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CoggaRules

CoggaRules

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All good to wear the fluorescent boots Brando...not good when they show the small steps you take when it was your turn to make the contest and didnt get near it because of them. Whats worse, he then starts pointing fingers to others as if he is directing traffic. Huge concern with his application, concentration and dare i say it his supposedly "elite kicking skills"....number 1 culprit for me on the weekend after seeing a couple of passages where he just didnt look like he wanted to get to the contest.
 
Hate to single out players but what did annoy me in Saturday was when Grimes had the ball off the half back flank after taking a mark, and Ellis crept up behind him doing the gimme gimme! FFS make an option down field and SPREAD Brandon. You're one of the best runners in our team, so why not utilise it? Just aimless, no sense of direction. Logical explanation is that he just wanted to rack up cheap touches where he could and didn't really care what happened with his disposal just as long he got another stat. Really team-orientated, well done. :rolleyes:
 

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CoggaRules said:
All good to wear the fluorescent boots Brando...not good when they show the small steps you take when it was your turn to make the contest and didnt get near it because of them. Whats worse, he then starts pointing fingers to others as if he is directing traffic. Huge concern with his application, concentration and dare i say it his supposedly "elite kicking skills"....number 1 culprit for me on the weekend after seeing a couple of passages where he just didnt look like he wanted to get to the contest.
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Sadly becoming Houli the second.
Cannot remember if he was dragged for that.
This is not a player talent issue yer its a coaching issue where they need to stomp it out of players early otherwise another future false leader running amok for over 200 games.
Club has now peaked with finger pointers as this is what the clubs idea of leadership has reached.
Morris Chaplin and Newman are getting gigs so where are the standards at?Coach fails to set an acceptible standard of discipline and players have become lazy undisciplined spoilt sooks
 
Blaz_Cotchin9 said:
Hate to single out players but what did annoy me in Saturday was when Grimes had the ball off the half back flank after taking a mark, and Ellis crept up behind him doing the gimme gimme! FFS make an option down field and SPREAD Brandon. You're one of the best runners in our team, so why not utilise it? Just aimless, no sense of direction. Logical explanation is that he just wanted to rack up cheap touches where he could and didn't really care what happened with his disposal just as long he got another stat. Really team-orientated, well done. :rolleyes:
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The ball movement plan at the moment is for most of the run to come from behind the player. This is why players consistently look backwards after receiving possession at a contest, to give off to somebody running from behind. This also why players would be lining up behind other players, presumably (it seems to happen a lot). I presume the ultimate aim is to work it forward by running in waves and using short disposals between the running players. Unfortunately, these backwards passes don't appear to be working for us, for two main reasons:

a) The opposition is simply flooding back in numbers, so these handballs to a player coming from behind don't actually improve our position at all (ie. a constructive handball would be one that bypasses an opposition player, putting one of our players into space). As the opposition is in front of us, waiting for us to run into them or turn it over, handballing backwards doesn't bypass any opposition players or put any of our players into space. In fact, these backwards handballs often give the opposition time to get back.

b) Players aren't running in big enough waves. Handballing backwards to runners only works if we have enough runners coming from behind that we outnumber the opposition around the ball. If you outnumber the opposition, you can handball backwards to other running players as you will always have a spare man. As it is, our only consistent rebounder from the back half is Houli, thus we aren't getting enough runners from half back to outnumber the opposition.

When you look at the good clubs, you see that instead of looking backwards at contests to handball to a runner from behind, they handball forward OVER a defender. This prevents the opposition from getting back in time and also removes a defender from the picture. This is much more effective. Players may still run from behind, but they wouldn't receive the ball unless they had a numbers advantage, or until the player running from behind had reached a position where they had passed a defender (and thus the handball was constructive).
 
Blaz_Cotchin9 said:
Hate to single out players but what did annoy me in Saturday was when Grimes had the ball off the half back flank after taking a mark, and Ellis crept up behind him doing the gimme gimme! FFS make an option down field and SPREAD Brandon. You're one of the best runners in our team, so why not utilise it? Just aimless, no sense of direction. Logical explanation is that he just wanted to rack up cheap touches where he could and didn't really care what happened with his disposal just as long he got another stat. Really team-orientated, well done. :rolleyes:
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Just following what his captain does.
 

