Chris Dawes

[Falchoon]

So apparently not dealing Ball has cost us Wellingham and Sam Reid they'll be accusing our recruiters of the Kennedy assassination next

Back on topic, Chris Dawes kicked 30 goals last year and took 111 marks, to gain a perspective Kosi kicked 48 goals and took 155 marks a year earlier.

Chris Dawes is an average footballer.

Put McEvoy and his vice like grip down there and recruit Seaby/Dawson Simpson at half the price or less

 

[Plugger35]

KissStephanie pls go, bad enough having to read your biased, uninformed rubbish on the main board let alone here.

As for Chris Dawes, I'd love us to get him. He would be the perfect fit for our forward line and is one of the few Collingwood players I don't mind, plus getting him would piss off Collingwood supporters no end. Wouldn't come cheap but we might have more room in our salary cap than Collingwood who must be close to the brink of their cap keeping the likes of Swan, Thomas, Cloke and Pendlebury happy.

No doubt GWS could probably offer him more than most other clubs but whether he wants to go there is anothing thing, he might prefer to stay in Melbourne.

 

[TRAWP]

I honestly think you guys can find much better quality player as a key forward than Dawes. He is nothing special in terms of skill and looks very decent in a team that has him earning the 3rd best defender every week.

Regardless of what KissStephen says Sam Reid is CHF and would not of been a valuable FF anyways.

 

[Paranoid]

So apparently not dealing Ball has cost us Wellingham and Sam Reid they'll be accusing our recruiters of the Kennedy assassination next

Back on topic, Chris Dawes kicked 30 goals last year and took 111 marks, to gain a perspective Kosi kicked 48 goals and took 155 marks a year earlier.

Chris Dawes is an average footballer.

Put McEvoy and his vice like grip down there and recruit Seaby/Dawson Simpson at half the price or less

I think Dawes is still improving, 2010 was his break-out year (he only played 4 and 6 games in his previous two seasons). The first time Kozi kicked 30+ goals was 2008.

 

[Plugger35]

I think Dawes is still improving, 2010 was his break-out year (he only played 4 and 6 games in his previous two seasons). The first time Kozi kicked 30+ goals was 2008.

I never really rated Dawes until last year but he has developed into a very handy forward. Looks like he has really bulked up in the last year or so, he is a massive unit now like Cloke.

Like I said I'd be keen to get him if he became available but wouldn't want us to break the bank to get him and force other players out or take pay cuts to free up salary cap space. He is a good player but he certainly isn't a superstar in the Franklin, Brown or Riewoldt class at this stage of his career.

 

[Spider Eater]

I think Dawes is still improving, 2010 was his break-out year (he only played 4 and 6 games in his previous two seasons). The first time Kozi kicked 30+ goals was 2008.

Kozi was in a forward line that contained the likes of Stewart Loewe, Barry Hall, Peter Everitt, Fraser Gehrig, Aaron Hammil and Nick Riewoldt up 'til '08.
I can't say Dawes 30+ goal seasons at full forward competing with only Cloke and in a team that has had more inside 50's over the last 2 seasons then any other is impressive or anything to gloat about... Milne kicks more goals then Dawes from half the opportunities!
Dawes would struggle to get a kick in our side with our limited amount of inside 50's... in fact he wouldn't look any good in anything other than a dominate side! So don't fall for the BS that every player in a winning team is a good player, remember what they said about Essendon in 2000... all champions apparently... in reality... many down hill skiers just like Slam'n Dawes!

Also... it's about time people realised the reality of the Luke Ball Scenario.
Saints didn't want to trade a player with inside knowledge on team structures/game plans to a fellow premiership contender... especially when these structures and game plans were such a weapon back in '09.
In fact... without the knowledge learnt from Luke Ball about zones, presses and team structures from inside the Saints camp it is arguable that the Pies would not have discovered the secret to playing the press which ultimately was the main player in them winning the flag.

 

[saber_32au]

I am soooo over this Luke Ball shit, yes he has turned into a good player and yes he left and won a flag. Well done Luke, congratulations, but please no more debate as who wanted what at draft time. The only thing that is clear is that we did not want Luke Ball and Luke did not want to stay- so he left.

As for the OP, I tink RL and the crew should have a massive crack at Dawes, he is exactly what we need. Throw some big coin at him, put together a decent trade option and get it done.

