Carlton - Rebuilding Gone Wrong

[Grechy]

Is Carlton an example of rebuilding gone wrong? Last year it looked as if the Blues were on the way up and this years Wizards Cup only served to highlight that. After 2001 Carlton went downhill and then decided to rebuild but have been doing so for a very long time, with a lack of draft picks and old players retiring you were pretty much depleted of quality and depth which resulted in massive delistings and new faces appearing everywhere.

With the rebuilding process underway, it is evident that with the little success that the Blues had they still do not have the rebuilding process turning into anything positive. As a Richmond supporter we've been in the dumps with you lately but TW has changed things around immensely and has given us a great hope that our rebuilding is taking us somewhere. My question is does Carltons rebuilding process start now as they will finally get their draft picks and put the last 3-4 years to rest which thus means another painstaking few years ahead.

And if the new rebuilding phase is taking place which seems the only viable option will players such as Whitnall, Houlihan and Scotland be part of Carltons future rebuilding or were they just there to take Carlton through the punishment years where it was near impossible to rebuild successfully with the imposed consequences of cheating.

 

[XXX KINGS]

I would think that the club did as much as they could with what they had over the 'punishment years' to ensure we were in the best position to start the rebuilding process. This year would probably be the official start of the list turnover though. I would hope Whitnall would be a part of our future as he is a leader, Houlihan and Scotland I don't really care less about. Our rebuilding process might take longer than others as compared to other teams like the saints we simply don't have much to work with when it comes to trades. The Saints were able to gain some early picks trading players like Barry Hall and the Wakelins etc. We don't have any players it would be worth trading that we would get much in return for. Hopefully the club's drafting is spot on now. I am happy to sit towards the bottom of the ladder for the next few years to accumulate early draft picks that will lead to a team which is a premiership contender.

 

[Grechy]

I think many on these boards would disagree with Whitnall. Most would want to see him out but personally I think under the right circumstances he will have a lot to offer, probably not in a Carlton guernsey but he does have a proven footy brain and manages to find the ball despite lacking pace.

 

[Teagson]

2003 and 2004 were merely based upon survival, and hence the recruiting of second tier players.

However I have no idea why we bothered to select Longmuir and Chambers considering we no longer have to suffer draft restrictions.

Only this season have we actually begun to properly rebuild. It'll take until around 2008 before we can seriously challenge for the finals again.

I guess that's what happens when the AFL steals your draft picks.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

'Rebuilding Gone Right' - Not possible with our penalties.

We tried everything, from bush leagues to international players, but at the end of the day we're just plain old crippled.

 

[bibi01]

Is Carlton an example of rebuilding gone wrong? Last year it looked as if the Blues were on the way up and this years Wizards Cup only served to highlight that. After 2001 Carlton went downhill and then decided to rebuild but have been doing so for a very long time, with a lack of draft picks and old players retiring you were pretty much depleted of quality and depth which resulted in massive delistings and new faces appearing everywhere.

With the rebuilding process underway, it is evident that with the little success that the Blues had they still do not have the rebuilding process turning into anything positive. As a Richmond supporter we've been in the dumps with you lately but TW has changed things around immensely and has given us a great hope that our rebuilding is taking us somewhere. My question is does Carltons rebuilding process start now as they will finally get their draft picks and put the last 3-4 years to rest which thus means another painstaking few years ahead.

And if the new rebuilding phase is taking place which seems the only viable option will players such as Whitnall, Houlihan and Scotland be part of Carltons future rebuilding or were they just there to take Carlton through the punishment years where it was near impossible to rebuild successfully with the imposed consequences of cheating.

to re-build a side it takes minimum 2-3 years, the position carlton got themselves into means our re-building process takes 5-6 years.

