Brad Ebert

[Suma Magic]

GWS have a PSD pick?

GC had the first pick last year so I assumed the rules were the same.

Had a look but couldn't find anything that stated it explicitly either way. Could be wrong.

 

[zero]

You can't play "hard ball". If you do, you guys will get screwed over and lose Ebert for free. If anyone wants to play "hard ball", It will be Port. We hold the aces here

thats assuming that ebert will happily **** his friends and his current club in the ass and walk into the PSD

you are making some pretty big assumptions about his character there, mate

and to be honest, if he IS that sort of person, then losing him for nothing is no loss at all

 

[PRANKSTER666]

GC had the first pick last year so I assumed the rules were the same.

Had a look but couldn't find anything that stated it explicitly either way. Could be wrong.

I think it depends how many picks GWS take in the national draft. I think GC passed on their last pick last year and left a spot open for the PSD.

 

[Suma Magic]

Would GWS take Ebert in the PSD?

Seems unlikely, but it would mean a bit of a power shift in negotiations.

 

[Adz2332]

If you were GWS would you take a player who wants to go home?
Who would more then likely be unhappy to be drafted by them and walk out on them the following year like he has done to WC??
Seriously!

 

[WCE_phil]

Would GWS take Ebert in the PSD?

Seems unlikely, but it would mean a bit of a power shift in negotiations.

i would hope so, if they did would also mean we got compensation from the afl.

 

[elsler]

Ebert wont walk to the PSD he will be traded i still think pick 28 will be the pick . i know id be pissed if one of our players asked to leave the said f you im going to the psd

 

[Suma Magic]

I wouldn't take him if I was GWS.

Although if they were interested, and a trade couldn't be done, Ebert would likely stay with West Coast instead of going to GWS.

 

[Suma Magic]

Ebert wont walk to the PSD he will be traded i still think pick 28 will be the pick . i know id be pissed if one of our players asked to leave the said f you im going to the psd

It's not up to Ebert, nothing to do with him. It's up to WC and Port agreeing to a trade. If Port don't give enough, or WC want too much then it may not happen. Like Walker last year.

In the very likely event that GWS would choose to not pick Ebert, and this was known prior to trade week, Port have all the power, although they still won't want to screw us.

Imagine if Port were thinking they could get him in the PSD if a trade couldn't get done, WC didn't budge on a high asking price, no deal done, GWS take Ebert by surprise.

None of this likely, just thinking crazy scenarios.

 

[longdonkey]

I think its easy to throw around numbers - 28 for Ebert and for WCE fans not to like it. But remember you got Darling at 28. Would you think that Ebert for Darling would be a good swap?

 

[elsler]

It's not up to Ebert, nothing to do with him. It's up to WC and Port agreeing to a trade. If Port don't give enough, or WC want too much then it may not happen. Like Walker last year.

In the very likely event that GWS would choose to not pick Ebert, and this was known prior to trade week, Port have all the power, although they still won't want to screw us.

Imagine if Port were thinking they could get him in the PSD if a trade couldn't get done, WC didn't budge on a high asking price, no deal done, GWS take Ebert by surprise.

None of this likely, just thinking crazy scenarios.

Ok let me rephrase that i don't think port or west coast will let ebert walk to the psd

 

[kane249]

If you were GWS would you take a player who wants to go home?
Who would more then likely be unhappy to be drafted by them and walk out on them the following year like he has done to WC??
Seriously!

I would

Would get at least a years service out of a mature player and not have as huge a gap between kids and senior players like Gold Coast had this year. You could also get a trade done for Port the following year and get something back in return for him.

 

[Goldfish]

I think its easy to throw around numbers - 28 for Ebert and for WCE fans not to like it. But remember you got Darling at 28. Would you think that Ebert for Darling would be a good swap?

Darling was 26, but the issue is we are trading a proven player for a lotto ticket.

I went over drafts since 2006 picks 25 - 50 and only 25-30% of players would be equal to or better than Ebert.

I back our recruiters, but it is still a lucky dip in some respects.

 

[Butler]

I think its easy to throw around numbers - 28 for Ebert and for WCE fans not to like it. But remember you got Darling at 28. Would you think that Ebert for Darling would be a good swap?