I too would love to never hear about Luke Ball and trade week ever again. There are some very bitter people here, who seriously need to grow up and move beyond this issue. Hell, we’re arguing about a player who left the club in 09!! I don’t care how, why or what we could have got for him when he left.

The fact is, he’s now gone, and finding success at another club, and never will play at our club again.

We need to focus on the present and future: Luke is in the past, please people get over it!!!

Now back on topic, I don’t believe Chris Dawes will leave Collingwood. Collingwood are on the up, and in the next 3-5 or so years could win a raft of premierships. Do you think Chris will give that up for a larger pay day?

In my opinion, he’d be mad to leave the club. Player play for the ultimate prize, the premiership. Yes, he’s already got one, but why settle for one when he can have more? That being said, GA Jrn left Geelong for the Gold Coast for a larger pay and with priemership medals round his neck, so who knows what he'll do...

I’m sure the Collingwood board will find a way to pay him extra and keep him at the club...

Look, until we fix our entry to the forward 50, we will struggle to kick goals, no matter who plays there.

We also have some untested players in the VFL who could potentially fill the position...

In my opinion, we shouldn’t be looking at another key forward until trade time, when we know who’s available for trade, and we know what we’re doing with the potential F50 playing VFL players...

 

[Strahany]

In fact... without the knowledge learnt from Luke Ball about zones, presses and team structures from inside the Saints camp it is arguable that the Pies would not have discovered the secret to playing the press which ultimately was the main player in them winning the flag.

Agree with that 100%. I've always said that Lyon was as much a premiership coach for Collingwood as Malthouse was, if not more.


Anyway, a few names have been floated around for the gaping hole in our forward line.

Taylor Walker would be a good player, however he is a more silky, skillful forward rather than the big bodied power forward that we so desperately need. Not to mention he's practically halfway to GWS already.

Mitch Clark has also been slated but I would prefer a pure forward, not a ruckman/forward and he is also on GWS' radar.

I would hate to see McEvoy go up forward any more than he currently is. I don't see why people are complaining about our ruck stocks, with McEvoy coming into his own. We've still got Stanley and Archer who can play in tandem wth McEvoy next year, assuming Gardiner retires. McEvoy will play the senior ruck role and Stanley/Archer will play similarly to how McEvoy has played for the last two years or so.

Now Dawes. A very viable option at 23 years old, and improving his game. He is that big player that we always hoped Koschitzke would be (which he only really managed in 2009). My only concern is the difficulty of getting him to the club, whether he will continue to improve or not, and the cost. Whilst we will have plenty of salary cap space, let's not forget about Free Agency. We can't shovel all the cash freed up next year with Riewoldt going on the veterans list and retirements on one player. We will need all the money we can to protect our young up and comers and the big one, Goddard.

This brings me to the elephant in the room. The player who suits our needs perfectly. A great player with a desire to play football at the top level. He won't need a big salary, nor will he require a high pick in the draft. He has baggage, but after St Kilda's tumultuous past 2 years, we have plenty of room in the closet for it. Yes, I'm talking about Fevola. He only has 2 or 3 years left in the tank, which is all we will need as our key players are in the 25-28 years old region. He will slot perfectly into full forward and I believe he will be able to have an impact immediately. If presented the opportunity to play AFL again, he will put his full effort into it - especially since he is friends with a lot of our players. The only downside is his past issues. But that's what they are, past issues. St Kilda's modern image can't get any worse with the alleged Milne/Montagna rape and subsequent alleged cover up, the Lovett rape case, the schoolgirl scandal and the New Zealand trip. Honestly, anything Fevola has done, or could do cannot do much damage at all to our already tarnished image.

Football clubs exist to win premierships, and a gutsy move to pick up Fevola could pay the ultimate dividend.

 

[Falchoon]

Now Dawes. A very viable option at 23 years old, and improving his game. He is that big player that we always hoped Koschitzke would be

Kosi kicked the same amount of goals as Dawes last year and kosi was apparently shit.

I must be missing something with Dawes because all I see is a very average footballer.

 

[St Bongo]

Dopey Dawes would have to be the most over rated player in the entire AFL competition. Furthermore, if he was to leave Collingwood, he would most likely become the most over paid player in the entire AFL (especially if he goes to GWS).