 

[HBF]

Is Carlton an example of rebuilding gone wrong? Last year it looked as if the Blues were on the way up and this years Wizards Cup only served to highlight that. After 2001 Carlton went downhill and then decided to rebuild but have been doing so for a very long time, with a lack of draft picks and old players retiring you were pretty much depleted of quality and depth which resulted in massive delistings and new faces appearing everywhere.

With the rebuilding process underway, it is evident that with the little success that the Blues had they still do not have the rebuilding process turning into anything positive. As a Richmond supporter we've been in the dumps with you lately but TW has changed things around immensely and has given us a great hope that our rebuilding is taking us somewhere. My question is does Carltons rebuilding process start now as they will finally get their draft picks and put the last 3-4 years to rest which thus means another painstaking few years ahead.

And if the new rebuilding phase is taking place which seems the only viable option will players such as Whitnall, Houlihan and Scotland be part of Carltons future rebuilding or were they just there to take Carlton through the punishment years where it was near impossible to rebuild successfully with the imposed consequences of cheating.

I believe our rebuilding process will take longer than those of the Saints, Tigers and Hawks, with the recent penalties imposed on us by the AFL.

The likes of Scotland, McGrath, Bowyer, etc were taken to introduce new blood into the club that were ready made senior players. I would hasten to guess that at this years draft that we will take all youngsters, and let the rebuilding take place.

I am confident that our recruiting staff "got it right" at last years draft, picking up Russell, Hartlett, Blackwell, Bryan and Raso, who, had he not been picked up, was going to be a likely top 10 this year.

Add that the Walker, Waite, Thornton, Livingston, Fevola (who is only 24), Carrazzo, Betts, Stevens and co, we are starting to get a reasonable squad together.

I believe that we'll be extremely active come trade week, and wouldn't surprise me if we end up with 4-5 picks in the top 25-30. I believe we are still in for a few more tough years, however, if we can accumulate some early pick in the process, then I believe we'll be back as a power.

Just be careful in your assessment of the Tigers though. There is no question that TW has done very well, but some of your key players are getting older: Richo, Gaspar, etc, and you may need to hold your enthusiasm a bit longer.

 

[skillsy_44]

I think this years draft will be very important to the long term sucess of the club. If we can pick up so talent in the areas we need to (midfield), things will start to look rosey in a few years time. If we keep picking up players from other clubs that can't get games there, hoping they'll all of a sudden become good in a Carlton jumper, we'll be down the botton for a few years yet.

 

[mojo31]

I believe our rebuilding process will take longer than those of the Saints, Tigers and Hawks, with the recent penalties imposed on us by the AFL.

The likes of Scotland, McGrath, Bowyer, etc were taken to introduce new blood into the club that were ready made senior players. I would hasten to guess that at this years draft that we will take all youngsters, and let the rebuilding take place.

I am confident that our recruiting staff "got it right" at last years draft, picking up Russell, Hartlett, Blackwell, Bryan and Raso, who, had he not been picked up, was going to be a likely top 10 this year.

Add that the Walker, Waite, Thornton, Livingston, Fevola (who is only 24), Carrazzo, Betts, Stevens and co, we are starting to get a reasonable squad together.

I believe that we'll be extremely active come trade week, and wouldn't surprise me if we end up with 4-5 picks in the top 25-30. I believe we are still in for a few more tough years, however, if we can accumulate some early pick in the process, then I believe we'll be back as a power.

Just be careful in your assessment of the Tigers though. There is no question that TW has done very well, but some of your key players are getting older: Richo, Gaspar, etc, and you may need to hold your enthusiasm a bit longer.

Agree with all of that. Last year was year 1 in the re build. Take this year and another 3 years to finish the job.
I would prefer to be in Hawthorns position than Richmond. Hawthorn took 3 quality youngsters in Lewis, Buddy and Roughead and they all show signs. There experienced blokes are giving them nothing apart from Crawf and Everitt. There recycled bolkes in Jacobs, Beaumont etc are just like ours and are just filling in holes. Hawthorn will get another 2 top picks this year. Likely to get some more next year and are building slowly.