Darling was a steal. It happens very rarely and we were very lucky to pick him up. The chances of that happening in this years very weak draft is very low.

Ebert is worth more than pick 28 in this years draft, no doubt about it. Will easily slot into Ports team at the start of next year. Draft picks are risky and over valued by most people on here. There is no risk in getting Ebert for Port.

I can't see Ebert going for pick 28. WC rate him too highly for that and Port will be very keen to get him. They will also know that he doesn't want to go to the PSD.

I think it will be a 3 team trade or Port will make another trade to get a better draft pick for WC to have. Pick 6 is way too much for Ebert but pick 28 is definitely not enough.

 

[blueboy25]

It's not up to Ebert, nothing to do with him. It's up to WC and Port agreeing to a trade. If Port don't give enough, or WC want too much then it may not happen. Like Walker last year.

Difference is Andrew Walker had a year to go on his contract so if the deal was not right he was happy to stay and Carlton did not have to trade him.

 

[Suma Magic]

Thanks blueboy - I stand corrected.

Maybe Nick Stevens is a better example.

 

[King Elvis]

You can't play "hard ball". If you do, you guys will get screwed over and lose Ebert for free. If anyone wants to play "hard ball", It will be Port. We hold the aces here

It's never that simple, and Clubs aren't stupid enough to view trades in total isolation.

 

[blueboy25]

Thanks blueboy - I stand corrected.

Maybe Nick Stevens is a better example.

You could throw Luke Ball in there as well.

If you asked Port and St Kilda whether in hindsight they would have been better making the trade and not letting Stevens and Ball walk for nothing.

I reckon both clubs would like to have their time over again.

 

[Suma Magic]

The only difference this time is that we may get more from GWS - which changes things a bit.

 

[The_Reaper]

I'd like Surjan + 33 and it is realistic.

 

[The Passenger]

if we got more than pick 28 for ebert i'd be pretty wrapped.

is probably worth about 20-25 but considering that port don't have a pick in that region it means throwing a third club in and that's when things can get a bit complex.

i'd be very suprised if we got more than 28.

33 + surjan would be a great get. no real diff between 28 and 33, but surjan is a pretty solid player although he did seem a bit on the outer at port this year for some reason (he did get dropped at one point yeah?? or am i confusing him with someone else)...??

 

[Suma Magic]

Surjan would be good, but we do have a few BP/HBF type players:

Butler
Hurn
Waters
Smith
A. Selwood
McGinnity
Sheppard
Brennan
B. Wilson

 

[Portmanteau]

You could throw Luke Ball in there as well.

If you asked Port and St Kilda whether in hindsight they would have been better making the trade and not letting Stevens and Ball walk for nothing.

I reckon both clubs would like to have their time over again.

No. Even though in retrospect pick 17 and Heath Scotland is better value than felt at the time, letting him go do to Carlton in the PSD was a far better outcome than sending him to Collingwood.

Keep in mind we had just lost a 2003 preliminary final to Collingwood and a qualifying final in 2002.

So while the compensation may have been nice long term, the decision when viewed in the full context (Stevens trying to force a last minute trade to a premiership contender), it may have given us the ultimate edge that saw us ultimately successful in 2004.

(Also keep in mind that up until the Thursday afternoon of trade week, Stevens had not requested a trade to C'Wood, only Victoria. Melbourne had pick 5 and a player on the table which was clearly superior to Collingwood's offer).




Btw, agree on the general principle that the PSD should not be used as a threat and I'm sure we'll do the right thing here. But that was a very special set of circumstances that has not since been repeated (top 5 player at a premiership contender requesting a trade to another contender).

 

[scooterselwood]

If for some reason Port and West Coast couldn't come up with a suitable trade, surely ebert would agree to be traded to the crows rather than walk to
The PSD and both **** West Coast and risked being picked up by another club.

I get the feeling both clubs rate Ebert pretty high, but whether or not Port Adelaide have appropriate compensation would seem the sticking point.

 

[Adz2332]

But everyone is thinking they WILL have a pick in the PSD....
They dont have to... And if they do dont you think they would have a player already in mind???
They wouldnt go to the PSD without a player and just hope for the best!