On the tiresome Luke Ball saga, there have been many so called "facts" pedalled by various parties with conflicting interests but the one real fact that has surfaced since the failed trade negotiations is the recent contract extension for Ball (reported by Bruce Matthews in the Herald Sun on April 06, 2011). Once signed up and with enough water under the bridge he happily signs a contract extension for a 3rd year at a rate well below what Collingwood proudly boasted he was worth in the glow of their successful drafting of him and well below what he got for the first two years. Considering he has performed beyond what most people expected in his first two years at the club, it seems strange he would take a pay cut. Disregard the Collingwood propaganda that he was helping the club retain their "kids" in the face of salary cap / expansion club pressure. If you believe that you are naive at best and stupid at worst. Someone with a cynical bent might think that his original draft nomination of his required remuneration was a smoke screen with the sole purpose of scaring off other clubs. That could be considered draft tampering. But I am sure, considering it was Collingwood involved and that the AFL are so transparent in everything they do, that it was thoroughly investigated and shown to be squeky clean.

 

[Plugger35]

This brings me to the elephant in the room. The player who suits our needs perfectly. A great player with a desire to play football at the top level. He won't need a big salary, nor will he require a high pick in the draft. He has baggage, but after St Kilda's tumultuous past 2 years, we have plenty of room in the closet for it. Yes, I'm talking about Fevola. He only has 2 or 3 years left in the tank, which is all we will need as our key players are in the 25-28 years old region. He will slot perfectly into full forward and I believe he will be able to have an impact immediately. If presented the opportunity to play AFL again, he will put his full effort into it - especially since he is friends with a lot of our players. The only downside is his past issues. But that's what they are, past issues. St Kilda's modern image can't get any worse with the alleged Milne/Montagna rape and subsequent alleged cover up, the Lovett rape case, the schoolgirl scandal and the New Zealand trip. Honestly, anything Fevola has done, or could do cannot do much damage at all to our already tarnished image.

Football clubs exist to win premierships, and a gutsy move to pick up Fevola could pay the ultimate dividend.

Yeah I've mentioned here before that I wouldn't be opposed to getting Fevola if he was on a base pay one year contract like Cousins was at Richmond and he had shown that he is back on the rails with his personal life.

He is still capable of being a very good full forward for at least a couple more years and could really boost our short term premiership chances. Obviously there's a risk he may stuff up again but if he is on a base pay one year contract it won't cost us much even if we had to axe him.

Apparently Fev is pretty good mates with a few Saints players and also barracked for St Kilda as a kid which may help if we picked him up. Wouldn't be surprised if his name had been floated at the club given his friendship with a few of our players.

 

[saber_32au]

Hmm, maybe add a clause to Fevs contract, whereby if he screws up, he will be instantly thrown out of the club, with no recourse to pay the remaining money owed to him???

The fev option still doesn’t solve our backup ruck problem though...

 

[Strahany]

Kosi kicked the same amount of goals as Dawes last year and kosi was apparently shit.

I must be missing something with Dawes because all I see is a very average footballer.

You're exactly right, Dawes is an average footballer. But I believe that St Kilda Dawes would be better than Collingwood Dawes. He would get better share of the forward 50, with Riewoldt playing his natural game and will demand a decent defender. So not only should Dawes play better at St Kilda, but he will allow our existing forwards to play better. Or at least we hope so.

 

[krusden]

This brings me to the elephant in the room. The player who suits our needs perfectly. A great player with a desire to play football at the top level. He won't need a big salary, nor will he require a high pick in the draft. He has baggage, but after St Kilda's tumultuous past 2 years, we have plenty of room in the closet for it. Yes, I'm talking about Fevola. He only has 2 or 3 years left in the tank, which is all we will need as our key players are in the 25-28 years old region. He will slot perfectly into full forward and I believe he will be able to have an impact immediately. If presented the opportunity to play AFL again, he will put his full effort into it - especially since he is friends with a lot of our players. The only downside is his past issues. But that's what they are, past issues. St Kilda's modern image can't get any worse with the alleged Milne/Montagna rape and subsequent alleged cover up, the Lovett rape case, the schoolgirl scandal and the New Zealand trip. Honestly, anything Fevola has done, or could do cannot do much damage at all to our already tarnished image.

Football clubs exist to win premierships, and a gutsy move to pick up Fevola could pay the ultimate dividend.

with the stuff ups that fev is famous for I am 100% sure he'd find another way to tarnish our image.