Richmond on the other hand went for Simmonds on a 5 year contract and Knobel and Mark Graham. Got Deledio who is class and Tambling who is ???.
Gaspar, Richo, Kellaway, Stafford are all 29 plus.

Carlton cannot go down this road at the end of the year.
No Mark Graham types. No band aid solutions.
Get a quality player in the PSD or in trading. No 'handy" types please.
Luke Power, Mal, Kossy and other players of that ilk are worth throwing money at in the PSD. If nobody is available who walks into the starting 22 easily and is clearly superior to what we have then not interested. Better to pick a youngster and look for them to develop.
Chambers/Longmuir types are not the answer.
I would much prefer 6 wins next year and the club picking the best young talent from the draft and not recruiting any hacks from other clubs.
Better than picking up Josh Wooden, Rowan Jones, James Rahilly types we can get from other clubs and winning 8 to 10 games and then being in the situation we are in now in 2007.

Bring Sean Rehn over from West Adelaide as an assistant coach for next year also.

 

[Kooley]

I think this years draft will be very important to the long term sucess of the club..

Thanks for stating the obvious skillsy. I say if the recruiters can't get it right at this draft with the picks we are going to have at our disposal then they should be shot. No excuses for O'Sullivan and his pack of over paid cronies.

Just have a look at a recent first rd draft picks: Livingston, Sporn, Wiggins, Rance, Massie, Walker: Not a very good player amongst them. Sorry a little harsh on Walker. The jury is still out on Russell and Hartlett.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Look, though we are on the bottom, i don't think this mass rebuilding needs to go ahead.
20 minutes into the last quarter of the Escort/Commodore/Wizard who cares cup we were looking fairly dapper. The key rebound defender goes down (Thornton) and that throws us out.
round 1, the nominated gorilla stopper (Livingston) goes down and suddenly Lance who cruised through as a fallback role pre season is suddenly accountable.
Roundabout Round 6 Kouta, Campo, Stevens and even Chambers (Hawthorn) all sustained knee injuries.
Now we still managed til 9 when French number 1 one ruckman goes down
(basically he filled the hole down back, acted as a blocker), then Deluca the third tall.
Still we fluffed along till round 11, when the wheels started to fall off.
What i am getting at is that we haven't had a 'best' side all year.
Granted the second year/second club players havent been as consistent, but,
once your talls go down you are bascially knackered, these blokes are the bookends of the team, and with size/bulk you create space, and the team becomes more adaptable, only have to look at WCE.
Added to this is the relative age and the size and these bodies cannot physcially last 22 rounds.
Really i wouldn't be looking at getting rid of anymore than 6 players and those guys are currently playing for their careers, Bowyer, McGrath and the like.
Three good draft pics, some luck with injury, bigger bodies next year, it aint the end of the world.
Don't want to hear about midfielders (though i have made excuses for prev 4), they are a bit like herpes, always around, always a concern, but have to check a sheet to see if they cause any damage.

 

[mojo31]

Thanks for stating the obvious skillsy. I say if the recruiters can't get it right at this draft with the picks we are going to have at our disposal then they should be shot. No excuses for O'Sullivan and his pack of over paid cronies.

Just have a look at a recent first rd draft picks: Livingston, Sporn, Wiggins, Rance, Massie, Walker: Not a very good player amongst them. Sorry a little harsh on Walker. The jury is still out on Russell and Hartlett.

O'Sullivan?

 

[HBF]

Thanks for stating the obvious skillsy. I say if the recruiters can't get it right at this draft with the picks we are going to have at our disposal then they should be shot. No excuses for O'Sullivan and his pack of over paid cronies.
Just have a look at a recent first rd draft picks: Livingston, Sporn, Wiggins, Rance, Massie, Walker: Not a very good player amongst them. Sorry a little harsh on Walker. The jury is still out on Russell and Hartlett.

