Chris Judd (Vs Gary Ablett).

[Fervy]

Continuing this from the votes for the St Kilda game thread...

My question was regarding whether Carlton fans realise that his disposal is not up to scratch. He was never elite by foot but i reckon his skill level has dropped even further in the last 2 years. I was wondering what Carlton fans views where regarding this?

Chris Judd's disposal is suspect. I've written as such that I realize that his disposal often lets him down. However, he is still one of the most damaging players in the game.

The way that he takes the bull by the horns and the way in which he gets possesion of the football sets an example to all of his team-mates.

He doesn't need thirty five possessions for it to be considered a good game, unlike Geelong's Brownlow medallist. Truth be known, even Thompson realizes that Ablett racks up a boat load of soft possessions week in week out.

Judd may have 10 or so less possessions but his impact on the game of football is so much greater than Ablett's, who if it weren't for the likes of Bartel, Ling, Chapman and Selwood would be viewed as nothing more than another ball loving fairy.

The media and fans of teams have a tendency to take a look towards the statistics and base that as their sole judgment on who has played well.

In my opinion, Bartel and Chapman won the Grand Final for you last year. Bartel was on fire early in the game and was winning his own possession. However, he was asked to move into a tagging role and shut down his opponent while winning the ball himself (though not at the level that he had accumulated them earlier in the game) and Chapman led the goal kicking.

The difference between Chris Judd and Gary Ablett is leaps and bounds. Geelong have proven that they can win without Ablett. They have also proven that they can lose and not truly be in a game, as was the case in round five, when Ablett is supposively the best player on the ground, *cough* gets thirtyfive plus meaningless possessions and has limited impact on the game (as noted by his coach).

The difference between Carlton with and without Chris Judd is leaps and bounds. Watch Carlton Vs Essendon. No Judd, no Carlton. He comes back and we go on to win three of four. Sure, Adelaide wasn't the 'guaranteed loss' most people would have marked down at the start of the season but we beat the two Grand Finalists of a year ago sandwiched between a poor performance against a team that is playing the best football in the AFL by a fair margin (despite Fremantle possessing the same record) and have won three consecutive games by near 10 goal margins.

In essence, they're two completely different players. However successful Geelong has been these past few years little of it on the big stage can attributed to Ablett. What success Carlton has had can be directly attributed to Judd's leadership.

 

[Greg Brady]

They are the two hardest players to tackle and bring down in the game and they are the two best players in the game.

Congrats on your triumph over evil last night. St. Kilda and Ross Lyon should be ashamed of the way they try and play football.

gb

 

[mdc]

The difference between Chris Judd and Gary Ablett is leaps and bounds. Geelong have proven that they can win without Ablett. They have also proven that they can lose and not truly be in a game, as was the case in round five, when Ablett is supposively the best player on the ground, *cough* gets thirtyfive plus meaningless possessions and has limited impact on the game (as noted by his coach).

Very strange statement, considering that in Round 6 Judd was clearly BOG and you still got done by 50+.

 

[Ryan Dixon Webb]

daft thread.

 

[Go_Blues!]

GAJ and Judd are the best two mids going around. To say GAJ gets soft posessions is a bit harsh, the reason why they are both so hard to tag is because they both win their own ball and they are both impossible to tackle.

Judd carries the ball more and breaks the lines, GAJ gets more ball, has better disposal
and is a much better shot at goal

While it is debateable who has the greater impact on a game, most neutral people would say, on pure footbAll terms, GAJ is ahead

 

[Quazza]

I think when it comes to who's the most important player to their side's success, Riewoldt and Judd are on their own level.They are vital and this has, and is, being proven every week


That though, says a lot about Geelong's over all strength. They'd still be a fantastic side without Ablett, but no doubt are better with him. The whole notion that Ablett's possesions don't hurt you, is ridiculous imo.

 

[The Exorcist]

GA is certainly a better kick, i rate Juddy ahead in close and breaking the stoppages


But at day's end comparing the two is too difficult - GA probably plays in a team with better players around him, but who's to say Judd would play better than GA in GA's team and vice virsa


At day's end, their both great players and great to watch

 

[ESKIE]

This is stoooopid

 

[Bluebear]

The difference between Chris Judd and Gary Ablett is leaps and bounds. Geelong have proven that they can win without Ablett. They have also proven that they can lose and not truly be in a game, as was the case in round five, when Ablett is supposively the best player on the ground, *cough* gets thirtyfive plus meaningless possessions and has limited impact on the game (as noted by his coach).

Last week Judd was near BOG vs Pies.