Fev, like L*** B***, is the past. his time has been and gone. Fev is not the future of any team. neither is constantly going over why LB left. fact is, he did, and he's just another Filth player whether his "heart" is still at the club like his dad says or any other rot. fact is, fev would be a dodgy pick up.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

What's the point? He'll just end up on the half back flank.

 

[L_W_P]

To answer an earlier query:

I think the money from Blake, Gardiner and possibly Hayes retiring would be used to shore up the likes of BJ, Dal, Dawson, Armo who are all out of contract in the next 12 months and be signed ASAP.

Edited to add: I wouldn't be against picking Fev up on a 'Cousins' deal but only if Lenny goes on. If he retires then I think we rebuild our midfield and go again in 4-5 years with the new breed.

 

[Squizz]

I think the money from Blake, Gardiner and possibly Hayes retiring would be used to shore up the likes of BJ, Dal, Dawson, Armo who are all out of contract in the next 12 months and be signed ASAP.

Hayes retiring

We have numerous guys who can have 20-50% of their salary excluded from the cap soon as a veteran, so there is ample room to move.

Dal signed to 2013. Think Zac too (not 100% but pretty sure).

Armo and Gilbo will be difficult signings this year, and we'll have to pay up for BJ next year (although he'll qualify for veteran status by the back end of his contract).

 

[StFly]

Would rather attempt a play at someone like Roughead instead if the attempt is to get pre-existing talent to make an immediately impact up forward, chiefly on the basis that the Hawks have seemed to have found some forwards post Roughie so may consider a trade scenario given the achilles injury also.

Dawes really has no upside, they can keep him for all I care.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

I'd rather throw $450k at Vardy...gonna be a star that boy!!

 

[Zagg]

Dawes is a big threat because Cloke takes a lot of the opposition's attention away from him. I'm not sure how he'd go in a lesser side when the ball wasn't being pumped forward half as often. However he is a good kick for goal, which would be handy.

Anyway, he won't leave Collingwood and if he does he'll want more than we can (or should) reasonably be able to offer him.

 

[CHBench]

Cmon, lets be honest here, the guy would be an idiot to leave Collingwood for anywhere not called GWS or GC. And even then..

Save the picks, save the money.

 

[forwardflanker]

Dawes is a big threat because Cloke takes a lot of the opposition's attention away from him. I'm not sure how he'd go in a lesser side when the ball wasn't being pumped forward half as often. However he is a good kick for goal, which would be handy.

Anyway, he won't leave Collingwood and if he does he'll want more than we can (or should) reasonably be able to offer him.

Actually I think its the opposite, Dawes takes a load of pressure of Cloke cause even if he doesnt do much he still needs to have a very strong defender + makes it us a little less predictable. Geelong and St Kilda owned us when we had Cloke and Jack Anthony as our forwards; bring Dawes in and you now have 2 big bodies which stretches the defence way more.

FWIW, I think its easy to miss out on Dawes biggest strengths:
a) he is a beautiful kick at goal for such a big guy.
b) he has enormous stamina for his size, & a great attitude - probably one of the hardest workers off the ball in our side.

His overhead marking and other flashier skills need a bit of touching up but he has only played 50 games or so, so I'd expect his upside given that to be pretty big.

Would be good guy to go after imo, seems to polarize a lot of peoples opinions though.

 

[saber_32au]

Actually I think its the opposite, Dawes takes a load of pressure of Cloke cause even if he doesnt do much he still needs to have a very strong defender + makes it us a little less predictable. Geelong and St Kilda owned us when we had Cloke and Jack Anthony as our forwards; bring Dawes in and you now have 2 big bodies which stretches the defence way more.

FWIW, I think its easy to miss out on Dawes biggest strengths:
a) he is a beautiful kick at goal for such a big guy.
b) he has enormous stamina for his size, & a great attitude - probably one of the hardest workers off the ball in our side.

+1 to everything said above.

By just having Dawes in the Collingwood team, he instantly demands the second best tall defender, which will stretch a defense far more then have the best tall defender go to Cloke, and the second best defender act as the 3rd man in marking contests...

I'm hoping on Sunday that Lynch will provide the second tall marking forward option we desperately need! Keep Gilbert in defense were he plays his best footy!!!

 

[Falchoon]

another player to look at would be Bellchambers, he's not getting a game because Ryder effectively sooks if played in one position.

 

[MCG-Unit]

another player to look at would be Bellchambers, he's not getting a game because Ryder effectively sooks if played in one position.

Bellchambers has signed a new 2 year contract I'm quite sure