I think you'll find that Shane O'Sullivan has been totally removed from the recruiting department at Carlton. Wayne Hughes has now taken over from Shane as Recruiting Manager

 

[Silvagnis]

Thanks for stating the obvious skillsy. I say if the recruiters can't get it right at this draft with the picks we are going to have at our disposal then they should be shot. No excuses for O'Sullivan and his pack of over paid cronies.

Just have a look at a recent first rd draft picks: Livingston, Sporn, Wiggins, Rance, Massie, Walker: Not a very good player amongst them. Sorry a little harsh on Walker. The jury is still out on Russell and Hartlett.

Murray Rance was an O.K. player, but Murray Vance was sheissenhausen!

 

[celtic_pride]

Thanks for stating the obvious skillsy. I say if the recruiters can't get it right at this draft with the picks we are going to have at our disposal then they should be shot. No excuses for O'Sullivan and his pack of over paid cronies.

Just have a look at a recent first rd draft picks: Livingston, Sporn, Wiggins, Rance, Massie, Walker: Not a very good player amongst them. Sorry a little harsh on Walker. The jury is still out on Russell and Hartlett.

Too early to judge Russell and Hartlett although I do with we drafted Jordan Lewis instead (has become a very good player for Hawthorn)

 

[Bentleigh]

There is alot amoung you with little idea.

Agree with all of that. Last year was year 1 in the re build. Take this year and another 3 years to finish the job.
I would prefer to be in Hawthorns position than Richmond. Hawthorn took 3 quality youngsters in Lewis, Buddy and Roughead and they all show signs. There experienced blokes are giving them nothing apart from Crawf and Everitt. picks this year. Likely to get some more next year and are building slowly.There recycled bolkes in Jacobs, Beaumont etc are just like ours and are just filling in holes. Hawthorn will get another 2 top

Richmond on the other hand went for Simmonds on a 5 year contract and Knobel and Mark Graham. Got Deledio who is class and Tambling who is ???.
Gaspar, Richo, Kellaway, Stafford are all 29 plus.

Carlton cannot go down this road at the end of the year.
No Mark Graham types. No band aid solutions.
Get a quality player in the PSD or in trading. No 'handy" types please.
Luke Power, Mal, Kossy and other players of that ilk are worth throwing money at in the PSD. If nobody is available who walks into the starting 22 easily and is clearly superior to what we have then not interested. Better to pick a youngster and look for them to develop.
Chambers/Longmuir types are not the answer.

Richmond didn't just get Deledio you knob. We traded Ottens for picks 12 and 16. We picked up 3 gun onballers in Deledio, Tambling, Meyer with 1/4/12, Pattison who won the coaches award, TAC CUP CHF, TAC Cup sides B&F and a host of other honours @ 16 and a potential gun in and under type in Polo (another TAC cup side B&F) @ 20.

Thats 5 outstanding Junior players, 5 top 20 picks. On top of the we also took 2 more KPP's with the first picks int he 3rd & 4th rounds of the draft; Limbach & McGaune.

Simmionds, a more than solid rucking/key forward was traded for Fiora.

Knobel has been very good. Remember Pagan would have givin his right nut for Trent over Bettes. Mark Graham has been great whislt allowing kids to deveolp in the 2's.

We have got half a dozen deadset gun kids whilst getting a Proven top line key forward/ruckman who has just turned 26 and a solid ruckman whom is 25.

I would much prefer 6 wins next year and the club picking the best young talent from the draft and not recruiting any hacks from other clubs.
Better than picking up Josh Wooden, Rowan Jones, James Rahilly types we can get from other clubs and winning 8 to 10 games and then being in the situation we are in now in 2007.

Your best 3 players are your 3 oldest. Stevens gets his kicks from kicking out, Fev has a good game one every dozen. Half your side is recycled hacks and you have no talent due to cheating.

Enjoy the next 5 years in the bottom then ladies

 

[Tigerbob]

There is alot amoung you with little idea.



