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No wonder we can't beat the good sides also......

2nd worse in comp !!!!!

Ess Centre Clearances (CC) CC diff (+36) #1 Pts from CC diff (-20) #15 Strike Rate - Pts Per 100 CC (32.2) #18


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That's what happens when you hack it forward like a blind wood chopper.
 
I've read that post 4 times and still can't make sense of it
 
It makes you wonder how we knocked over Freo in Perth, Sydney in Sydney, and Port at home. I wonder what those same stats were in those games specifically? It also shows how pants they must've been v Collingwood, GCS and *.
 

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Twinkletoes said:
It makes you wonder how we knocked over Freo in Perth, Sydney in Sydney, and Port at home. I wonder what those same stats were in those games specifically? It also shows how pants they must've been v Collingwood, GCS and *.
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Just on that Port game. I think our most damagin centre clearance group that day for the majority was Dal, Levi and Cunners. And it worked so wonderfully well. A great balance. We had all with great inside ball winning ability and someone commented that Dal would Levi dishing it out to him. Cunners was just immense with his all round game. The ball was hitting our forwards lace out. And this against Port.
We need Spitta to get back to his best ASAP to chop out Levi. Wells is the perfect foil for Cunners and Boom is just as good a ball user as Nick.
Those 6 IMO are our best centre clearance players. We need Wells and Swallow back to their best ASAP.
 
Jay-Z said:
I've read that post 4 times and still can't make sense of it
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Its basically saying that we are third last in total centre clearances and second last in our ability to generate a score from the centre clearances we have won. Which is fine if you have other ways of generating scores.
 
Geelong is fairly low down. And it hasn't stopped them from dismantling us and seating 7:2
 
Show us the champion data figures for the first quarter only. It's the first quarter that screws us:

After quarter time the scores in matches this season have been:

NM 42 Ess 70
NM 69 WB 51
NM 77 Port 63
NM 69 SS 35
NM 43 Coll 59
NM 56 Freo 33
NM 67 GC 74
NM 90 Bris 31
NM 77 Geelong 76

Show us the differentials between the first quarter and the rest of the game.

Overall match stats are pointless.
 
B Tron said:
Its basically saying that we are third last in total centre clearances and second last in our ability to generate a score from the centre clearances we have won. Which is fine if you have other ways of generating scores.
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OK I was confused by the third sentence but now I realise it is about Essendon.

I really don't think these stats tell you the story of our season. For me, it still comes down to effort.

I can't get specific centre clearances stats but if you look at the overall clearance stats we have only lost this stat twice (smashed by essendon in Rd 1 when Goldy was injured and beaten comfortably by Collingwood). On the other hand, we are +68 (+13.6 on avg) in contested possessions in games we've won and -114 (-28.5 on avg) in games we've lost! That's a huge swing
 
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The other thing that is a worry is the efficiency (or lack thereof) of our ball movement.
We have only won the inside 50 count in 2 games this year (+2 vs WB and +24 vs Bris)

Last year we won this in 13/22 games and went +12 (on avg) in games we won and -7 in games we lost
This year, remarkably we are -2 in games we've won (and this is made prettier by the smashing of Brisbane) and -12 in games we've lost
 
Jay-Z said:
The other thing that is a worry is the efficiency (or lack thereof) of our ball movement.
We have only won the inside 50 count in 2 games this year (+2 vs WB and +24 vs Bris)

Last year we won this in 13/22 games and went +12 (on avg) in games we won and -7 in games we lost
This year, remarkably we are -2 in games we've won (and this is made prettier by the smashing of Brisbane) and -12 in games we've lost
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movement is too slow and too predictable off from the backline. we've gone back to chip it into the pocket and then belt it up the line from kick ins. this leaves us with roughly 1/3 chance of generating an inside 50. if the opposition dont win this ball there is generally a stoppage caused, where our dismal clearance record ATM sees this ball pumped back into our 50 once again.
 
Jay-Z said:
OK I was confused by the third sentence but now I realise it is about Essendon.

I really don't think these stats tell you the story of our season. For me, it still comes down to effort.

I can't get specific centre clearances stats but if you look at the overall clearance stats we have only lost this stat twice (smashed by essendon in Rd 1 when Goldy was injured and beaten comfortably by Collingwood). On the other hand, we are +68 (+13.6 on avg) in contested possessions in games we've won and -114 (-28.5 on avg) in games we've lost! That's a huge swing
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Yeah, it's only a snap shot of one aspect of the game. It tells us that we don't place great emphasis on clean usage from centre clearances, or in fact winning them.
 

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shinboner spiggs said:
movement is too slow and too predictable off from the backline. we've gone back to chip it into the pocket and then belt it up the line from kick ins. this leaves us with roughly 1/3 chance of generating an inside 50. if the opposition dont win this ball there is generally a stoppage caused, where our dismal clearance record ATM sees this ball pumped back into our 50 once again.
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Dismal?? We are +22 in clearances for the year. Considering we are -46 for the year in Contested Possession (a lot of which happen around stoppages), that is surprisingly good!
 
B Tron said:
Yeah, it's only a snap shot of one aspect of the game. It tells us that we don't place great emphasis on clean usage from centre clearances, or in fact winning them.
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Perhaps. To me it says we've been hurt by injuries to Swallow, Ziebell and Wells (aka our 3 best mids from 2013) more than people realise
 
shinboner spiggs said:
Someones gotta do it
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I'd hate to think what our clearance stats would be like if Goldy had missed the first few months as was originally predicted after the rd 1 injury
 
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Ziebell's our worst offender in ineffective clearances, in my opinion. Soon as he gets the footy, he lays boot to it. Cunnington used to be a bit the same but at least he has a look for a better option now.
 
Perhaps we need a stat for clearances to advantage/effective, rather than just clearances per se
 
I reckon contested possession in isolation is a misleading stat. Picture two players chasing a loose ball. Our bloke wins it and gives a handball into traffic, where someone fails to pick it up low, and the ball is swept away by the opposition for a clean mark inside 50. Contested possession count in that passage is 1:1.
 
Event Horizon said:
I reckon contested possession in isolation is a misleading stat. Picture two players chasing a loose ball. Our bloke wins it and gives a handball into traffic, where someone fails to pick it up low, and the ball is swept away by the opposition for a clean mark inside 50. Contested possession count in that passage is 1:1.
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Perhaps but the only time this year the result of our match hasn't gone to the winner of CP was the Freo game (134-146) so it is a pretty important KPI for us
 
utility said:
I don't think Goldy is in top form either.
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Around the ground perhaps but I think he's still doing quite well in the ruck and is also tackling very well
 

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