Society/Culture Christchurch Mosque mass shooting

[HurleyHepsHird]

It's not really "the media" though. This stuff was all over Twitter within minutes.

Sure, but I think it's become popular to underestimate how much traditional media still shapes narratives.

I'm also not suggesting censorship, just that coverage should be skewed towards the victims and a context given that centres the attacker, their motivations etc. around that. Underground is a good book, and really a powerful argument for pacifism, with some pointed media criticism to begin with. Worth the read, but genuinely tragic.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

What do you mean?

Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were two loners; they barely even socialised with other people. Isn't the 'trenchcoat mafia' just a phrase basically invented by the 1990s US press to get some sort of identity going?

Four loners...woe is me.

 

[Poor Form]

No.

He said his ideology is the the same as so many posters on here. And he's 100% right.

Yeah and he also breaths oxygen and drinks water, so you are basically him right? Also reading he was an environmentalist(maybe?) guess we need more climate deniers to stop this. Get off your high horse the guy was a psychopath not reflective of anyone but the tiniest minority of dickheads.

No one is advocating death and no one is celebrating this here, except maybe you guys since you got a new stick to beat us with.

 

[Mofra]

Probably had no offline friends who knew anything about it. But yeah the cops should have seen this s**t he was posting weapons and ammo with names of mass shooters on them surely that's gotta get the noggin joggin

4Chan posts (threads now locked) suggest he was a well known, prolific white nationalist poster on there.
8Chan (something I didn't even know existed until today) as well.

I can't vouch for NZ but Australian agencies do have at least some online monitoring activity and we've had a myriad of legislation passed in the past few years that try to increase Australian agency reach (TSSR, etc).

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Actually it is the fault of the white guy in the latter case, but it poses the question: can people from different cultures live together amicably?

It would be good if Islam could reign things in, but the far right have no ******* solutions for that. Other than condemning people to second class citizens.

 

[Ron The Bear]

No it sounds like the delusional yammerings of a broken brained boomer.

You don't believe a group that kills over cartoons, would commit a tit-for-tat over the murder of fellow Muslims? Carry on then.

 

[ep2018]

Sad for all involved. Unlike church shootings in the states in recent years which lead to a lot of sarcastic social media 'where was god?' comments, I'm pleased that the comments on this attack have been respectable and dignified, for the most part.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

I could understand doing that if the right wing believe that the left are bringing everyone together in a group hug regardless of culture, either side could see the other as the fox and their own as the hens.

There isn't a justification for this violence against innocents, the rationale is important to understand.

I mean, his comments are an example of the exact paranoia that fuels rightwing extremists. Suggesting they are the victims, are constantly under attack, should prepare for retaliation etc.

Literally the same pathology.

 

[Mofra]

It's the side effect of the 'trolling' culture of the internet. Nine times out of ten everyone is just going for extreme shock value chuckles, the more genuine it appears the more humorous it is to people.

Add to that the anonymity, and even if law enforcement can circumvent that, the disconnected nature of the internet is another hurdle for law enforcement which has jurisdiction issues. If the FBI picked this up, I assume they can't burst down this guys door and take him into custody, and the bureaucracy which is probably associated with tipping New Zealand authorities off is just burning time which increases the likelihood of an attack. And that's only if they manage to pick up on the warning signs, and then evaluate it as a legitimate threat and not noise.

The reach of the internet has eclipsed societies grasp. I think action is needed, but I'm not confident in policy makers having the expertise to take helpful action for years to come.

I have a little exposure to the field, but only the Australian context.
If the guy was posting from Australia I can't be certain anything would be different but there is a reasonable chance he would have been spotted and at the very least monitored. We've actually apprehended a number of people in this manner.

Australian authorities have the ability to detain without charge for certain activities for certain lengths of time, I have no idea if NZ have similar laws but I'm guessing their boffins would already be drafting something up.

 

[its free real estate]

It would be good if Islam could reign things in, but the far right have no ******* solutions for that. Other than condemning people to second class citizens.

Neither can be reigned in. This stuff is unbounded.

 

[Malifice]

Its ironic in light of the fact most Muslims disavow Islamic terrorism as not being representative of their religion, that many right wingers seem to be disavowing this bloke as 'not being one of them' either.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Yeah and he also breaths oxygen and drinks water, so you are basically him right? Also reading he was an environmentalist(maybe?) guess we need more climate deniers to stop this. Get off your high horse the guy was a psychopath not reflective of anyone but the tiniest minority of dickheads.