Richmond didn't just get Deledio you knob. We traded Ottens for picks 12 and 16. We picked up 3 gun onballers in Deledio, Tambling, Meyer with 1/4/12, Pattison who won the coaches award, TAC CUP CHF, TAC Cup sides B&F and a host of other honours @ 16 and a potential gun in and under type in Polo (another TAC cup side B&F) @ 20.

Thats 5 outstanding Junior players, 5 top 20 picks. On top of the we also took 2 more KPP's with the first picks int he 3rd & 4th rounds of the draft; Limbach & McGaune.

Simmionds, a more than solid rucking/key forward was traded for Fiora.

Knobel has been very good. Remember Pagan would have givin his right nut for Trent over Bettes. Mark Graham has been great whislt allowing kids to deveolp in the 2's.

We have got half a dozen deadset gun kids whilst getting a Proven top line key forward/ruckman who has just turned 26 and a solid ruckman whom is 25.



Your best 3 players are your 3 oldest. Stevens gets his kicks from kicking out, Fev has a good game one every dozen. Half your side is recycled hacks and you have no talent due to cheating.

Enjoy the next 5 years in the bottom then ladies

I hardly ever agree with Bentleg over here but on this occassion he is spot on.

Our rebuilding started the year before with names like Gilmour, Jackson, Roach, Raines, Hartigan, Archibald and Tuck drafted. Last year was the cream of the crop.

Pick 1) Brett Deledio - The best player in the draft (with Griffen) by a mile, he is a superstar and has all the potential to be one of the games greats, his pace, skills and brains make him a rare commodity, sensational player.

Pick 4) Richard Tambling - Explosive, explosive, explosive. He is an electric machine and has plenty of skill and class to match. No one has seen the best of Richard yet but they will and he will be exactly what Michael Long says of him.

Pick 12) Danny Meyer - This guy was an absolute steal at 12, should have been a top 10 pick and everyone thinks Hawthorn did well to get Lewis at 7...they made a mistake, this bloke is a dead set gun. A sprint champion as a junior, he has the same build an moves like a young Gavin Wanganeen. Again his pace, skill and brains make him a jet, and a future superstar of the competition.

*With those three picks, Richmond got 3 future 200+ gamers who possess unbelievable pace, skill and class and all have excellent football brains.*

Pick 16) Adam Pattison - Is showing at Coburg what Terry Wallace saw in him. A big unit who will only get bigger, extremely mobile for his size, has alot of Stewie Loewe about the way he marks and moves, never gives away front position and his greatest strenght is his fitness level, ran a 14.6 beep test which is extroadinary for a big man and shows that on game day as he never stops presenting. Can play very effectively in the ruck and with Troy Simmonds and Trent Knobel has time to develop his game @ Coburg.

Pick 20) Dean Polo - Everyone was suprised when we picked him up and some immature thinking Richmond supporters even labelled him a failure in the first few months of recruiting him!! Shows what they know. Has been sensational for Coburg in the guts and has a lot of Mark Coughlan in him, is a fierce competitor and throws himself at the ball. Great fitness and a very good complement to the Deledio, Tambling and Meyer pick ups in Richmonds future midfield!

So with the first five picks I believe Richmond did very well anyway. With the other selections we took developing talls in Limbach and McGuane, they will take a couple of years but both show heaps of promise but there is an element of wait and see. If the develop like Richmond want them to, this will go down as the best draft for Richmond ever and the moment they became a very good football club again. Also Will Thursfield is another developing tall who has been promoted and is playing in the senior squad. Is a developing tall also.

This is the mode Carlton should take, trade your aging stars for fresh young talent. I think I am one of the only Richmond fans that like the Blues and wish you all the best. You guys made a big mistake in keeping Fevola, should have stock piled your picks and also Lance Whitnall should be traded too. Get the young guns in, develop them and bear the fruit of what can happen.