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Nostradumbass said:
Very bad the way some of our topline players are travelling. Very very concerning....
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Definitely.

Ellis like a few others need to have a reality check. They aren't as good as they think they are and have achieved **** all.
 
Spluff said:
When you look at the good clubs, you see that instead of looking backwards at contests to handball to a runner from behind, they handball forward OVER a defender. This prevents the opposition from getting back in time and also removes a defender from the picture. This is much more effective. Players may still run from behind, but they wouldn't receive the ball unless they had a numbers advantage, or until the player running from behind had reached a position where they had passed a defender (and thus the handball was constructive).
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Football 101, stuff that anyone with half a talented fingernail, or worse, even Joe Blow down the street understands. FFS, draw the man in and loop the ball over imbeciles, stop this piss farting around with stats gathering BS, that has Dimma coming out with all kinds of BS that we won this and won that and won SFA. F**k, its as if the list needs to go back to little league to learn the f***ing basics of how to play this game. We look up and we are in space, we kick, instead of running into the space and drawing a defender out of the flood, or we look up and we see option 1 and they are covered or about to be covered and have NFI that there are options 2 3 and sometimes 4 that are dislocating their arms waving and option 1 gets it, contest, 2 on 1 turnover and goal...who the f**k is teaching them this shit!!!
 
some good points made in this thread; especially spluff's. we know that he can be a very good player and quite damaging with the ball. this season he has been less effective no doubt. he often seems to be caught in two minds. one, in terms of playing his role (the receiver, either drilling it into the forward line which he has done with some effect this season) or going to the contest. i think the footballer in him wants to go to the contest, but the coaches instructions hold him back. i think calling him out as a stat-counter is a bit harsh. he's obviously playing to instruction to use the loose man to generate run with these dinky handballs and short passes (we've seen cotch and dusty start doing this too). the trouble is, it just isn't working. it's a flawed game plan for the reasons other posters above have already pointed out. but one of the reasons why it is flawed that hasn't been mentioned too much is when houli and brando look up and get ready to deliver it into the chf line, there's f-all there. jack's got 3 on him and is leading to a flank and the rest of the forward line has pretty much broken down this year. griff being injured and ty not coming up has made us resort to this crab like movement from the back which looks s***house. i really think dusty needs to go forward. once this happens, we should start looking a bit better. and yeah, piss those fluoro boots off.
 
Bojangles17 said:
No 1 culprit for ill directed passes, I would have thought the bloke in the locker next to him had that well and truly sewed up :confused:
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Sad, but you could be referring to both of his neighbours....
 

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Spluff said:
The ball movement plan at the moment is for most of the run to come from behind the player. This is why players consistently look backwards after receiving possession at a contest, to give off to somebody running from behind. This also why players would be lining up behind other players, presumably (it seems to happen a lot). I presume the ultimate aim is to work it forward by running in waves and using short disposals between the running players. Unfortunately, these backwards passes don't appear to be working for us, for two main reasons:

a) The opposition is simply flooding back in numbers, so these handballs to a player coming from behind don't actually improve our position at all (ie. a constructive handball would be one that bypasses an opposition player, putting one of our players into space). As the opposition is in front of us, waiting for us to run into them or turn it over, handballing backwards doesn't bypass any opposition players or put any of our players into space. In fact, these backwards handballs often give the opposition time to get back.

b) Players aren't running in big enough waves. Handballing backwards to runners only works if we have enough runners coming from behind that we outnumber the opposition around the ball. If you outnumber the opposition, you can handball backwards to other running players as you will always have a spare man. As it is, our only consistent rebounder from the back half is Houli, thus we aren't getting enough runners from half back to outnumber the opposition.

When you look at the good clubs, you see that instead of looking backwards at contests to handball to a runner from behind, they handball forward OVER a defender. This prevents the opposition from getting back in time and also removes a defender from the picture. This is much more effective. Players may still run from behind, but they wouldn't receive the ball unless they had a numbers advantage, or until the player running from behind had reached a position where they had passed a defender (and thus the handball was constructive).
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Good post, I agree with you. :thumbsu:
 

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