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[NSWCROW]

I would suggest that most welfare recipients are not necessarily in your situation. They have taken a lot more than they have given back.

STATS son


Give us STATS

What % are " Bludgers " ?


I don't want an estimation....

 

[DaRick]

On ABC this morning it was pointed out that the proposed tax cuts for the Clive Palmers is more expensive than extending Jobkeeper at the current rate.

Just think about that.

Clive's probably laughing his butt off.

I certainly would be.

 

[NSWCROW]

STATS son


Give us STATS

What % are " Bludgers " ?


I don't want an estimation....

24hrs later.....

 

[Taylor]

STATS son


Give us STATS

What % are " Bludgers " ?


I don't want an estimation....

I don't think we can put an accurate percentage on it. The regular person with two kids in school doesn't become a net tax positive to the country until they are making over $74,000 a year. That's a significant proportion of people living a good honest life and working hard.

I don't think we can look at it as a function of what you've tipped in.

 

[NSWCROW]

Taylor with the chop out

 

[Gethelred]

I don't think we can put an accurate percentage on it. The regular person with two kids in school doesn't become a net tax positive to the country until they are making over $74,000 a year. That's a significant proportion of people living a good honest life and working hard.

I don't think we can look at it as a function of what you've tipped in.

When I was on the Newstart, I met any number of people from an extremely diverse set of backgrounds. I met people who were injured and couldn't work, I met former law clerks, I met engineers and builders.

On one hand, you're right when you say putting a figure on whether a welfare recipient has contributed more tax than they've taken away in other ways. I'd have thought there is a case to be made that this is not the way to be looking at welfare in the first place but whatever; surely getting people to the point where they can get re-employed again and contribute something is more acceptable than nothing.

On the other hand, I think the percentage figure - if you wanted to put a number on it - for those who once re-employed would be net tax positive for the country would be greater than people would think.

 

[Number37]

When I was on the Newstart, I met any number of people from an extremely diverse set of backgrounds. I met people who were injured and couldn't work, I met former law clerks, I met engineers and builders.

On one hand, you're right when you say putting a figure on whether a welfare recipient has contributed more tax than they've taken away in other ways. I'd have thought there is a case to be made that this is not the way to be looking at welfare in the first place but whatever; surely getting people to the point where they can get re-employed again and contribute something is more acceptable than nothing.

On the other hand, I think the percentage figure - if you wanted to put a number on it - for those who once re-employed would be net tax positive for the country would be greater than people would think.

Most people who are unemployed don't get any govt assistance.





https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...ember/Overlap_between_unemployed_and_the_dole

 

[Number37]

When I was on the Newstart, I met any number of people from an extremely diverse set of backgrounds. I met people who were injured and couldn't work, I met former law clerks, I met engineers and builders.

On one hand, you're right when you say putting a figure on whether a welfare recipient has contributed more tax than they've taken away in other ways. I'd have thought there is a case to be made that this is not the way to be looking at welfare in the first place but whatever; surely getting people to the point where they can get re-employed again and contribute something is more acceptable than nothing.

On the other hand, I think the percentage figure - if you wanted to put a number on it - for those who once re-employed would be net tax positive for the country would be greater than people would think.

Something else that might pique your interest.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/98...Welfare-Chapter-3-summary-18Sept2019.pdf.aspx


When reading that report bear in mind that since the GST came into effect the welfare system has been used as a means of compensating low income earners to prevent them bearing an unequal burden of GST.

 

[Over The Post]

bear in mind that since the GST came into effect the welfare system has been used as a means of compensating low income earners to prevent them bearing an unequal burden of GST.

Low income earners spend most, if not all, of their benefit on goods and services that attract GST. Anyone who earns more and does not spend all their income (including paying a mortgage), is proportionately better off. The welfare system falls far short.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Low income earners spend most, if not all, of their benefit on goods and services that attract GST. Anyone who earns more and does not spend all their income, is proportionately better off. The welfare system falls far short.

Your money is actually useless until you spend it. If i have no food, no shelter etc, a million bucks doesn't help me until i spend some of it.

You worked out that people who earn more money than they need are better off. :/
If rich people buy a Jet Ski, a boat, a yacht, they pay GST.
If they eat out an buy lavish meals they pay GST.
Many staple foods in supermarkets don't attract GST , so if low income earners send most of their benefit on goods and services that attract GST , they are doing it wrong.

