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Flemming is a gun, but he is injury prone.

Can't even play for the redbacks this week because he went over to England bowled 4 overs and stuffed his neck.

When fit he is still Australia's 2nd best fast bowler.
 
What's Bichel done wrong? His form in tests when given the opportunity has been pretty good.

Certainly if the pitch isn't a raging turner today I hope he gets his chance. One bad game though and I bet he gets the arse before Lee!

Still, could be worse - imagine it was Shane Lee in the test team!
 
Originally posted by Catman


And I may as well start it, he's a chucker too. Him and Shoaib I feel are only allowed to play because of the outcry and controversy that would arise if they were found to be chuckers.
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Watching the first test, the 'slow mo' replays showed their arms were as bent as Robbie Waterhouse.

boom boom.
 

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Originally posted by jod23
Lee out...Fleming In.

Dont know how he got out of favour in the first place, a much better bowler in my opinion.
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Agreed, constant injuries hurt him but he was very unlucky not to get more Test opportunities then he has.

Pathetic that he didn't get to play in at least one Ashes Test ahead of Lee in 2001.
 
Originally posted by Catman


And I may as well start it, he's a chucker too. Him and Shoaib I feel are only allowed to play because of the outcry and controversy that would arise if they were found to be chuckers.
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one difference btweem lee and shoab... shoab is a magnificent strike bowler in full flight, and has a great inswinging yorker.
 
Originally posted by dougthelegend

one difference btweem lee and shoab... shoab is a magnificent strike bowler in full flight, and has a great inswinging yorker.
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True. Lee has no arsenal. Just a wayward fast ball that the batsmen play easily.
 
Brett Lee is a over rated over hyped dud who's, quicker ball is a throw
Started with an average of 20, since then would be averaging mid thirties
 
Originally posted by Brett Li


things don't bode well for Oz bowling attack in the future...where is the young talent that will take over the mantle when Glenn and Warnie retire? Lee was supposed to be that man, but you are right, he is far too wayward.

If I were you guys I'd wrap McGrath in cotton wool after every game.
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The young Australian bowers are as strong ast hey have been now for the past few years.

Spinners:
Cameron White - pretty good bowler and very handy with the bat. Not a prodigious turner of the ball, but gets a lot of bouncer and is very awkward.
Nathan Hauritz - excels in the much easier craft of finger spin. Nothing really that special, but will cause oposition batsmen some troble.

Quicls:
Paul Rofe - Probalby the best young quickie going around at the moment. Finished number 4 in the SS wickettakers last season and has a nice simple action, unlike some of the other guys goign around (ala Inness). Born in 1980.
Matt Inness - As already mentioned has an ordinary actoin which is probably one of the reasons he hasn't been mentioned in Test selections yet but he has the numbers on the board picking up 160 FC wickets already from 40-odd games at 24. including 31wkts at 19 last season in SS. Born in 1978.
Aaron Bird - Hasn't played in first class cricket yet, but has been absolutely brilliant since moving into first grade cricket in Sydney. The quickest bowler i have ever faced and i'm very happy that i only faced a couple of balls from him when he was about 14. Born in 1983.
Shane Jurgensen - Good quickie from Tasmania, has played a dozen or so first class games and nearly taken 50 wickets at around 25. Have only seen him bowl a handful of times but he looks like he can do the job at any level. Born in 1976.
Scott Brant - Made his debut last year for Queensland and has been very impressive since then. Best figures were 3 for about 20 and has shown that he can match at this level at just 18 years of age. Born in 1983.

There is defintealy plenty of talent coming through in the bowling department, and there are a few others who i didn't include in there such as Nathan Bracken (i dont reckon he has the talent the other 5 do), Damien McKenize (only played one first class game and i haven't actually seen him yet) and William Carr from Victoria (only played a few games, born in '76, but has made an immediate impact).

I would be very comfortable with putting an Australian 2nd XI bowling attack against any batting line-up in the world. I dont know whether they would EVERY team in the world, but there isn't a team that would think they had a walkover victory against them.
 
Brett is brilliant, especially his fantastic celebrations he puts on when he gets another number 11 batsman out!
 

