

"I'll take full responsibility; that's the team that runs out and if that's how it's been taken, well, I need to change that a little bit. I just think we over-corrected that dramatically in the game.

"We didn't want 18 blokes back of centre when we had a ball up in our back pocket or a point kick-in. It just makes it too hard to score – especially with a three-goal breeze."

While Ratten has been happy with the more rounded game of Brendan Fevola this season, he admitted his goalkicker was also guilty of creeping too far down the ground against the Crows.

"There's no doubt about it; he got too high on the weekend," Ratten said.


"But at the end of the day he kicked 1.5 and one out of bounds on the full, so he had seven shots at goal.

"So would we be talking about it had he kicked 5.1 or 4.2 or whatever it was? But he didn't, and I suppose as a full-forward he cops a little bit of flak for that."

Ratten defended his star's form, and said Fevola had the better of his one-on-one duels with Adelaide's Ben Rutten.

As for Fevola's recent lean spell in front of goal, Ratten said his spearhead was not being hampered by any injury.

"There's no physical [reason] … he's fine, he's fit," he said.

"I think the Gold Coast one (versus Fremantle) was just a bit of tightening in the glute which we thought might have been a back-related hamstring; he sort of felt a little bit of a twinge so we just got it checked out and it was right.

"The heel's pretty good now [too]. He might get the odd little bit of soreness but all in all, I think if you look at most players in the competition they carry some sort of little niggle for a while."

:rolleyes:
 
At least he's man enough to admit it but why take a whole half to make the change to an obviously sh!t structure?

Always next week but I tell you, he's the next coach to come under fire if he sets up that badly again over the next few weeks.

I think we forget that in coaching terms he is still learning. FWIW I think he is way too reactive.
 

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At least he's man enough to admit it but why take a whole half to make the change to an obviously sh!t structure?

Always next week but I tell you, he's the next coach to come under fire if he sets up that badly again over the next few weeks.

I think we forget that in coaching terms he is still learning. FWIW I think he is way too reactive.

I agree with the first part certainly - someone posted the respective early records of the current "good" coaches (Bomber, Clarko etc) and they all started off pretty poorly. Gotta give him a bit of time (not saying he'll turn out great, but certainly too early to write him off).

As for the second part, I'd say he's too reactive during the week and actually not reactive enough on gameday - his changes tend to come too late, he seems to have limited moves when things go bad, and his big move - swinging Waitey to whatever end he's not playing at the time - may prove tough to pull of in the next, oh, 13 rounds or so. I wait with interest to see where this year heads from here...
 
At least he's man enough to admit it but why take a whole half to make the change to an obviously sh!t structure?

Always next week but I tell you, he's the next coach to come under fire if he sets up that badly again over the next few weeks.

I think we forget that in coaching terms he is still learning. FWIW I think he is way too reactive.

He has tried to set up the same way for the past couple of weeks. looking for another option forward is difficult when you have a guy that draws the ball as well as Fev. Carlton aint going to win many finals with a single option forward so we do need to reinvent the forward line. Against Collingwood it worked fine - no one complained when Fev was getting kicks at half back in that game because other options were pushing forward as Carlton moved the ball out of defense. Against Adelaide, because we could not clear the defensive 50 for the first half the forward line could not move up. I don't think this is being reactive (in fact against Collingwood I thought it was pretty creative) but the team are still not well enough drilled to set up like this against teams like Adelaide (who are brilliantly drilled)
 
People forget pretty quickly that Mark Thompson was highly critisized for the his coaching record, and I even recall he copped a caning in the press early in 2007 - guess what, in their premiership year.

Ratts is still learning the caper, and is not at 50 games coached yet - in fact, he's not even at 40. Let's give the guy a chance - he's a Carlton man through and through, and he's getting the players to play for the jumper, and got them all trying to achieve one thing in 2009 - play finals.
 
People forget pretty quickly that Mark Thompson was highly critisized for the his coaching record, and I even recall he copped a caning in the press early in 2007 - guess what, in their premiership year.

Ratts is still learning the caper, and is not at 50 games coached yet - in fact, he's not even at 40. Let's give the guy a chance - he's a Carlton man through and through, and he's getting the players to play for the jumper, and got them all trying to achieve one thing in 2009 - play finals.