Dodgy operators who only get paid cash, don't pay income tax, but they still have to pay GST.
Its only those who find a way to channel it offshore that make an unfair gain.

 

[NSWCROW]

Achy Blakey Heart

How are those figures coming along ?

 

[Number37]

Low income earners spend most, if not all, of their benefit on goods and services that attract GST. Anyone who earns more and does not spend all their income (including paying a mortgage), is proportionately better off. The welfare system falls far short.

The welfare system falls a long way short of evening it up.

 

[Over The Post]

 

[NSWCROW]

So almost 2 full days later and achy hasn't produced anything.


Yeeeeeah remember that the next time he comes in here swinging it like he's Sauron in the opening scene of Fellowship

 

[Gethelred]

So almost 2 full days later and achy hasn't produced anything.


Yeeeeeah remember that the next time he comes in here swinging it like he's Sauron in the opening scene of Fellowship

Funniest bit, they've been around. Would definitely have seen your post.

Duck for cover!

 

[Over The Post]

Not missed in the slightest.

 

[NSWCROW]

So almost 2 full days later and achy hasn't produced anything.


Yeeeeeah remember that the next time he comes in here swinging it like he's Sauron in the opening scene of Fellowship

It's.....it's.....it's almost like 3aw or the hun TOLD him to think that hey.....



Oh well , at least i've destroyed ANY credibility he may have gotten in the future in the thread.




AND THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD ALWAYS FACT-CHECK BEFORE YOU HIT " POST REPLY " BOYS AND GIRLS

 

[Frank Bunn]

Many staple foods in supermarkets don't attract GST , so if low income earners send most of their benefit on goods and services that attract GST , they are doing it wrong.

Spending on smokes is also doing it wrong.

% daily smokers according to the National Drug Strategy Household Survey 2019

Employed 11%
Unemployed 19.9%
People unable to work 29%

A 25 pack of Marlboro Gold costs around $48. About $26.50 of that is tax.

 

[Over The Post]

Remove the stress and people won't smoke like chimneys.

 

[Over The Post]

It's an addiction, and it feeds on stress. It's a legal drug and it always will be because governments are addicted to the tax it brings in.

 

[DaRick]

Spending on smokes is also doing it wrong.

% daily smokers according to the National Drug Strategy Household Survey 2019

Employed 11%
Unemployed 19.9%
People unable to work 29%

A 25 pack of Marlboro Gold costs around $48. About $26.50 of that is tax.

Wouldn't surprise me if the loss of self-esteem from unemployment or losing the ability to work caused more smoking as a stress reliever, especially if you haven't been able to work for a while.

Of course, people shouldn't be indulging habits like that when they're unemployed, but I feel like people tend to get the root cause of this sort of phenomena wrong.

 

[twotooto]

wowwee $48 for a pack of darts nowadays? **** paying that sort of coin for something that doesn't even give you a rev!

Although if you are on Newstart, working, retired/other and you want to spend your money on cigs, then by gees by golly by crikey you go ahead and do so. Not for me to tell you how to spend your coin.

In other words, I disagree, vehemently, with holding people accountable on how they spend their money(specifically, in this case, with respect to the subject of this thread - Newstart/social services).

 

[eddiesmith]

How the **** could you to smoke with no job these days. Don't feed the kids properly I guess.

Even when I was growing up I had a friend who couldn’t get money to buy food whilst we were out but his mum never went without her smokes!

 

[Frank Bunn]

Wouldn't surprise me if the loss of self-esteem from unemployment or losing the ability to work caused more smoking as a stress reliever, especially if you haven't been able to work for a while.

That could be a factor. I think it's more likely that there's a demographic that is more likely to smoke and also more likely to be unemployed.

A study found that smokers were younger, less educated and more likely to be unstably housed, in poorer health and to possess a criminal record than non-smokers. But even when you allow for those social factors non-smokers were 30% more likely to be employed after 12 months than smokers, and for those who found work within the year, non-smokers earned about $5 an hour more.

There was some confirmation of what eddiesmith said.

When the smokers were asked about their spending priorities tobacco was placed above outgoings including transport funds, mobile phone and grooming care - such as getting a haircut.​

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You guys got no idea how we fund some of the shit we get up to on jobseeker.