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Originally posted by Davo23
Brett is brilliant, especially his fantastic celebrations he puts on when he gets another number 11 batsman out!
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So true, I cringe every time I see him jump 20 metres in the air after yorking the Number 11 with an average of 3.
 
Originally posted by scmods
Brett Lee is an important part of the ACB Marketing plan.
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Would not look good for Weetbix if Lee was dropped, and a few screamin teens would lose interest in the game.
 
Originally posted by Brett Li


sounds terrible
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sounds terrible because the 'Tubb' makes him sound fat? Or Shannon is too much like a chicks name?

Funny how in the early-mid 90s, Tasmania used to have really FAT guys playing for them. There was some bloke that was about 3 times bigger than David Boon
 
Originally posted by Brett Li


4. left arm leggie? not exactly a truck load of successful Left arm unorthodox bowlers thru history. no doubt some anorak will come up with a couple that took a few way back (cue BoozeHound/Dipper)
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Beeeeeeeeeeeeevoooo :D:D:D for about 6 tests then he was exposed for the part timer he really is.

My own uncle did allright for NSW in the 70's :D

ummmmmmmm not to many others though.
 
I would say there's a fair chance that Brett Lee won't be in the first Test team to play England at the Gabba in a couple of weeks.

While he hasn't been performing for a while now and still getting picked, the difference is Jason Gillespie's injury. Presuming he's fit, he'll have to come into the side and replace someone.

It will be between Bichel and Lee. I'm not Bichel's biggest fan but if he wasn't picked ahead of Lee this time, he would be entitled to be very, very harshly dealt with.
 
I've been watching Lee bowl during this series and it is obvious he has no plan whatsoever in his attack.

He simply runs in and bangs the ball in. Full toss, half volley, skewing down legside, veering way outside off. Every now and again (as the law of averages states) he'll get one on the spot, but the batsman by this point is watchful and aware and plays even the good balls quite comfortably.

It has been something of a mystery to me why this lad has held his place for so long. I'd compare him to Patrick Patterson, a Windies bowler of the mid 1980s. Full of pace but without a clue as to how to 'fox' out top-class batsmen. The classier hitters use his pace to their advantage and club him to all corners of the oval. Sure he started out in a balze of glory as the great white hope of Australian fast bowling. But his game has not developed to any degree in the ensuing years.

If we are forced to 'carry' a bowler, let it be Bichel. He may not look as flash scoffing down a bowl of brekkie cereal, but he at least has some strategy in his game, is relatively inexpensive and (lately) takes the odd wicket.
 

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Originally posted by sandeano


It has been something of a mystery to me why this lad has held his place for so long. I'd compare him to Patrick Patterson, a Windies bowler of the mid 1980s. Full of pace but without a clue as to how to 'fox' out top-class batsmen.
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Pretty good comparison that. Patterson was a fairly limited bowler although he was well known for bowling some brutal spells (one against Australia in 1988/89 at the MCG comes to mind). However when he came here in 1992/93 and his pace had dropped a bit, he was finished.

Devon Malcolm and Shoaib Akhtar would be other valid comparisons. For all the hype about Malcolm and the occasional devastating Test performance, his Test average of 37 is a very poor one

And I've never been a fan of Akhtar either, almost as overhyped as Brett Lee. Certainly, he bowled a devastating spell in the First Test, but didn't have much of an impact in the Second and didn't play in the Third, according to various accounts, with an injury you apparently get when things get too hard for you.
 
Brett Lee.

He started so well but has fallen away so badly. His bowling is very ordinary and has been for some time now.

Assuming Gillespie is fit for the Gabba, it should be McGrath, Gillespie and Bichel.

As for the others, Noffke, Innes, Bracken, Clark and maybe Nicholson are promising. Rofe might be another season or so away yet. Williams looks a bit limited to me.

I think Fleming's finished unfortunately, too many injuries.
 
I managed to see two or three overs Lee bowled today and they weren't impressive to say the least. To tailenders such as Sami and Kaniera, all he was able to deliver were a succession of predictable yorkers, with the odd short ball added in for variety.

Seemed incapable of bowling a good length delivery.

The Pakistanti batsmen didn't seem unduly fussed by his bowling and if the stats they showed were accurate, he wasn't even bowling that fast anyway.

Looked distressed at the end of his spell, and I doubt the weather was the only cause.
 

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