When we played the Cats.......if you call ripping the ball out of packs and being a lone hand in the Cats midifield meaningless.......then you are an idiot.

No offence.

 

[Cruiser23]

They are both a step ahead of any other midfielder/player in the league, let's just leave it at that.

 

[Alpha1]

Judd and Ablett are miles ahead of anyone at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if they tie for this years Brownlow as well. They both get a lot of the hard ball and are the two most influental players for their respective teams.

 

[PINNACLE HEALTH]

I think when it comes to who's the most important player to their side's success, Riewoldt and Judd are on their own level.They are vital and this has, and is, being proven every week


i would say Pavlich is more important to Freo's success than Riewolt and Judd infact Pav is plays like those put together!

 

[marcjudd]

Yeah 20 contested possies against sydney is soft
Season high btw i think

I am a carlton man but Ga is a bit better than the Juddstar
Mainly his disposal

 

[thylacine60]

They are the two hardest players to tackle and bring down in the game and they are the two best players in the game.

Congrats on your triumph over evil last night. St. Kilda and Ross Lyon should be ashamed of the way they try and play football.

gb

Yeah, baby!

 

[Fervy]

Last week Judd was near BOG vs Pies.

When we played the Cats.......if you call ripping the ball out of packs and being a lone hand in the Cats midifield meaningless.......then you are an idiot.

No offence.

No, I agree with what Thompson said about Juniors game against us. He was absolutely spot on. May have sounded critical to the love affair that the media has with him but spot on.

I'm not suggesting that Ablett isn't a great player, he is. I still believe that with Judd's class and his impact on his team he is in a league above everyone save Riewoldt and Pavlich.

 

[viking12]

judd is ahead of ablett.

judd's disposels is more effective that ablett. whether abletts gets 40 possessions and judd getts 30 possessions. he doe smore damage to all teams than ablett which is hard to stop him.

judd actually breaks the game apart and works hard for all his possessions whereas ablett gets probably half his possessions cheap. judd brings the game to a whole new level. judd was a star at the eagles when he had an awsome midfield around him, same with ablett at the cats. but judd is continuing that with carlton which probably ablett would struggle if he was playing for someone else

also judd won his brownlow when he was 20, which says alot

 

[Fervy]

judd was a star at the eagles when he had an awsome midfield around him, same with ablett at the cats. but judd is continuing that with carlton which probably ablett would struggle if he was playing for someone else.

I don't necessarily agree that Ablett would struggle if he were to join the Gold Coast - a team that I would anticipate would be poor to start off with.

However, he is helped immensely by having the best #2+ midfield in the AFL around him - most of which are hardened bodies at the peaks of their respective careers.

I could only imagine how much improved Judd's play would be if he had the same midfield. Not to suggest that the Carlton midfield is bad by any means but Geelong's has been a class that is only matched by the all-time great midfields in league history.

 

[Bluebear]

I could only imagine how much improved Judd's play would be if he had the same midfield. Not to suggest that the Carlton midfield is bad by any means but Geelong's has been a class that is only matched by the all-time great midfields in league history.

I wait with interest what is thought of Joel Selwood when the likes of Bartel, Chapman, Corey and Ablett have moved on or lost their influence.

 

[Fervy]

What do I think of Joel Selwood?

Have you read the stories of what he did in the Cats locker room in his first season as an AFL player? Have you heard the stories of his leadership, courage and bravery?

As much as the captaincy really did have to go to Cameron Ling, I am a little surprised that they didn't award Selwood with it. He's going to make an outstanding captain in a few years. Already he is a great leader.

He's one of my favorite players in the AFL. He reminds a lot of Chris Judd, to be honest.

Perhaps I am harsh on Ablett, but no where did I say that he wasn't a great player - he is - but there are three, perhaps four Geelong players that I would take in my Carlton side ahead of Ablett Jr.

I believe that we're a Bartel, Selwood or Chapman away from a premiership team more than we are an Ablett. Does that mean that those three are better individual players than Ablett? No. Just that what they bring is more conductive to a premiership than Ablett's skill set and that we already have our share of Ablett style players.

 

[Sin City]

Abletts main strengths are endurance and evading tackles. Can't see why he'd be any worse at that if he was at the Gold Coast.

 

[Fervy]

I agree with you Sin... He wouldn't particularly be any worse.

The only two impacts I could envision for him would be;

A) The warmer climate tends to tire you out quicker. However, he could become more conditioned to it the further he stayed up there so that would be minimal.
B) More pressure because he likely wouldn't have as many other top line midfielders around him to protect him as he does now. It's a bigger problem, but it's still relatively minor.

He'd be Gaz Jr wherever he played.