All the Best.

 

[juzza316]

I hardly ever agree with Bentleg over here but on this occassion he is spot on.

Our rebuilding started the year before with names like Gilmour, Jackson, Roach, Raines, Hartigan, Archibald and Tuck drafted. Last year was the cream of the crop.

Pick 1) Brett Deledio - The best player in the draft (with Griffen) by a mile, he is a superstar and has all the potential to be one of the games greats, his pace, skills and brains make him a rare commodity, sensational player.

Pick 4) Richard Tambling - Explosive, explosive, explosive. He is an electric machine and has plenty of skill and class to match. No one has seen the best of Richard yet but they will and he will be exactly what Michael Long says of him.

Pick 12) Danny Meyer - This guy was an absolute steal at 12, should have been a top 10 pick and everyone thinks Hawthorn did well to get Lewis at 7...they made a mistake, this bloke is a dead set gun. A sprint champion as a junior, he has the same build an moves like a young Gavin Wanganeen. Again his pace, skill and brains make him a jet, and a future superstar of the competition.

*With those three picks, Richmond got 3 future 200+ gamers who possess unbelievable pace, skill and class and all have excellent football brains.*

Pick 16) Adam Pattison - Is showing at Coburg what Terry Wallace saw in him. A big unit who will only get bigger, extremely mobile for his size, has alot of Stewie Loewe about the way he marks and moves, never gives away front position and his greatest strenght is his fitness level, ran a 14.6 beep test which is extroadinary for a big man and shows that on game day as he never stops presenting. Can play very effectively in the ruck and with Troy Simmonds and Trent Knobel has time to develop his game @ Coburg.

Pick 20) Dean Polo - Everyone was suprised when we picked him up and some immature thinking Richmond supporters even labelled him a failure in the first few months of recruiting him!! Shows what they know. Has been sensational for Coburg in the guts and has a lot of Mark Coughlan in him, is a fierce competitor and throws himself at the ball. Great fitness and a very good complement to the Deledio, Tambling and Meyer pick ups in Richmonds future midfield!

So with the first five picks I believe Richmond did very well anyway. With the other selections we took developing talls in Limbach and McGuane, they will take a couple of years but both show heaps of promise but there is an element of wait and see. If the develop like Richmond want them to, this will go down as the best draft for Richmond ever and the moment they became a very good football club again. Also Will Thursfield is another developing tall who has been promoted and is playing in the senior squad. Is a developing tall also.

This is the mode Carlton should take, trade your aging stars for fresh young talent. I think I am one of the only Richmond fans that like the Blues and wish you all the best. You guys made a big mistake in keeping Fevola, should have stock piled your picks and also Lance Whitnall should be traded too. Get the young guns in, develop them and bear the fruit of what can happen.

All the Best.

Would have to agree with the majority of your post, other than trading Fev.

He is only 24/25 years old and in the next couple of years will (hopefully) mature into an elite footballer. He has exceptional talent, it is just a matter of getting his head right. We can build a team for the future around the likes of Fev, Stevens, Waite, Walker, Fisher, Thornton and to a lesser extent even Livingston.

It's hard to find a full forward who can kick big bags of goals consistently and I think Fev has the potential to do so.

Whitnall on the other hand is a player on the decline, and has been for some time now. We will probably use him as trade bait at the end of the season, but I doubt we would get anything more for him than a late second round pick for him, which is hardly worth it. We might as well hang onto him for another year or two and pray that he comes good.

We need to draft wisely this year and next year, then hopefully by 2007 we will at least make the finals. That is what I am dying for, and can't wait for that day to happen, albeit next year or in 5 years!

 

[Silvagnis]

Meyer with 1/4/12, Pattison who won the coaches award, TAC CUP CHF, TAC Cup sides B&F and a host of other honours @ 16 and a potential gun in and under type in Polo (another TAC cup side B&F) @ 20.