No one is advocating death and no one is celebrating this here, except maybe you guys since you got a new stick to beat us with.

He was a white nationalist who spoke about the things that are brought up every day on this ******* forum.

The dog campaigner in your avatar made this s**t acceptable. So stop playing victim.

 

[Mofra]

I mean, his comments are the exact paranoia that fuels rightwing extremists. Suggesting they are the victims, are constantly under attack, should prepare for retaliation etc.

Literally the same pathology as these extremists.

Given he talks about in the past being a communist, then a libertarian, he seems like the unhinged type to latch onto an ideology and unfortunately he found a violent, white nationalist one.

 

[Mofra]

Neither can be reigned in. This stuff is unbounded.

I honestly believe it can be at least mitigated and there are whole fields of 'radicalisation' studies that focus on this.

Remove the possibility altogether? No-one will ever be able to say that with certainty.

 

[its free real estate]

The dog campaigner in your avatar made this s**t acceptable. So stop playing victim.

What a leap! It's like Anders Breivik never existed.

 

[its free real estate]

I honestly believe it can be at least mitigated and there are whole fields of 'radicalisation' studies that focus on this.

Remove the possibility altogether? No-one will ever be able to say that with certainty.

These fields have been in existence for around 20 years - are they succeeding?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

What a leap! It's like Anders Breivik never existed.

No, I’m referring to the ideology of white nationalism.

 

[caaarnthetiges]

Its ironic in light of the fact most Muslims disavow Islamic terrorism as not being representative of their religion, that many right wingers seem to be disavowing this bloke as 'not being one of them' either.

Also odd that Procrasrinator hanst been on here yet to decry this as a false flag operation conducted by the Disney corporation on behalf of 'international banking cabals'.

You’re revelling in the face of this horrific act because you have more ammunition to take pot shots at those who you politically disagree with. You are one sad individual and it’s concerning that you have been trusted to moderate this forum.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

You don't believe a group that kills over cartoons, would commit a tit-for-tat over the murder of fellow Muslims? Carry on then.

Now it's about the Muslims being a threat? What the **** is wrong with you.

You: *comes into thread about rightwing paranoiac who just mass murdered Muslims*

You also: "Everybody, what we really should be worried about is violent retaliation by the Muslim population".

 

[iluvparis]

You don't believe a group that kills over cartoons, would commit a tit-for-tat over the murder of fellow Muslims? Carry on then.

And there it is.....

 

[Malifice]

You’re revelling in the face of this horrific act because you have more ammunition to take pot shots at those who you politically disagree with. You are one sad individual and it’s concerning that you have been trusted to moderate this forum.

No, I'm not revelling in it.

And bye.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Its ironic in light of the fact most Muslims disavow Islamic terrorism as not being representative of their religion, that many right wingers seem to be disavowing this bloke as 'not being one of them' either.

Also odd that Procrasrinator hanst been on here yet to decry this as a false flag operation conducted by the Disney corporation on behalf of 'international banking cabals'.

Rightwing terror, the leading cause of terror in the US post 9/11 (and before might I add).

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

And there it is.....

Honestly, when people prove you this right that quickly, I don't think it's satisfying. More concerning.

 

[Shadow89]

Yeah and he also breaths oxygen and drinks water, so you are basically him right? Also reading he was an environmentalist(maybe?) guess we need more climate deniers to stop this. Get off your high horse the guy was a psychopath not reflective of anyone but the tiniest minority of dickheads.

No one is advocating death and no one is celebrating this here, except maybe you guys since you got a new stick to beat us with.

Actually, Trump posted this DURING the shooting - www.breitbartnews.com

Breitbart is a heavily alt-right site, and the commentary on it right now is reprehensible. There is mass praise for the shooter and absolutely no empathy or sympathy for the victims. By endorsing or supporting Trump as your avatar seems to suggest, then you're endorsing his views. Given that his views directly support alt-right nationalists who support the killing of innocents, then by extension, you are advocating/supporting death.

The guy is reflective of a hateful movement spurred by alt-right backwards morons like those who inspired Brexit, those who quote the 'deep state' and those who see anyone else that's not white as 'invaders.' If you're with him and you support his views, then you're no better.

 

[Mofra]

These fields have been in existence for around 20 years - are they succeeding?

It's hard to tell. How much worse would things be without those programs? I'm not sure it's possible to measure with any certainty. We have anecdotes but 'the plural of anecdote is not data'.