Sure, but it is not just Ratten who is making decissions on game plan and making match day changes. He has an experienced support crew that have a bit of experience around him that he makes a lot of use of. We did get outcoached but it is likely that you will be when your players do not come to play. It is important that Ratten etc do find another approach to goal that does not rely on Fev
 
Sure, but it is not just Ratten who is making decissions on game plan and making match day changes. He has an experienced support crew that have a bit of experience around him that he makes a lot of use of. We did get outcoached but it is likely that you will be when your players do not come to play. It is important that Ratten etc do find another approach to goal that does not rely on Fev
and that has been the problem v Ess Syd Freo and Ade. Flat from the start with no fire, no tempo, no urgency. We all get our game faces on 3 days before game day on BF. At bounce down we are pumped. Why can't the players do so? Maybe we should try that stripper thing in the rooms before the game!
 
and that has been the problem v Ess Syd Freo and Ade. Flat from the start with no fire, no tempo, no urgency. We all get our game faces on 3 days before game day on BF. At bounce down we are pumped. Why can't the players do so? Maybe we should try that stripper thing in the rooms before the game!

Well that might be right but Essendon have turned out to be better than we thought so maybe that was a fair result. Against Sydney, well it is pretty hard to win at the SCG - in fact i don't think anyone has this year. Against Freo we were coming off a game of enormous intensity the previous week and Hawthorn also had a shocker. Which leaves just Adelaide....for which I have no excuse.

I did go and see David Parkin talk a few years ago at a conference and he was saying that he could tell by the intensity at training if Carlton were likely to win that week. He said there was an incredible correlation between intensity at training and intensity during the game so against Adelaide I am sure we had a flat week which is going to happen from time to time.
 
and that has been the problem v Ess Syd Freo and Ade. Flat from the start with no fire, no tempo, no urgency. We all get our game faces on 3 days before game day on BF. At bounce down we are pumped. Why can't the players do so? Maybe we should try that stripper thing in the rooms before the game!

For the first time iu'm actually having doubts about Ratts and his support team. Put simply, they're not doing their job if we're flat and not mentally tuned-in every second bloody week!

I know young teams are bound to be inconsistant but geez you think we'd learn! :rolleyes:
 
I say congrats to Ratten for publicly admitting he implemented the wrong game plan not many coaches would do that and hopefully will result in Carlton playing more attacking football which will get the wins we expect.
 

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For the first time iu'm actually having doubts about Ratts and his support team. Put simply, they're not doing their job if we're flat and not mentally tuned-in every second bloody week!

I know young teams are bound to be inconsistant but geez you think we'd learn! :rolleyes:

The team and Ratts are all learning, maybe we all expected to much to early, time will tell, but ATM im happy with Ratts.
 
Just on the fev part about being too far up the ground... I think on the weekend Fev he was fine in how far he went up the ground however it was definitely for too long... early in the first quarter though i dont mind him up the ground getting a touch or two... he is very much a confidence player and should things not go his way early on he tends to drop his head and that leads to bad body language and sooking for the rest of the game.

Remember the run down (richmond or essendon cant remember which game) in the first few minutes... after that he was switched on and played well. Against Freo things didnt go his way and then he dropped his head and it just got worse from there.

On the weekend against the crows, he was inaccurate yes and the delivery to him was appalling at best however to kick 1.5 and not drop his head was attributed to the fact he was switched on and "interested" in the game due to being in it early.

Like I said the ploy is good, even he does get past centre that's fine but limit it to the first 5-10 minutes of the first quarter only.
 
Just on the fev part about being too far up the ground... I think on the weekend Fev he was fine in how far he went up the ground however it was definitely for too long... early in the first quarter though i dont mind him up the ground getting a touch or two... he is very much a confidence player and should things not go his way early on he tends to drop his head and that leads to bad body language and sooking for the rest of the game.

Remember the run down (richmond or essendon cant remember which game) in the first few minutes... after that he was switched on and played well. Against Freo things didnt go his way and then he dropped his head and it just got worse from there.

On the weekend against the crows, he was inaccurate yes and the delivery to him was appalling at best however to kick 1.5 and not drop his head was attributed to the fact he was switched on and "interested" in the game due to being in it early.

Like I said the ploy is good, even he does get past centre that's fine but limit it to the first 5-10 minutes of the first quarter only.
I wonder how much Waite was a part of that strategy. He was given licence to work around the ground, but I wonder if when Fev got the ball on the wing or out of the HBF, the plan was to have Waite drop into the forward line. Worked pretty well against Collingwood.

Anyway, it didn't bloody well work whatever it was...
 
Any chance Ratts could keep some things to himself as opposed to spilling his guts to the media every week?

I loved Ratts as a player.
 

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