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The real scumbags are the ones that prey on the families of missing people and murder victims, telling them they can find their loved ones - for a fee.

One of the fathers of the girls from the Claremont killings said he was harassed for years by them.
 
Illinois Nazi said:
The real scumbags are the ones that prey on the families of missing people and murder victims, telling them they can find their loved ones - for a fee.

One of the fathers of the girls from the Claremont killings said he was harassed for years by them.
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Howabout the Kiwi TV show Sensing Murder? I don't think that's ever lead to anything, also think there's a clip on youtube of some other show criticising it for those interested.
 
Caesar said:
I have wasted plenty of money on even more frivolous pursuits.

So have you, I'm sure. You're just afflicted with a lack of self awareness.
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The crime lies not in wasting money, but in obtaining money by false pretences. I thought it unlikely you would dismiss such an offence as harmless.
 
I'm obviously not in favour of people intentionally defrauding the credulous. But I'm just talking from the perspective of the customer. If they derive worthwhile satisfaction from the pursuit, who am I to say they've wasted their money?
 
Caesar said:
I'm obviously not in favour of people intentionally defrauding the credulous. But I'm just talking from the perspective of the customer. If they derive worthwhile satisfaction from the pursuit, who am I to say they've wasted their money?
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The active beneficiary in this transaction is the one doing the thieving.
If the transaction is based on a lie it is valueless, except for the crook. That the credulous deserve everything they get seems to be a position you are able to defend.
 
Depends on whether you consider the value of truth to be absolute, doesn't it?

Personally, whilst I value the truth highly, I don't think delusion is always completely devoid of worth. Plenty of people live their whole lives being deluded about one thing or the other and it seems to only add to the satisfaction they gain from existence.
 
GG said:
The interesting thing about this topic btw is a deeper topic lurking beneath the surface...

1. Do we think it possible/plausible that futures can be read?
2. If so, then what's all this about free will and future is what you make of it.

Don't just think about Nostradamus etc. Think more about things like...an ordinary person has a bad dream that their plane they're taking is going to crash, they cancel their flight, it crashes. Or others who have similar 'visions' (tho they're not taking the plane), and they tell others who are to cancel, they cancel or don't, and the event happens. Also, I have some of my own eerie ones....like having 'visions' of exact scores in grand finals or super bowls, or MVPs or Norm Smith medalists, and other similar sporting-related things. Have had many of them that it's beyond coincidence. Main point being...i've had first-hand experience/verification, so i believe it's possible that futures can be read, therefore, i have my own analysis of the whole "free will" etc thing, which i wont go into, to avoid side-tracking this topic.
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I think we hear about the stories that pan out that way and obviously don't hear for the other 99% that don't.
Having said that we're still in an embryonic state of understanding ourselves and everything around us, so everything should still be considered possible, at the least.

I knew a lady that had a remarkable sense with birth-dates and numbers.
I hadn't even met her yet as she was a friend of my partner at the time. I was in Brisbane at the time and she wanted to have a chat to me.
She asked me to give her the birth-date of anyone I liked and I gave her the birthday of my business partner.
She hardly paused for a breath before she described his character and what he'd do in certain situations down to a tee.
Absolutely no scope for any ambiguity as she couldn't have described him better had have she been his mother or wife.

Got to know the lady eventually but just a little too spooky for me with her talk of alien beings around us, with her telling me who was and who wasn't.
Her spotting of UFO's (?) was also quite incredible. We'd walk out onto the balcony and she'd just spot moving lights everywhere whereas if I looked for them, I wouldn't find one a night.
 

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Caesar said:
Depends on whether you consider the value of truth to be absolute, doesn't it?

Personally, whilst I value the truth highly, I don't think delusion is always completely devoid of worth. Plenty of people live their whole lives being deluded about one thing or the other and it seems to only add to the satisfaction they gain from existence.
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Yuck. Sooner be a depressed realist than to be a happy delusional.
 
From what I have seen on tv and shit, they seem to tell you more about what you've already done, than what your going to do? Gee thanks for telling me everything I already know, here's $100.
 
Caesar said:
That's what everyone says. But if you're deluded you don't know you're deluded so you're a realist from your own perspective.
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That may be somewhat different but this world is full of people that hang onto ideals that they don't even believe in.

They're just too scared not to believe in them.
 
Caesar said:
Not sure I follow. They don't believe in it, but they're too scared not to believe in it?
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i.e.

I'll go to church, pray and do all the things to be seen to be a devout Christian/Muslim/Jew etc.
I just hope that I'm never put on a lie-detecter though.

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With regard to admission by the government of its use of remote viewers under operational conditions, officials have on occasion been relatively forthcoming. President Carter, in a speech to college students in Atlanta in September 1995, is quoted by Reuters as saying that during his administration a plane went down in Zaire, and a meticulous sweep of the African terrain by American spy satellites failed to locate any sign of the wreckage. It was then "without my knowledge" that the head of the CIA (Adm. Stansfield Turner) turned to a woman reputed to have psychic powers. As told by Carter, "she gave some latitude and longitude figures. We focused our satellite cameras on that point and the plane was there." Independently, Turner himself also has admitted the Agency's use of a remote viewer (in this case, Pat Price).9 And recently, in a segment taped for the British television series Equinox [22], Maj. Gen. Ed Thompson, Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, U.S. Army (1977-1981), volunteered "I had one or more briefings by SRI and was impressed.... The decision I made was to set up a small, in-house, low-cost effort in remote viewing....
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http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/CIA-InitiatedRV.html

Food for thought...
 

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