Thats 5 outstanding Junior players, 5 top 20 picks. On top of the we also took 2 more KPP's with the first picks int he 3rd & 4th rounds of the draft; Limbach & McGaune.

I thought you said being rapt with Russell and Hartlett, was as bad as believing Meyer and Limbach would be players to build around.
Meyer and Limbach don't make a talented young list

Simmionds, a more than solid rucking/key forward was traded for Fiora .


Knobel has been very good. Remember Pagan would have givin his right nut for Trent over Bettes. Mark Graham has been great whislt allowing kids to deveolp in the 2's.

French has been a better ruckman than Knobel this year and Betts heloed us knock off the Hawks.

We have got half a dozen deadset gun kids whilst getting a Proven top line key forward/ruckman who has just turned 26 and a solid ruckman whom is 25.



Your best 3 players are your 3 oldest. Stevens gets his kicks from kicking out, Fev has a good game one every dozen. Half your side is recycled hacks and you have no talent due to cheating.

Who have been our best three players?
Kouta and French have been good this year, and Stevens is only 25 years of age.And a better pickup for nix than giving a 5 year contract to Rubber **** Simmonds.

Enjoy the next 5 years in the bottom then ladies

How can you guarantee we'll be down the bottom for five years? The draft system doesn't work that way and you can't! The Tigers aren't going to be a contender with the WCE,Saints,Melbourne,Brisbane,Geelong all having better lists than Richmond.

 

[Abaddon]

I think the worst thing that Carlton could do is follow the Richmond mode.
Using the most unsucessful team in the last 25 years as a guide is about as wrong as anyone could get it.
Richmond are 1 Richo hissy fit (and he's only a year or 2 from retiring anway) away from being bottom 4 again.

 

[cogs24]

I think the worst thing that Carlton could do is follow the Richmond mode.
Using the most unsucessful team in the last 25 years as a guide is about as wrong as anyone could get it.
Richmond are 1 Richo hissy fit (and he's only a year or 2 from retiring anway) away from being bottom 4 again.

id rather be i richo hissyfit away from being bottom four again than being sitting on the bottom with only 2 wins and only a couple of promising kids, youll be bottom four for the next 3 years at the rate your going at

 

[Silvagnis]

id rather be i richo hissyfit away from being bottom four again than being sitting on the bottom with only 2 wins and only a couple of promising kids, youll be bottom four for the next 3 years at the rate your going at

Richmond have been found as a pretender and Richo, Gaspar, Kellaway, Campbell,Stafford are all approaching 30.So the Tigers will somehow have to find replacements for them soon and there won't be any priority picks for Tigers for the next few years, or any players left that have value in trade week.

 

[Abaddon]

Richmond have been found as a pretender and Richo, Gaspar, Kellaway, Campbell,Stafford are all approaching 30.So the Tigers will somehow have to find replacements for them soon and there won't be any priority picks for Tigers for the next few years, or any players left that have value in trade week.

spot on.
richmond are definitely not the model Carlton want to be following. They've got as much young talent as carlton, which is pretty lean.
Richmond are going nowhere.

 

[Bentleigh]

spot on.
richmond are definitely not the model Carlton want to be following.

Richmond has 3 mature players it relys apon

- Richo, Gaspar & Kellaway.
- Carlton = French, Kouta, Campo, Lappin...

They've got as much young talent as carlton, which is pretty lean.
Richmond are going nowhere.

I would claim our steals from the 2003 draft; Harigan, Raines, Jackson, Gilmour and co. are more than handy while 5 picks in the top 20 plus 3rd & 4th round first pick KPP's is a fairly decent list of 1st & 2nd year players... more so than a club that cheats thus isnt allowed decent draft picks....

But hat ever helps you sleep at night my son.

 

[Mentallo]

There is alot amoung you with little idea.

You sir have no idea, and i hope none of my fellow Blues supporters actually take on board the absolute twaddle that you manage to come up with every time you post on BF.